OT J. Werth Reckless Speeding, to Spend A Bit of Time in Jail....!

[Mattingly23NY]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...letter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mlb

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It's hard to imagine the team wouldn't discipline Werth in some manner given the nature of his transgressions and his status as a role model.

You know I cannot recall an Era when so many athletes, MLB, NFL, and NCAA, as well as NBA, with so may DUIs, DWI, possession of a controlled substance illegally, reckless driving with a loaded gun in the glove box. or just simply Athletes buying Super Cars, that can't go less than 120 mph. Wife beating et al. (altho' I believe Adrian Pederson got the raw end of a deal), with the Rice's incident/precedent just prior.

Had Pederson been in the South, the Deputy would of pulled the switch off the tree himself, and said: "looks like your kid needs to be taken back behind the barn". Good old Southern Style Family Values.

 

[Rick2583]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...letter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mlb

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It's hard to imagine the team wouldn't discipline Werth in some manner given the nature of his transgressions and his status as a role model.

You know I cannot recall an Era when so many athletes, MLB, NFL, and NCAA, as well as NBA, with so may DUIs, DWI, possession of a controlled substance illegally, reckless driving with a loaded gun in the glove box. or just simply Athletes buying Super Cars, that can't go less than 120 mph. Wife beating et al. (altho' I believe Adrian Pederson got the raw end of a deal), with the Rice's incident/precedent just prior.

Had Pederson been in the South, the Deputy would of pulled the switch off the tree himself, and said: "looks like your kid needs to be taken back behind the barn". Good old Southern Style Family Values.

Maybe the recklessness is attributed to all the money these guys get. Who knows?

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Maybe the recklessness is attributed to all the money these guys get. Who knows?

I have to agree, as big contracts enable guys like Verlander to drive a Lambo, Puig a Ferrari, et al....

Money indeed to often IS the root of all evil, in many cases.

 

[totus44]

Don't blame the money, blame the idiot making poor choices because they are (1) not intelligent and (2) lack self discipline. These guys are just morally bankrupt at worst or severely flawed at best. Money or not they would be finding trouble....the money means you just hear about it.

 

[Rick2583]

Don't blame the money, blame the idiot making poor choices because they are (1) not intelligent and (2) lack self discipline. These guys are just morally bankrupt at worst or severely flawed at best. Money or not they would be finding trouble....the money means you just hear about it.

I know this is not permitted but I have to disagree with you here Tom, without the big money one would not be able to afford the 220 MPH Ferrari's or the 2-300.00 a day drug habits.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Don't blame the money, blame the idiot making poor choices because they are (1) not intelligent and (2) lack self discipline. These guys are just morally bankrupt at worst or severely flawed at best. Money or not they would be finding trouble....the money means you just hear about it.

Of course the Money enables athletes to buy Super Cars. I've yet to see very few White Collar Workers drive a true Super Car, (Lambo, McLaren, Ferrari, Viper, Turbo Carreras, with BMW, coming out with a Super Car from Hell), tho' dollar for dollar IMO, the Vette is the Best Car for the Money.

However if it weren't about the money, I've never known anyone athlete or otherwise, get a speeding ticket in a Volkswagen, or other modern day cars, (other than most of those noted, as well as the Taurus SHO Turbo, the Selanne and other Epic Hi-Performance Mustangs, and a few others.....

what brings everything to one's attention is not just the atrocity of the DUI, or reckless driving, not the money enabling them to buy and drive Super Cars. It's the fact, the News will always have Athletes lives under a Heat Interrogation lamp. IMO, the money helps, but the stature of Athletes as Role Models, who failed & created just the opposite, is the root cause. Money helps, but being under a Microscope as a Role Model is the ticket that brings their mis-deeds to the News...

 

[Rick2583]

Money + stupidity never = anything good.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Money + stupidity never = anything good.

Yep....!

How much snow overall did you get Rick?

 

[Rick2583]

Yep....!

How much snow overall did you get Rick?

I'd have to say 7 maybe 8 inches TOPS!

And yes Tom, I'm talking about snow.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Nothing close then to what was Forecast?

Watching the news a day or 2 prior to its arrival, I swear those Weather Anchors, swore this would be the Armaggedon of all past snow storms, was supposed to set all kind of records.

