Jack Morris is no more a HOFer then Pettitte or Mussina

[yankeesince59]

...lol...you're preaching to the choir...like I said, I agree.

 

[Rick2583]

...lol...you're preaching to the choir...like I said, I agree.

I know you did, and rightfully so. It was for the others that don't quite understand my genius.

 

[blgridesagain]

Jack Morris, Don Sutton, Bert Blyleven belong in the Hall of The Very Good -
Andre Dawson and Carlton Fisk also.

By the way, Greg Maddux won 20 games twice...I know I know.....a ridiculous statement,
...he won 19 games 5 times. What the heck. lol
Ahem, and his aggregate career "numbers" pitching against D.H. / A.L. lineups during inter league play are nothing to write home about.
I firmly believe his carer numbers would've taken a considerable hit if he pitched his entire career vs D.H. lineups. Go ahead, take your shots.

lol

 

[Mattingly23NY]

A 3 time 20 game winner Morris IMO was never that dominating pitcher & never really had that LIGHTS OUT season. And the only stat that he often led the league in was WP. A good pitcher YES! but a hall of famer NO!.

Agreed...I too think Smoltz and Pedro deserve a good look during HOF voting. I was a bit surprised when I looked at both of their numbers. They both were dominating, except Pedro's "NY is my Daddy", he had a great career. A real shame the Bums didn't know what they had in Pedro.

With Smoltz's 154 Saves, and 215 Wins, plus his 15 years of Post Season Pitching, I would not be surprised if he joins his two comrades of Maddux and Glavine in the hallowed Halls.

As for Guidry what a shame for the Ragin' Cajun. Guidry was lights out in his prime. I liked his killer, un-hittable Slider; more than Lefty Carlton's. Yet, his numbers will never see Ron in the HOF, even with Veteran's Committee consideration. Just my opinion for the 2 cents its barely worth.

 

[blgridesagain]

I like Smoltz and I think he was an excellent pitcher but I don't think he's a Hall of Famer.
You shouldn't get extra points just because you had to convert to being a relief pitcher and saved 154 (not 354) games. Tell me what his save percentages were when he was a closer.

By the way, as it has been previously said, Guidry volunteered for bullpen duty during the season which probably cost him a good chance at another 20 win season and a few more career wins.

 

[Rick2583]

I like Smoltz and I think he was an excellent pitcher but I don't think he's a Hall of Famer.
You shouldn't get extra points just because you had to convert to being a relief pitcher and saved 154 (not 354) games. Tell me what his save percentages were when he was a closer.

By the way, as it has been previously said, Guidry volunteered for bullpen duty during the season which probably cost him a good chance at another 20 win season and a few more career wins.

You've got to remember also that Guidry's career started late. He was 26. And after only 9 seasons he was 154-68 at the young age of 34. Then it came to a very abrupt end where he only went 16-23 over his final 3 years. So when you take into account the 3-4 years that his career started late & the final 3 where he was just terrible, you're looking at 6-7 years that could've made a very big difference.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

You've got to remember also that Guidry's career started late. He was 26. And after only 9 seasons he was 154-68 at the young age of 34. Then it came to a very abrupt end where he only went 16-23 over his final 3 years. So when you take into account the 3-4 years that his career started late & the final 3 where he was just terrible, you're looking at 6-7 years that could've made a very big difference.

Outstanding point Rick....

I'll be back in a hour or 2 or 3, got some quick errands to run, well....guess I'll walk instead.