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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jul 10 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys are probably losing some more outside shooting with this exchange though (I know a lot of you complain about that already).</div>

Not really, Hayes was pretty comfortable chucking up 3's on a regular in both Washington and Detroit but while inconsistent minutes wreaked havoc with getting a flow going some nights he was still a guy who would make you pay for leaving him open. He's really not much of a downgrade from Boki and his 2.5 retarded turnovers a game and week long cold streaks.

We're spending very little on a guy who is looking to prove he deserves regular burn and it's great for our depth. I like this a whole lot more than I did of possibly adding Roger Mason.
 
Get to know Jarvis Hayes better.

Apparently he missed a combined 90 games the first 2 seasons of his career with an injury. He was taken 10th overall in 2003 by the Wizards, below is an interview he had a year ago still with the wizards. It seems that there is still some upside left to Hayes and he hasn't hit his ceiling as far as his potential to be better is concerned. He went off this season against the Hornets March 16th going 7-8 from 3pt land, finished with 29pts, not sure if you guys remember that.

[/FUN FACT: HE's a TWIN!!!

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Nice job by the FO here, we got him at a great price. It's encouraging that he played 82 games last year and it was his most efficient season yet. I've always liked the guy, I hope he exceeds my expectations.
 
I like that he is only 26 and isn't close to being washed up yet. solid pick up and I'm very happy. Don't see why we need Najera now. I turned on MSG and it said the Nets are involved in trade talks with the bulls and nuggets (camby) involving Marcus Williams and Nenad Kristic. It didn't give much info though.

I don't know much about Hayes can someone give me an accurate scouting report on him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 11 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like that he is only 26 and isn't close to being washed up yet. solid pick up and I'm very happy. Don't see why we need Najera now. I turned on MSG and it said the Nets are involved in trade talks with the bulls and nuggets (camby) involving Marcus Williams and Nenad Kristic. It didn't give much info though.

I don't know much about Hayes can someone give me an accurate scouting report on him.</div>

as long as it won't cost us josh boone, marcus camby would be a great pickup especially if we're only giving away krstic (has become redundant) and marcus williams (absolutely no defense whatsoever).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 11 2008, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like that he is only 26 and isn't close to being washed up yet. solid pick up and I'm very happy. Don't see why we need Najera now. I turned on MSG and it said the Nets are involved in trade talks with the bulls and nuggets (camby) involving Marcus Williams and Nenad Kristic. It didn't give much info though.

I don't know much about Hayes can someone give me an accurate scouting report on him.</div>


What do you want to know?

He's been injured a lot.

He can be kind of a chucker, but that's his job and he has played limited minutes.

He's more of a scorer than a pure shooter, even though his stroke is gorgeous and he has great size to get his shot away.

He is OK defensively, but that's not really his role.

Basically, he's willing to play for this low salary because he sees the potential to make an impact on a team that's begging for a scoring wing. He can definitely put up points, he's proven that. What he hasn't proven is that he can be consistent with his shot and he definitely hasn't proven he can be effective with starters' minutes. Can he guard an NBA wing for an entire game? Can he stay healthy with extended time?

There's an opportunity for him here. Boki played 22 MPG last year. Jarvis hasn't done that for a while. When he did, he was terrible (38% shooting, ouch) and he just couldn't stay on the court. Recently, there are signs he is putting things together, but that's with the reduced minutes and reduced responsibilities.

He's still young and he's just at the point where he could start showing some real improvement. We'll see how much he wants it and if he's capable of taking advantage.
 
Best thing is the Nets didn't use their MLE on this so they can still get another quality bench player in the backcourt and offer the full MLE over two years. The Cavs are over the luxury tax so you think they would match the full MLE for Daniel Gibson?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 11 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jul 11 2008, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets are throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks. I like that approach for a team that knows its not ready to compete yet.

You guys are probably losing some more outside shooting with this exchange though (I know a lot of you complain about that already).</div>

Possibly. But at least it will be more consistant. Boki is the definition of a streaky shooter. Some nights you know the ball is going in and other nights you don't even have to watch the shot to know he's going to miss. I'll still miss him though.
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I don't think Jarvis' shot is any more consistent than Boki's (maybe a little, but don't expect Ray Allen).

What's good about him is he has to be better defensively (can't be worse) and he is a whole lot cheaper.
 
