Jabari Parker

[TBpup]

So losing ET and then cutting Parker improves us this year how? Sounds like a definite trip to the lottery and then we lose a tradable asset as well.

If the difference between the Playoffs and Lottery is Turner.... We are in serious trouble!

 

[CupWizier]

If the difference between the Playoffs and Lottery is Turner.... We are in serious trouble!

Well, Turner running the second unit has been much more productive than Napier last year on the second unit. He actually has some solid numbers off the bench. Turner and McCollum seems to be the whipping boys this year in the forum

 

[Scalma]

If the difference between the Playoffs and Lottery is Turner.... We are in serious trouble!

Exactly. We could trade Turner and give Baldwin a chance to run the second unit. If that fails you start Simons’ development.

Either way, it won’t affect the pleasure of getting bounced in the first round again. And if we miss the playoffs? Even better. I’d rather get a lottery pick and find out what we have, or do not have, in our younger players.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Well, Turner running the second unit has been much more productive than Napier last year on the second unit. He actually has some solid numbers off the bench. Turner and McCollum seems to be the whipping boys this year in the forum

Turner and CJ have been the whipping boys for a while... .
I think both are "good players", I mainly just don't believe ET fits the system well, and while he's been "better" this year I just don't think the bench unit being built around him as the main distributor is a very good long term solution. I will take the next couple games to take a step back and try to reevaluate it and try to be fair(er) to him.

 

[CupWizier]

Turner and CJ have been the whipping boys for a while... .
I think both are "good players", I mainly just don't believe ET fits the system well, and while he's been "better" this year I just don't think the bench unit being built around him as the main distributor is a very good long term solution. I will take the next couple games to take a step back and try to reevaluate it and try to be fair(er) to him.

This forum seems to panic easily as every team in the NBA has struggled at times this year and the loss column reflects that. It's not just the Blazers. All of a sudden that Blazers go through a struggling portion of the schedule then it's fire Olshey, fire Stotts, trade CJ, dump Turner. Blazer fans in this forum are often fickle fans. Great when the going is good and panic if signs of a struggle. I would hate to see some of these fans if they were Pelican, Spurs, Jazz, Rocket fans as they are all .500 or below and not in the playoffs right now. It's an 82 game season and ebbs and flows are to be expected,

 

[BonesJones]

Curious as to why these guys arent getting slammed by the same people who slam KS aNd others for doing this.
Surely the posters here are not biased and are fair right????

FAMS!!!!

Bruh just let it rest ffs... I'm sitting here defending you in one thread then come in here to this... You calling out people again. Let is go.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

This forum seems to panic easily as every team in the NBA has struggled at times this year and the loss column reflects that. It's not just the Blazers. All of a sudden that Blazers go through a struggling portion of the schedule then it's fire Olshey, fire Stotts, trade CJ, dump Turner. Blazer fans in this forum are often fickle fans. Great when the going is good and panic if signs of a struggle. I would hate to see some of these fans if they were Pelican, Spurs, Jazz, Rocket fans as they are all .500 or below and not in the playoffs right now. It's an 82 game season and ebbs and flows are to be expected,

I understand, I didnt like the ET signing from day one even beyond just the contract. I try to stay grounded through wins and losses, but sure I think especially during games I at times let the passion get the best of me.
Just because other teams might be having even poorer years til now doesnt mean theres anything wrong with Blazer fans who dont like what theyve seen in stretches this year.

Overall I agree, we can definitely be prisoners of the moment. I think thats part of what makes us fans though.

 

[James lamphear]

Some of you guys think Parker will be liability on defense and then he should fit right in then. Because lately majority our team been liability on defense.

 

[CupWizier]

Some of you guys think Parker will be liability on defense and then he should fit right in then. Because lately majority our team been liability on defense.

so if our defense is so poor, why would we want to make it even worse. The guys on NBA TV last night were talking about Parker and they all agreed that his offense isn;t worth the cost of his defense. It's why a high lottery pick hasn't been able to stick anywhere as he's an old school offensive player with no defense. He's an even poorer version of 2018/19 Melo.

 

[hoopsjock]

so if our defense is so poor, why would we want to make it even worse. The guys on NBA TV last night were talking about Parker and they all agreed that his offense isn;t worth the cost of his defense. It's why a high lottery pick hasn't been able to stick anywhere as he's an old school offensive player with no defense. He's an even poorer version of 2018/19 Melo.

Because it saves us over $18 million against our cap number next year (if he's traded for Turner).

 

[James lamphear]

so if our defense is so poor, why would we want to make it even worse. The guys on NBA TV last night were talking about Parker and they all agreed that his offense isn;t worth the cost of his defense. It's why a high lottery pick hasn't been able to stick anywhere as he's an old school offensive player with no defense. He's an even poorer version of 2018/19 Melo.