Here it snows only about every 4th year, and the Weathermen never ever see snow coming. Hell, out here if you simply believe the opposite of what Weathermen say, your better off, than believing a damn word they say....!

 

[Rick2583]

Nothing close then to what was Forecast?

Watching the news a day or 2 prior to its arrival, I swear those Weather Anchors, swore this would be the Armaggedon of all past snow storms, was supposed to set all kind of records.

Here it snows only about every 4th year, and the Weathermen never ever see snow coming. Hell, out here if you simply believe the opposite of what Weathermen say, your better off, than believing a damn word they say....!

Like I've said Rob, only baseball players & weathermen can be wrong 70% of the time & still get paid the big bucks.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

It's mind boggling how there's a 2nd set of rules, and Hypocrisy for one set of social groups, and the other with a helluva lot of money......

A disparity, this is NOT Justice......its Capitalism at its worst....!

 

[totus44]

I know this is not permitted but I have to disagree with you here Tom, without the big money one would not be able to afford the 220 MPH Ferrari's or the 2-300.00 a day drug habits.

You don't need a Ferrari....lots of affordable cars that blast 100+ mph over speed limits Rick. And I've known too many people that didn't have the cash, but still had the expensive drug habits. Don't blame inanimate objects.....blame the human being.

You are welcome to disagree with me Rick. Just be open to admitting that your point of view needs to evolve. I don't disagree that money does create opportunities, but lots (most) of rich people aren't doing these destructive acts. That's why I say to place the blame squarely on the individual committing those acts.

 

[totus44]

It's mind boggling how there's a 2nd set of rules, and Hypocrisy for one set of social groups, and the other with a helluva lot of money......

A disparity, this is NOT Justice......its Capitalism at its worst....!

Capitalism is an expression of the value of personal freedom....it has no "worst". Social justice is a straw man Matt's. There will always be people that sacrifice their freedoms in trade for personal advantage over others. Power is a product of consent, not leveraged...that second set of rules are Tyranny my friend. That's the goal of social justice...to disguise tyranny as capitalism.

 

[Rick2583]

Capitalism is an expression of the value of personal freedom....it has no "worst". Social justice is a straw man Matt's. There will always be people that sacrifice their freedoms in trade for personal advantage over others. Power is a product of consent, not leveraged...that second set of rules are Tyranny my friend. That's the goal of social justice...to disguise tyranny as capitalism.

Tom, all due respect you're the only one i know that can turn "Cat in the hat" into "War & peace"

Much of the money problems with more so the younger athletes is a case of to much to soon. which Is the point of my equation in post #6

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Capitalism is an expression of the value of personal freedom....it has no "worst". Social justice is a straw man Matt's. There will always be people that sacrifice their freedoms in trade for personal advantage over others. Power is a product of consent, not leveraged...that second set of rules are Tyranny my friend. That's the goal of social justice...to disguise tyranny as capitalism.

I actually have no problem with anything you said Tom, and rather agree with you. The one tyranny debacle, that pisses me off, is a case my Sister is involved in right now. SlumLord Negligence suit, reported to the City Health and Safety Dept. Upon reporting over 28 serious House Defects, which my sis has reported to those Slumlords, went with no maintenance, fell upon deaf ears, and was harassed for asking for anything to get fixed. She had NO Heater for 7 years, black mold, you name it. So in retaliation, (which is illegal and the basis of her retaliation case, but in DEFENSE, since those Slumlords are bleeding Millionaires on paper, brought an eviction suit against her). With no real true merit, she cannot afford to defend herself with a Lawyer, or Public Defender. IN Civil cases like this, the slumlords filed, in retaliation, I see a huge disparity in our Justice System, which is in dire need of repair in Caly-Fon-Ya.


Should be a slam dunk case, as I'm going to represent her myself. Yet, still, no lawyer available, how in the hell is she supposed to pay the cheapest lawyer she could find for $400 an hour, which would of taken approximately 20+ hours to put the case together. Hell I've got 80 hours invested in this case, and want to puke over the tyranny I am too clearly seeing.

guess you hit the nail on the head after all.

