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Boob-No-More said:
Because he's cheap insurance in case all four of the other small forwards on our roster get injured?

If so, I prefer to call him Geico.

BNM
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Looks just like him too.
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Remember when we thought Jake was good? He's so bad out there. Can't shoot.
 
KingSpeed said:
Remember when we thought Jake was good? He's so bad out there. Can't shoot.
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Has any sport see a person come in for the first time and completely take over the game only to completely disappears the rest of his career to date?

Pretty crazy.
 
KingSpeed said:
Remember when we thought Jake was good? He's so bad out there. Can't shoot.
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He shot well in D league, he's a rookie....CJ and Crabbe didn't light it up rookie season either..Jake can shoot but let's let him break a sweat and play two games in a row before we judge him too much eh?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Has any sport see a person come in for the first time and completely take over the game only to completely disappears the rest of his career to date?

Pretty crazy.
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Not a single game, but I think the most spectacular boom to bust story in all of sports has to be Bob "Hurricane" Hazle.

Hazle is best remembered for his meteoric 1957 performance. He was promoted from Wichita only after outfielder Bill Bruton suffered a season-ending knee injury, and did not play until the Braves' 100th game.

In less than three weeks, from August 9 through August 25, Hazle batted .473 with 5 home runs and 19 RBI in 14 games, a sudden burst of unexpected offense that earned him the nickname "Hurricane." The original Hurricane Hazel had struck the coast of Hazle's home state, South Carolina, in 1954.

For the season, Hazle batted .403 in 41 games, with 7 home runs and 27 RBI. On the next-to-last day of the season, Hazle broke up a no-hit bid by Cincinnati's Johnny Klippstein with a two-out, eighth-inning single.
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I collected baseball cards as a kid and had Hurricane Hazle's rookie card.

I used to sort my cards by team, by position, by career batting average for position players and career ERA for pitchers (yes, I was like this, even as an 8-year old kid). Anyway, that 1958 Topps Bob "Hurricane" Hazle card had the highest career batting average of any baseball card I'd ever seen. Back in those days, before Al Gore invented the interweb, it was harder to find information on obscure players like Hazle. Thankfully, my mom bought my brother and I a subscription to Baseball Digest, where I read an interesting article on the meteoric rise and fall of Bob "Hurricane" Hazle. Interesting story, to say the least.

After that magical fall of 1957, Hazel was out of the league for good less than a year later. Jake Layman should take note, or people may start calling him Hurricane Layman. At least Hurricane Hazle capped of his 15 minutes of fame with a World Series ring.

BNM
 
1. Draws conclusion that you can't judge a player based off garbage time

2. Then doing just that when said player struggles

Fans. Hehe.

We can revisit this thread next year. Until then it's all bullshit. No one knows what he will or won't become. His story hasn't started yet.

If you want to count him out, feel free. I'm sure your take will age well.
 
Mediocre Man said:
This guy, right?
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For once, you and I have something in common. I got called a hater and was shouted down when I was less than impressed with Layman's D-League performance. Many were raving about how great he was playing based strictly on raw per game stats, when I pointed out his absolutely horrible shooting percentages, all sorts of excuses were made about lack of a consistent role, etc. The fact is, after that first garbage time game against GSW, Layman hasn't been able to throw a rock in the ocean, in either the NBA or the D-League, and probably not even at the Pop-a-Shot at Chuck E. Cheese where he'd likely to get trounced by the average 8-year old birthday party attendee.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
For once, you and I have something in common. I got called a hater and was shouted down when I was less than impressed with Layman's D-League performance. Many were raving about how great he was playing based strictly on raw per game stats, when I pointed out his absolutely horrible shooting percentages, all sorts of excuses were made about lack of a consistent role, etc. The fact is, after that first garbage time game against GSW, Layman hasn't been able to throw a rock in the ocean, in either the NBA or the D-League, and probably not even at the Pop-a-Shot at Chuck E. Cheese where he'd likely to get trounced by the average 8-year old birthday party attendee.

BNM
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Right now he's Victor Claver. You can see the badketball IQ, but the confidence or whatever isn't there
 
In the month of March, layman has had 5 shot attempts.

In February, he had 1.

In January, he had 7.

These are the exact right amount of sample sizes I like to use to judge a player, and specifically a rookie. 100% for sure.
 
Boob-No-More said:
and probably not even at the Pop-a-Shot at Chuck E. Cheese where he'd likely to get trounced by the average 8-year old birthday party attendee.

BNM
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Holy cowpies(family friendly). That was fricken funny stuff there.....
 
Scalma said:
In the month of March, layman has had 5 shot attempts.

In February, he had 1.

In January, he had 7.

These are the exact right amount of sample sizes I like to use to judge a player, and specifically a rookie. 100% for sure.
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You left out his D-League stats. Still a small sample size, but he took 125 shots in 8 games, 53 of them, 3-pointers. He made 12 (.226 3FG%).

