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Layman has a full set of skills that'll make him a good NBA player. He has instincts and a pretty good IQ for the game...doesn't seem to hesitate or get lost like other projects we've been patient with. I think he's a keeper.
 
It would be nice if he could actually make an occasional wide open shot against NBA third stringers. He's made exactly 3 shots (3-24) since Thanksgiving - and two of those were in the same game.

He may shoot without hesitation, but it would be nice if they actually went in once in a while.

BNM
 
Layman has the potential to be good at every aspect of the game. Kind of like a Houston Chandler Parsons with better defense, or a Nic Batum who never settles for bad shots.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Lateral quickness? Reaction timing? Defensive instincts?

Not saying we know anything about any of these, but they're at least question marks.
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Lateral quickness is there. I've seen him stick with high caliber NBA wings laterally. I have noticed he tends to get a little froggy defensively (bites a lot on pump fakes), but that should improve with more experience and once he settles down. He also needs to keep adding weight. He's already added some since college but he still needs to get stronger. Another thing that'll come with time. Take Gordon Hayward for example (the guy layman compares himself to), he was a stick when he came into the league and now he's built as shit. Lastly, his shot will need to get more consistent, but that's another thing that only comes with playing time. I've seen him in warmups. He never misses. Doesn't mean anything though. You don't improve consistency in practice.

All the tools are there. It's just about development now, which comes with playing time. Honestly, I'd much rather focus on developing guys like Layman and Vonleh than fighting for that 8th seed.
 
Boob-No-More said:
It would be nice if he could actually make an occasional wide open shot against NBA third stringers. He's made exactly 3 shots (3-24) since Thanksgiving - and two of those were in the same game.

He may shoot without hesitation, but it would be nice if they actually went in once in a while.

BNM
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You can't use that sample size when the dudes playing 1 out of 5 games. If he built a rythym over the season and got fully comfortable, he'd be good, and would never go 3-24.
 
Boob-No-More said:
It would be nice if he could actually make an occasional wide open shot against NBA third stringers. He's made exactly 3 shots (3-24) since Thanksgiving - and two of those were in the same game.

He may shoot without hesitation, but it would be nice if they actually went in once in a while.

BNM
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Almost all our rookies go through this...playing 2 minutes in garbage time..I didn't think Will Barton could shoot that well as a rookie either. He's got a good looking stroke and shoots with his legs..my prediction is he'll be a good two way player. I'm glad he's in the D league getting to play now.
 
BonesJones said:
You can't use that sample size when the dudes playing 1 out of 5 games. If he built a rythym over the season and got fully comfortable, he'd be good, and would never go 3-24.
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That sample size is while being guarded by the opponent's 14th and 15th best players. While I don't expect he would actually shoot worse against better competition, I'm also not convinced he deserves actual playing time against real NBA players.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
That sample size is while being guarded by the opponent's 14th and 15th best players. While I don't expect he would actually shoot worse against better competition, I'm also not convinced he deserves actual playing time against real NBA players.

BNM
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Do you actually sign every one of your posts? Lmao.
 
Boob-No-More said:
That sample size is while being guarded by the opponent's 14th and 15th best players. While I don't expect he would actually shoot worse against better competition, I'm also not convinced he deserves actual playing time against real NBA players.

BNM
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Stotts played Jake against legit bench rotations after his miracle endgame debut...albeit sporadically, but Layman has played against better than just end of the bench guys...it's not overrating to value him as a guy to develop...I like his game way better than most end of the bench guys out there
 
Boob-No-More said:
That sample size is while being guarded by the opponent's 14th and 15th best players. While I don't expect he would actually shoot worse against better competition, I'm also not convinced he deserves actual playing time against real NBA players.

BNM
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When you're shooting mostly 3s, it doesn't matter who's closing out on you. Rythym is a much more important factor.
 