Why we got 2 small guards that don't play a lick of defense that starts. Yes they score a lot but they also give up a lot of points too. I wouldn't put Parker on the 1st unit but the 2nd unit to have a player at least can come in and give you consent double in scoring off the bench. Right now we don't have that player.

 

[CupWizier]

Because it saves us over $18 million against our cap number next year (if he's traded for Turner).

Which doesn't give us cap space. We are only one year removed from Turner, Harkless and Leonards contracts being expiring contracts which could be beneficial and getting rid of Turners contract doesn't really give us any cap space unless you also suggest letting Curry, Stauskas, Layman and Aminu to walk for nothing and then it still wouldn't be much. Another year of patience would be better.

 

[BonesJones]

This forum seems to panic easily as every team in the NBA has struggled at times this year and the loss column reflects that. It's not just the Blazers. All of a sudden that Blazers go through a struggling portion of the schedule then it's fire Olshey, fire Stotts, trade CJ, dump Turner. Blazer fans in this forum are often fickle fans. Great when the going is good and panic if signs of a struggle. I would hate to see some of these fans if they were Pelican, Spurs, Jazz, Rocket fans as they are all .500 or below and not in the playoffs right now. It's an 82 game season and ebbs and flows are to be expected,

Really? I love when people make up a narrative about a group with false context to try and put themselves above that group. That's what you're doing. I've been saying fire Stotts, fire Olshey, and dump Turner for the past couple years. Never changed my mind. Do you need me to pull a Gronk Brady in order to not seem "fickle"?

The same issues exist through all the ebbs and flows. Unless those issues correct themselves or we make the WCF, they won't cease to exist regardless of how well we do.

 

[BonesJones]

Which doesn't give us cap space. We are only one year removed from Turner, Harkless and Leonards contracts being expiring contracts which could be beneficial and getting rid of Turners contract doesn't really give us any cap space unless you also suggest letting Curry, Stauskas, Layman and Aminu to walk for nothing and then it still wouldn't be much. Another year of patience would be better.

Itd still help. Dumping ET opens up the Full MLE, BAE, and sign-and-trade opportunities.

It'll be much easier to dump Meyers or Harkless than ET. ET is the first step if we were going to dump those three.

 

[CupWizier]

Why we got 2 small guards that don't play a lick of defense that starts. Yes they score a lot but they also give up a lot of points too. I wouldn't put Parker on the 1st unit but the 2nd unit to have a player at least can come in and give you consent double in scoring off the bench. Right now we don't have that player.

I'm not advocating it, but Melo at the vet minimum would be a better option.

 

[hoopsjock]

Which doesn't give us cap space. We are only one year removed from Turner, Harkless and Leonards contracts being expiring contracts which could be beneficial and getting rid of Turners contract doesn't really give us any cap space unless you also suggest letting Curry, Stauskas, Layman and Aminu to walk for nothing and then it still wouldn't be much. Another year of patience would be better.

You don't think I know the cap situation? Saving that money is the difference between being able to offer the full-MLE and BAE this summer instead of just the Tax-MLE. First of all, 2 of the 4 guys you mentioned are unrestricted with no bird rights so we would need a way to sign them if we wanted to keep them. Second of all, almost half of the league is going to be free agents this summer (as much as 49% could be) so there are going to be deals that could be had. Having the Full-MLE is going to be important.

Besides, why are you worried about making sure we bring the exact same team back?

 

[CupWizier]

Really? I love when people make up a narrative about a group with false context to try and put themselves above that group. That's what you're doing. I've been saying fire Stotts, fire Olshey, and dump Turner for the past couple years. Never changed my mind. Do you need me to pull a Gronk Brady in order to not seem "fickle"?

The same issues exist through all the ebbs and flows. Unless those issues correct themselves or we make the WCF, they won't cease to exist regardless of how well we do.

No it isn't. That's only what you think I am doing. My post wasn't directed at one person so no reason to take it [personally and try and justify it by saying you'be been saying it for X months. It only means you have little patience.

 

[CupWizier]

You don't think I know the cap situation? Saving that money is the difference between being able to offer the full-MLE and BAE this summer instead of just the Tax-MLE. First of all, 2 of the 4 guys you mentioned are unrestricted with no bird rights so we would need a way to sign them if we wanted to keep them. Second of all, almost half of the league is going to be free agents this summer (as much as 49% could be) so there are going to be deals that could be had. Having the Full-MLE is going to be important.

Besides, why are you worried about making sure we bring the exact same team back?[/QUOTE]

and where did I say or imply that? I also never said you don't know the cap space. I know it as well.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Because it saves us over $18 million against our cap number next year (if he's traded for Turner).

That would be the one sensible scenario. If they started throwing draft picks at Chicago (or anything else of actual value), it would be a mistake.

 

[CupWizier]

That would be the one sensible scenario. If they started throwing draft picks at Chicago (or anything else of actual value), it would be a mistake.

Well Chicago has no incentive to trade Parker just to add another large contract a year longer. They are rebuilding.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Well Chicago has no incentive to trade Parker just to add another large contract a year longer. They are rebuilding.