 

[totus44]

Tom, all due respect you're the only one i know that can turn "Cat in the hat" into "War & peace"

Much of the money problems with more so the younger athletes is a case of to much to soon. which Is the point of my equation in post #6

Ah so then you do believe its the maturity, intelligence and character that is the issue, and not the money. Good man, I knew you'd get there.

 

[Rick2583]

Ah so then you do believe its the maturity, intelligence and character that is the issue, and not the money. Good man, I knew you'd get there.

Comprehension my young friend. read post #6 again, take your time. it very CLEARLY indicates that I believe its a COMBINATION of both.

 

[totus44]

Don't backslide now on me Rick. You can't attribute blame to an inanimate object. Bad character is independent of financial situation. You know this is true.

 

[Rick2583]

Don't backslide now on me Rick. You can't attribute blame to an inanimate object. Bad character is independent of financial situation. You know this is true.

I know you have this need to always be right (insert smiley face here) but I stand by what I've said.

Just put a million dollars in the hands of someone who never had much & watch & see how foolish & stupid they get. Not always, but all to often.

Now repeat after me Tom, "You know Rick it really kills me to say this but, I have to agree with you, money & stupidity all to often go hand in hand".

 

[totus44]

Wrong. Rick you have this issue with money, what is it...envy? Seriously man let it go. Again there are millions of people in the US with net worth over $1M.....and they aren't doing stupid things. Its not the money that is bad, its the character of the person that is bad.

And you will notice Rick, again we are arguing over the wealth topic....consistency at its best. Anyway you want to have issues with young guys making a lot of money, have at it. But I will always challenge you and correct you until you embrace reality.

Enjoy the game today.

 

[Rick2583]

Wrong. Rick you have this issue with money, what is it...envy? Seriously man let it go. Again there are millions of people in the US with net worth over $1M.....and they aren't doing stupid things. Its not the money that is bad, its the character of the person that is bad.

And you will notice Rick, again we are arguing over the wealth topic....consistency at its best. Anyway you want to have issues with young guys making a lot of money, have at it. But I will always challenge you and correct you until you embrace reality.

Enjoy the game today.

Okay I see a pattern forming here, aside from your unhealthy need to be in the right ALL THE TIME, you're now starting to have a problem with comprehension. Dispite me saying "NOT EVERYONE" and that money AND stupidity all to often lead to over indulgence you continue to act like if someone doesn't agree with you you're going to take your ball & go home. Lighten up. believe it or not (and I know this might hurt) but there are actually people that do have opinions that differ from yours. And btw: I have NO problem with young people having money its just the ones (& I'll say it again) all to often it gets the better of them.

On that note, you enjoy the game also.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I think a better analogy of money in millions of dollars, won by Lottery Peeps, is a better open, obvious transparent issue, of historical value, for this argument.

I've sen numerous documentaries, of persons who won millions of dollars, from Lotteries. Tho' the show never reveals the true percentages of those who win, go on to create an even more lucrative profitable life, with dividends, increasing their wealth, from the jump start lottery monies, they won.

Many of these new found millionaires, who have no clue how to invest money, go on to live their fantasy lives, with homes in Bel-Air or Ft. Lauderdale, to South Miami. Throwing lavish expensive parties, amongst peers who earned their millions. In a non-middle class anymore, they can't seem to make the transition, without numerous failures. From Drugs Galore, Super Cars, homes, et al. I'd venture to guess and say the pctg of Lottery winners with MIls, go broke within 2 years, or kill themselves recklessly. I bet 30-50 Percent of Lottery winners go broke, more than those who maintain or create an even higher income from smart investments, and ideas. Or businesses, that can't fail easily.

 

[yankeesince59]

I think a better analogy of money in millions of dollars, won by Lottery Peeps, is a better open, obvious transparent issue, of historical value, for this argument.

I've sen numerous documentaries, of persons who won millions of dollars, from Lotteries. Tho' the show never reveals the true percentages of those who win, go on to create an even more lucrative profitable life, with dividends, increasing their wealth, from the jump start lottery monies, they won.