Did you guys know, in his last 5 games, Gordon Hayward is shooting 40%, and only 33% from downtown? Not sure he's the answer there in Utah.

BNM
 
riverman said:
Stotts played Jake against legit bench rotations after his miracle endgame debut...albeit sporadically, but Layman has played against better than just end of the bench guys...it's not overrating to value him as a guy to develop...I like his game way better than most end of the bench guys out there
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Most here felt the same way about Victor Claver.

I'm not saying that Layman is Claver 2.0, but I need to see a lot more than he's shown since that one hot shooting quarter of garbage time three months ago and some D League highlights before I'm convinced he can be a valuable contributor at the NBA level.

BNM
 
BonesJones said:
When you're shooting mostly 3s, it doesn't matter who's closing out on you. Rythym is a much more important factor.
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He's getting wide open looks and missing them. He's made ONE 3 pointer since Thanksgiving.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
He's getting wide open looks and missing them. He's made ONE 3 pointer since Thanksgiving.

BNM
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True, honestly, if I'm terry stotts, I tell him to stop shooting threes. He's obviously terrible at them. That's been proven.
 
Scalma said:
True, honestly, if I'm terry stotts, I tell him to stop shooting threes. He's obviously terrible at them. That's been proven.
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Obviously. Same with Crabbe.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Most here felt the same way about Victor Claver.
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I was one of them...loved his defense...on a call in interview I asked Wes Mathews who was the best unknown player in the gym and he said Victor can shoot way better than fans think from his limited time on the court...words from Wes....sadly, Vic never found his stroke in a game.
 
riverman said:
I was one of them...loved his defense...on a call in interview I asked Wes Mathews who was the best unknown player in the gym and he said Victor can shoot way better than fans think from his limited time on the court...words from Wes....sadly, Vic never found his stroke in a game.
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He got plenty of burn his rookie season, actually started 16 games, but was out of the league 2 years later. Mike Barrett used to also go on and on about how Claver was a lights out shooter in practice. He just couldn't do it when it mattered.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
He's getting wide open looks and missing them. He's made ONE 3 pointer since Thanksgiving.

BNM
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EXACTLY

Its a rythym thing, and if he's open then it obviously doesn't matter who's in the game.
 
riverman said:
I was one of them...loved his defense...on a call in interview I asked Wes Mathews who was the best unknown player in the gym and he said Victor can shoot way better than fans think from his limited time on the court...words from Wes....sadly, Vic never found his stroke in a game.
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Claver was never a shooter, his entire O game was dunking.
Here is a clue. Claver's first season FT% in the NBA was .467, and for his career .585.
Claver was always a bad free throw shooter, even before he was drafted. FT% is usually a good indicator if a player can improve his FG % & 3pt%.

Layman has shown he can shoot, and his College FT% was .759. Far better than Claver's.
 
oldfisherman said:
Claver was never a shooter, his entire O game was dunking.
Here is a clue. Claver's first season FT% in the NBA was .467, and for his career .585.
Claver was always a bad free throw shooter, even before he was drafted. FT% is usually a good indicator if a player can improve his FG % & 3pt%.

Layman has shown he can shoot, and his College FT% was .759. Far better than Claver's.
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I wonder if he didn't make his free throws in practice also. Some kind of nerves could hurt both wide open threes and FT shooting.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I wonder if he didn't make his free throws in practice also. Some kind of nerves could hurt both wide open threes and FT shooting.
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Victor is avg about 10 pts a game in Russia last 2 seasons...just signed back in Spain this season...the dude has 5 medals I think from international competition...bottom line...I like Victor....didn't stick in the NBA game...we traded him just when he was probably starting to understand English...his English seemed really sketchy.Him and Joel Freeland....role players with defensive skills
 
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How long we gunna keep Layman in the nether world or round ball?
 
When I was in the Marines, we did some training with the Royal Marines. I couldn't tell you what the fuck they ever said. We drank a lot though lol.
 
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