Then we need to stay away.

 

[BonesJones]

No it isn't. That's only what you think I am doing. My post wasn't directed at one person so no reason to take it [personally and try and justify it by saying you'be been saying it for X months. It only means you have little patience.

Did you even read what I said?! I mean, you bolded it...

I said "I love when people make up a narrative about a GROUP"... you reply by saying you didnt direct it at any one person...

Later on, you say I have "little patience", yet you dint even have enough patience to read my posts that you're quoting.

 

[BonesJones]

Stotts and Olshey have had the same flaws for years, how much longer should I have to wait until its not simply me being "impatient" if I want them gone?

 

[CupWizier]

Did you even read what I said?! I mean, you bolded it...

I said "I love when people make up a narrative about a GROUP"... you reply by saying you didnt direct it at any one person...

Later on, you say I have "little patience", yet you dint even have enough patience to read my posts that you're quoting.

Let me explain it to you. I DIDN'T PUT MY SELF ABOVE ANYONE ELSE. That was my response to the bolded statement where you claimed that. Does that clear it up for you? and I did read your post.

 

[Hoopguru]

Im staying with 51 wins and getting out of the first round.
I may come up short especially based on the way they've played of late. However, same thing last year at this time, losing streak and doom and gloom, no way we end up winning more than 40 games, well, we did.
Im all for improving the team balance via a trade if opportunity is there.
This is year 4 of the rebuild/and there has been an objective improvement plan guiding the incremental progress, but guaranteed that the weighting now is much more critical. I anticipate some trade that will help better balance the roster.

 

[CupWizier]

Stotts and Olshey have had the same flaws for years, how much longer should I have to wait until its not simply me being "impatient" if I want them gone?

Do you consider yourself the end all to judging flaws of coaches, GM's and players? How much longer do you have to wait? Probably until the team decides to make a change, not because you think it needs to happen. If the team went off that kind of mindset we would have no players, no coach and no GM as almost every aspect of the Blazers have people wanting it changed at one time or another. Sly doesn't think we should have a trail cat for a mascot, but he's a bit biased.

 

[BonesJones]

That would be the one sensible scenario. If they started throwing draft picks at Chicago (or anything else of actual value), it would be a mistake.

I'd offer our 1st if we got back their 2nd, or if they took Meyers. And then I'd try to flip Parker.

A couple ideas. Both goulet us under the luxury tax line, and open up money for next year.

IDEA 1 - Most realistic
CHI Gets: Evan Turner, Ben McLemore, 2019 POR 1st
SAC Gets: Jabari Parker
POR Gets: Kosta Kofous, 2019 CHI 2nd, $9.2M TPE (Evan Turner)

IDEA 2 - A different version, better for us:
CHI Gets: Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, 2019 POR 1st
SAC Gets: Jabari Parker, Cam Payne, Caleb Swanigan
POR Gets: Kosta Kofous, Ben McLemore, $17.9M TPE (Evan Turner)

 

[hoopsjock]

I'd offer our 1st if we got back their 2nd, or if they took Meyers. And then I'd try to flip Parker.

A couple ideas. Both goulet us under the luxury tax line, and open up money for next year.

IFEA 1 - Most realistic
CHI Gets: Evan Turner, Ben McLemore, 2019 POR 1st, $9.2M TPE (Evan Turner)
SAC Gets: Jabari Parker
POR Gets: Kosta Kofous, 2019 CHI 2nd

IDEA 2 - A different version, better for us:
CHI Gets: Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, 2019 POR 1st
SAC Gets: Jabari Parker, Cam Payne, Caleb Swanigan
POR Gets: Kosta Kofous, Ben McLemore, $17.9M TPE (Evan Turner)

In "IFEA" 1, wouldn't we be getting the $9 million TPE?

 

[BonesJones]

In "IFEA" 1, wouldn't we be getting the $9 million TPE?

Haha, yes. Corrected both.

 

[BonesJones]

I'd offer our 1st if we got back their 2nd, or if they took Meyers. And then I'd try to flip Parker.

A couple ideas. Both goulet us under the luxury tax line, and open up money for next year.

IDEA 1 - Most realistic
CHI Gets: Evan Turner, Ben McLemore, 2019 POR 1st
SAC Gets: Jabari Parker
POR Gets: Kosta Kofous, 2019 CHI 2nd, $9.2M TPE (Evan Turner)

IDEA 2 - A different version, better for us:
CHI Gets: Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, 2019 POR 1st
SAC Gets: Jabari Parker, Cam Payne, Caleb Swanigan
POR Gets: Kosta Kofous, Ben McLemore, $17.9M TPE (Evan Turner)

In IDEA 2, we trade Swanigan so that Leonard and Swanigan matches the full amount of salary we're bringing in to create a $17.9M TPE for Turner, who's salary doesn't have to be sent out to complete the trade. That's how it works, right? @hoopsjock @PtldPlatypus