Jason Quick Just Revealed...

[RR7]

Are GM's even allowed to talk trades right now?

Yes, they can talk and make trades once their season is over. Well, they can talk at any time, but can make trades now that their season is over. Just not with free agents.

 

[Stevenson]

I guess this then means "deal coming soon."

Finally!

 

[The Professional Fan]

Yes, they can talk and make trades once their season is over. Well, they can talk at any time, but can make trades now that their season is over. Just not with free agents.

Copy that.

 

[Draco]

As for medically retiring him, as I explained before, it was a set of unlikely circumstances that occurred to mess that up. And any contract we could have moved in him a trade for would have been worse by that point. It wouldn't have fixed our cap issue.

Malik Rose's contract ended one year before Miles. That extra year didn't matter to NY; they had a bunch of contracts running until this summer in 2010. But it mattered to our Blazers, they would have benefited from the extra cap space in 2009. Getting medical cap relief isn’t always easy in the NBA; that’s why at the time I was furious Miles wasn’t jettisoned in a Zach deal, if you wanted to ship out talent and gain future cap flexibility it needs to be an all or nothing decision. Going half-ass with a cap clearing strategy caused us to miss out on potential benefits of MLE signing players for multiple off-seasons and expiring contract trades.

Sure you can make a case the Miles medical fiasco was hard to foresee, just as it was hard to foresee Oden being a far inferior player to Durant. So that argument would be that KP made correct moves at the time but circumstances went against him. But then you have to look at moves the other way as well; the Turkoglu signing was a set of unlikely circumstances that prevented the signing at the 11th hour, KP had made the decision to target Hedo and even held back at the draft to position the team with cap space. Well circumstances benefited KP greatly in that his 3rd free agent choice of Miller clearly outplayed Hedo while having a far more reasonable salary.

 

[STOMP]

How could the Darius thing be KP's fault, when it was Paul Allen who got a boner for Darius and agreed to grossly overpay him?

I've heard this often asserted on this board, but there has never been a link provided that back this up. As far as I'm aware there has only been one public quote from PA on Darius which was when it became apparent that he could be traded for initially. Paraphrasing it went... "We can trade for DM? Cool!"

What we do know is that when he was resigned KP wasn't the GM, Nash was... Pritchard was in charge of scouting. Maybe he shoulders some blame for the way DM wrecked his knee being rushed back from the IR, but even that seems like a stretch. I don't see how he gets any blame on the contract.

STOMP

 

[maxiep]

Malik Rose's contract ended one year before Miles. That extra year didn't matter to NY; they had a bunch of contracts running until this summer in 2010. But it mattered to our Blazers, they would have benefited from the extra cap space in 2009. Getting medical cap relief isn’t always easy in the NBA; that’s why at the time I was furious Miles wasn’t jettisoned in a Zach deal, if you wanted to ship out talent and gain future cap flexibility it needs to be an all or nothing decision. Going half-ass with a cap clearing strategy caused us to miss out on potential benefits of MLE signing players for multiple off-seasons and expiring contract trades.

Sure you can make a case the Miles medical fiasco was hard to foresee, just as it was hard to foresee Oden being a far inferior player to Durant. So that argument would be that KP made correct moves at the time but circumstances went against him. But then you have to look at moves the other way as well; the Turkoglu signing was a set of unlikely circumstances that prevented the signing at the 11th hour, KP had made the decision to target Hedo and even held back at the draft to position the team with cap space. Well circumstances benefited KP greatly in that his 3rd free agent choice of Miller clearly outplayed Hedo while having a far more reasonable salary.

Look, you're preaching to the choir. You don't need to explain the situation to me because--as anyone from O-Live will attest--I was adamant that if we were going to get rid of Zach for scraps, we needed to get rid of Miles, too. However, if PA had a hard-on for Miles, how could Pritchard trade him?

I'm glad you understand that 20/20 hindsight is for whiners, but the balance overall has been toward KP. Sure, we dodged a bullet with Hedo, but otherwise KP has been as good as anyone in the league at building a team. FYI: Oden isn't a "far inferior" player to Durant; he's more injured. Even out of shape, Oden changes the entire game when he's playing.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

My guess would be Chris Paul.

 

[RoyToy]

Chris Paul just hired Monty Williams. No chance.

Tony Parker

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Parker didn't exactly light it up last season. IMO, he really doesn't qualify as a move that would save KP's job.

 

[RoyToy]

He's a clear upgrade over Miller and could possibly be the #2 option. It'd be a big move. Only 28.

 

[Minstrel]

Parker didn't exactly light it up last season.

One season, marred by injury, and he stops being a star? The four seasons before last year he had PERs of 20+. And his career DRtg is 103. He's 28 and excellent...he'd be an enormous move, as long as the team didn't have to give up Roy or Oden.

 

[Blaze01]

They would have to give up Aldridge......

I would do that in a second.....

 

[PtldPlatypus]

They would have to give up Aldridge......

I would do that in a second.....

Can we also include Bayless get the rights to Splitter?

 

[hasoos]

They would have to give up Aldridge......

I would do that in a second.....

Actually that is what came to mind for me quickly too. When Aldridge was drafted I was very happy we got him, and felt he had a ton of upside. Now I can't argue for him. Besides gaining some experience and composure, he really hasn't improved from his rookie year, and in some ways, has actually got worse. If you look at his stats, really the only thing that has improved from that year, is his number of minutes to produce.

So now that being said, would the move involved be...Chris Bosh?