Many of these new found millionaires, who have no clue how to invest money, go on to live their fantasy lives, with homes in Bel-Air or Ft. Lauderdale, to South Miami. Throwing lavish expensive parties, amongst peers who earned their millions. In a non-middle class anymore, they can't seem to make the transition, without numerous failures. From Drugs Galore, Super Cars, homes, et al. I'd venture to guess and say the pctg of Lottery winners with MIls, go broke within 2 years, or kill themselves recklessly. I bet 30-50 Percent of Lottery winners go broke, more than those who maintain or create an even higher income from smart investments, and ideas. Or businesses, that can't fail easily.

...several years ago a friend of mine, well, he was actually more of an acquaintance than he was a friend, won a "small" lottery in the town I lived in at the time..something like $2 Mil after taxes. Even though he quit his job with the fire department, did he invest the money?...Nope. Greed got the better of him and he decided to take a shot a having even more money by trying to make a drug deal and managed to buy a few pounds of coke from an undercover agent. DOH !!!


...he got busted and went to jail and lost all his money.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...several years ago a friend of mine, well, he was actually more of an acquaintance than he was a friend, won a "small" lottery in the town I lived in at the time..something like $2 Mil after taxes. Even though he quit his job with the fire department, did he invest the money?...Nope. Greed got the better of him and he decided to take a shot a having even more money by trying to make a drug deal and managed to buy a few pounds of coke from an undercover agent. DOH !!!


...he got busted and went to jail and lost all his money.

That seems to be the norm for Lottery Winners. They loose all sight of reality, blinded by the almighty dollar.

I think more bad things happen to winners who first of all, quit their jobs. Unless the already have a lucrative trade, which can create more profit, yet that doesn't seem to be the majority of cases. I have seen some humble winners, keep their job, and live within reason, while making safe investments and decisions.

I see a common thread, with Lottery Winners, and Athletes, even Actors, who live the high life to long, to where they think the income will always be there. While not finishing College, go on the the big leagues, have a short or long career, with bad investments, or scams, ponzi scheme investors, and are bankrupt within a year or two of retirement.... There are more Athletes who have invested in bad scams. Watch American Greed, and often you hear the list of numerous NFL players, who have invested in Ponzi Schemes, and sham scams.

 

[yankeesince59]

^^^yeah, and I'm "amused" by the lottery winners who, when an interviewer asks if they'll keep on working, they say "Oh no, I'll keep my job".

 

[Mattingly23NY]

^^^yeah, and I'm "amused" by the lottery winners who, when an interviewer asks if they'll keep on working, they say "Oh no, I'll keep my job".

You do have a valid point there 59. The funniest thing, is when checked back latter upon, those "I'm Keeping My Job folks, wound up quitting anyway from a month or two latter. Hell they don't have time to work, as they're too busy finding ways to spend all that money.

I guess it becomes a full time job for Lottery Winners, to look at all the stuff they can now buy, then have repossessed.

 

[totus44]

Let's use a real life example from today's news. Johnny Football....I mean Johnny rehab. Did the money make him bad? Nope, he was a train wreck long before he got paid. If he never got a deal in the NFL would he still be a train wreck? You betcha.

It ain't the mony in the babpnk account, its to poor character in the heart, mind, body & soul. Rich or poor, ARod is still the same asshole.
This isn't about being right Rick, its about understanding root cause and using logic.

 

[Rick2583]

Let's use a real life example from today's news. Johnny Football....I mean Johnny rehab. Did the money make him bad? Nope, he was a train wreck long before he got paid. If he never got a deal in the NFL would he still be a train wreck? You betcha.

It ain't the mony in the babpnk account, its to poor character in the heart, mind, body & soul. Rich or poor, ARod is still the same asshole.
This isn't about being right Rick, its about understanding root cause and using logic.

You should follow your own advice. Especially since your opinion on this topic seems to stand alone.

 

[totus44]

You should follow your own advice. Especially since your opinion on this topic seems to stand alone.

I'm not espousing opinion Rick.....you are. I'm talking about objective reality. Let's keep this from the flames and on topic.

And you didn't address the Johnny Manzel and Alex Rodriguez examples. Do you believe Alex was a good guy and the money and fame made him an asshat? Or do you believe he had a morally corrupt character all along and money and fame magnified his flaws? If you believe the latter than we are in agreement. If you believe the former than I have a bridge to sell you.