This is great. I loved him on the Wizards, he was a good scoring punch off the bench there.

I always crossed my fingers hoping we'd be able to pick him up, but I figured it was a longshot, especially with a team like Detroit signing him. This is a sweet move, definitely better and less confusing than Najera.

I approve, I give this move a B.




By the way, does this mean no Najera? And no Nocioni? And no JR Smith?
 
Definitely one of Kiki's fallen angels.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Hayes’ agent, Dan Fegan, has a strong relationship with new Nets GM Kiki Vandeweghe. They got together on several signings, including Kenyon Martin and Nene, with the Nuggets. Fegan also represents new Net Yi Jianlian. The Nets had a meeting later on Thursday night with another Fegan client, Denver free agent forward Eduardo Najera.</div>

And for cheap too!

I am somewhat worried about the glut of forwards made by this signing, however, especially with time given to the rookies. Since Jarvis is a young guy, it's not as big a deal to me. It seems like Najera would be wasting his time and prime on the Nets, however.
 
"It's close," Hayes said of a possible deal with the Nets. "There is definitely some interest there. And interest here. I can't talk too much about it."

Hayes, a 6-8, 228-pound small forward, is considered a good shooter, an average at best defender. But he would give the Nets some more of the perimeter scoring and experience they seek.

"They're still a very highly competitive team," Hayes said of the Nets. "I see myself coming in and if everything works out, being a pretty good piece for them. They've got a very good head coach and V.C. [Vince Carter Vince Carter ]. So we'll see. It's a highly competitive team."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07112008/sport...adar_119384.htm
 
I like this signing a lot. Hayes is a good player, why not give him a chance to prove himself while we're rebuilding?
 
I think this is a solid pick up and for very cheap, too. Two years is a a good amount of time to try to prove yourself for a fatter contract and like many have said, he's only 26. He can be a streaky shooter but at least he's an average defender unlike Mr. Boki Nachbar whom I saw in way too many games get blown by like Sasha Vujacic in the 2008 finals (human statue defense, not even matador defense).
 
I like it...totally came out of nowhere. I honestly didn't even know he was a free agent. He should provide a good spark off the bench, and he's still pretty young, and it's a really cheap deal. Good stuff.
 
^^^ he better not!

he better just stick with his #9 Illics old number...=P
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CageEpidemic @ Jul 11 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^^^ he better not!

he better just stick with his #9 Illics old number...=P</div>
That's Yi's number
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jerkstore @ Jul 11 2008, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ooooh.... Wonder if Jarvis will take #24</div>

If Travis Best can come in and take Kmart's #6, anything is possible.
 
Just look at it this way.

The Nets got the most useful player available who was willing to take a two year deal for the LLE.

That's a coup. Lots of teams would love to have him for that price.
 
I like the signing and wouldn't be surprised if he outperforms Najera and Simmons at the 3. He'll get more minutes than he would have if he had stayed in Detroit, and perform well enough to get a better contract from some other team.
 
I guess I am the only one who sees this as a very stupid waste of money (even if it is cheap).

I sorta like the Najera signing. But why the hell did we waste money on Jarvis Hayes? He's garbage. And especially when we already have Simmons, Anderson and Najera at the 3 (with Yi playing a bit of that position too); and with Ager and CDR at the 2. Do we really need him? What happened to what Thorn was preaching about us developing players (ie- Anderson and CDR)? And I thought we needed a backup PG?

I bet he wont last on this team the whole season and gets dealt by the trade deadline. IMHO, and at the risk of being flamed here, this is a very stupid FA signing. But then again, this team in the Thorn era has had a long history of bad FA signings. This one just continues the streak.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Jul 12 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess I am the only one who sees this as a very stupid waste of money (even if it is cheap).

I like Najera signing. But why the hell did we waste money on Jarvis Hayes? He's garbage. And especially when we already have Simmons, Anderson, Ager and CDR. Do we really need him? I thought we needed a backup PG?

I bet he wont last on this team the whole season and gets dealt by the trade deadline. IMHO, and at the risk of being flamed here, this is a very stupid FA signing. But then again, this team in the Thorn era has had a long history of bad FA signings. This just continues the streak.</div>

I don't understand it either. However, the successful teams have capable players as their tenth-12th men. If that's all they see him as, that's fine.
 
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