BNM
 
Mediocre Man said:
Right now he's Victor Claver. You can see the badketball IQ, but the confidence or whatever isn't there
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It's not a confidence thing for Layman. He doesn't hesitate to shoot, the way Claver did. Claver was gun shy. Layman is trigger happy.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
You left out his D-League stats. Still a small sample size, but he took 125 shots in 8 games, 53 of them, 3-pointers. He made 12 (.226 3FG%).

BNM
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I watched every single one of his dleague games and came away more optimistic about his future than before it, regardless of his shooting percentages. He showed his game isn't dependent on shooting, that he can score in multiple ways, and has a good basketball IQ.

I remember when I wrote McCollum off after seeing him struggle in a limited role earlier in his career, and I remember how dumb I felt later on. I promised myself I would never do that again, and if I saw something I liked in a young player, I would ride with them until they properly got a chance to fail. Layman is no different.
 
Boob-No-More said:
It's not a confidence thing for Layman. He doesn't hesitate to shoot, the way Claver did. Claver was gun shy. Layman is trigger happy.

BNM
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I honestly don't see how we can even evaluate him. What he does in D league or in the last two minutes of a blow out is absolutely misleading. It reminds me of being in grade school and the coaches would clear the bench in the last two minutes. Whoever had the ball as we passed half court would fire away knowing you would never get the ball back.....

Practice is a different story. Terry sees practice...... and we don't.
 
And please with these claver comps. Claver got 17 minutes a night and was even starting at one point. Until Layman gets an opportunity like that, he is a big fat TBD.
 
Boob-No-More said:
It's not a confidence thing for Layman. He doesn't hesitate to shoot, the way Claver did. Claver was gun shy. Layman is trigger happy.

BNM
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I was tutored by a pretty well known coach, who taught me something I never thought of.

There are two types of shooters.

1. Not confident. Claver

2. Confident. Laymam is in this group. He is confident of the shot he is taking, but not that it is going in. Lillard on the other hand "knows" it's going in.

I had never thought of it that way.

Layman doesn't not think it's going in, but just doesn't think it's going in either.

This is just my theory, but I don't believe he is seeing the shot go in as he releases it.
 
If we could ever blow out a team we'd have a better picture of our 3rd string...early in the season when we were getting blown out they played really well in stretches together. Connaughton reminds me of Delladova...great motor..funky shot...Layman has a good looking game...he moves well and isn't afraid to rebound or take it to the rim...these rookie contracts are like gold for saving cap space...after all, we're talking about the 13 or 14th rotation player on the bench
 
riverman said:
If we could ever blow out a team we'd have a better picture of our 3rd string...early in the season when we were getting blown out they played really well in stretches together. Connaughton reminds me of Delladova...great motor..funky shot...Layman has a good looking game...he moves well and isn't afraid to rebound or take it to the rim...these rookie contracts are like gold for saving cap space...after all, we're talking about the 13 or 14th rotation player on the bench
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That's what really sucks. We gotta be up by 40 or so, to not worry about losing the game.
 
Scalma said:
I watched every single one of his dleague games and came away more optimistic about his future than before it, regardless of his shooting percentages. He showed his game isn't dependent on shooting, that he can score in multiple ways, and has a good basketball IQ.

I remember when I wrote McCollum off after seeing him struggle in a limited role earlier in his career, and I remember how dumb I felt later on. I promised myself I would never do that again, and if I saw something I liked in a young player, I would ride with them until they properly got a chance to fail. Layman is no different.
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I guess I'm a little less enthusiastic based on his abysmal shooting. In addition to throwing up bricks in the D-League after that very first 5-7 from downtown performance against GSW, he's gone 5-34 on three pointers (.147 3FG%). Yeah, I now small sample size, but for some reason many of the same posters that play the small sample size card when Layman shoots poorly wanted to make him our starting SF after that one 5-7 game.

And, unless you are 1st team all defense, or have some other truly elite skill, you need to be able to shoot to make it in the NBA. In this case the Claver comparison is valid (so far). Layman is already 23. He's not some 19-year old kid. I agree, the sample size is small, but if he was killing it in practice, he'd be getting more PT. In the 15 games Evan Turner missed, Layman played a total of 20 minutes. Patty Baseball gets (and deserves) more minutes than Jake Layman.

Other than absolutely unwavering self-confidence, no matter how poorly he's shooting, I have not seen anything about Jake Layman that screams NBA player. Well, other than low rent end of bench NBA player. Sure, he could eventually prove me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath. Hell, I'd be elated if he could actually shoot well enough to make Allen Crabbe expendable. Because, at the very least, Layman appears to be less one dimensional than Crabbe. Combine Crabbe's shooting with Layman's ability to put the ball on the floor and we might actually have a bench player worthy of the average of their two salaries.

BNM
 
Mediocre Man said:
This is just my theory, but I don't believe he is seeing the shot go in as he releases it.
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I don't either. For the last few months, every time Layman shoots, I visualize him missing the shot. I have been right nearly 90% of the time.

BNM
 
I think Jake is the only guy who lived up to our expectations this year.

We thought he can be the next Chandler Parsons. He's playing EXACTLY like Parsons right now and by Neil Olshey's logic that means we now have to pay him 20 million a year.
 
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