 

[gatorpops]

Actually that is what came to mind for me quickly too. When Aldridge was drafted I was very happy we got him, and felt he had a ton of upside. Now I can't argue for him. Besides gaining some experience and composure, he really hasn't improved from his rookie year, and in some ways, has actually got worse. If you look at his stats, really the only thing that has improved from that year, is his number of minutes to produce.

So now that being said, would the move involved be...Chris Bosh?

Now this is a move I could agree with!

 

[Nikolokolus]

True, but then again, Penn was the cap guy, and I imagine he crafted the idea to try and have Darius medically retired. Had the Blazers just kept him and sat him, we would have had his cap space last summer.

wrong. His salary comes off the cap THIS year.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I think the thing was that if we'd have kept miles on the roster until after last year (2008-09)'s playoffs, no one could have poached him to play 10 games and messed with our cap space. If MEM had done what they did a in 2009-10 then it would've gone on 2009-10's lux tax, but not on the cap last summer, which no one would care about since we probably had blown our ~20M in cap space already.

 

[Draco]

So now that being said, would the move involved be...Chris Bosh?

Bosh for Aldridge would be awesome! It makes a lot of sense from Toronto’s end as they get a very nice piece on a cheaper contract. I think we are one of the few teams to have enough pieces to entice Toronto to make a deal while still being able to retain the talent to field a contending team.

The hard part would be convincing Bosh. He can team up with Wade in Miami or Lebron if he leaves Cleveland. Bosh submitted a list of teams and we were not on it. But if his first few free agent ideas don’t pan out perhaps to get his extra $30 million of guaranteed money by getting a sign and trade he warms up to the idea of playing in the NW.

 

[BGrantFan]

wrong. His salary comes off the cap THIS year.

Thanks for being the second to report this news to me!

 

[EGame]

Bosh for Aldridge would be awesome! It makes a lot of sense from Toronto’s end as they get a very nice piece on a cheaper contract. I think we are one of the few teams to have enough pieces to entice Toronto to make a deal while still being able to retain the talent to field a contending team.

The hard part would be convincing Bosh. He can team up with Wade in Miami or Lebron if he leaves Cleveland. Bosh submitted a list of teams and we were not on it. But if his first few free agent ideas don’t pan out perhaps to get his extra $30 million of guaranteed money by getting a sign and trade he warms up to the idea of playing in the NW.

Actually, unless we are the only ones offering a trade to Toronto for Bosh departing with our big man while no one else is (aka Bynum from the Lakers or whoever is trying to trade for Bosh), it actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Toronto. Sure, Aldridge is cheaper, but he also is no where near as good as Bosh and for his contract, I don't think Toronto would view Aldridge as worth it, especially when they want a legit center and not another PF since they have that in Bargani (probably spelled his name wrong). I think we have the pieces to do such a move and think Toronto would take Aldridge if we sweetened the deal a little more (minus Roy and Oden), but unless Bosh would like to play here, I have no interest in going after him.

 

[Sug]

Some people love KP because he gives access, ironically that might be what got him in trouble. At the same time he did talk PA into the Miles deal, the Milsap mishap, the Turkey-glue turd, Jack for Bayless over better pgs, the Rudy Duty, Patty Cake Mills, etc. Put the whole Oden situation on top of that, and then realize that Andre Miller fell into KP's lap.

Roy and LMA were clear wins, but who is to say that PA was not the main push behind Roy...

Some of you are Pritchblind, and it makes sense that you are because you have a man-crush on him.

 

[e_blazer]

Some people love KP because he gives access, ironically that might be what got him in trouble. At the same time he did talk PA into the Miles deal, the Milsap mishap, the Turkey-glue turd, Jack for Bayless over better pgs, the Rudy Duty, Patty Cake Mills, etc. Put the whole Oden situation on top of that, and then realize that Andre Miller fell into KP's lap.

Roy and LMA were clear wins, but who is to say that PA was not the main push behind Roy...

Some of you are Pritchblind, and it makes sense that you are because you have a man-crush on him.

You just have to love it around here when somebody says something like this. Basically, you're giving your opinion about KP's record, based upon a whole bunch of suppositions about who was in favor of what (without any inside knowledge) and then saying that if anybody doesn't hold the same view, they're "Pritchblind". Not much point in having a Blazers forum, I guess. Just ask Sug and he'll let you know what you should think.

 

[RR7]

Some people love KP because he gives access, ironically that might be what got him in trouble. At the same time he did talk PA into the Miles deal, the Milsap mishap, the Turkey-glue turd, Jack for Bayless over better pgs, the Rudy Duty, Patty Cake Mills, etc. Put the whole Oden situation on top of that, and then realize that Andre Miller fell into KP's lap.

Roy and LMA were clear wins, but who is to say that PA was not the main push behind Roy...

Some of you are Pritchblind, and it makes sense that you are because you have a man-crush on him.

Hmm, maybe you're just posting to hear yourself post, in which case I shouldn't respond. But you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Mills was PA's choice. Miles was P.A.'s choice in not trading him sooner. P.A. loved him some Rudy, and thinks he could be a future All Star. Not K.P., Allen. Milsap mishap? Meh, it sounded good, better than the rest of the shit coming out of your ass. What PGs did he draft Bayless over exactly? Get a fucking clue.

 

[Sug]

You just have to love it around here when somebody says something like this. Basically, you're giving your opinion about KP's record, based upon a whole bunch of suppositions about who was in favor of what (without any inside knowledge) and then saying that if anybody doesn't hold the same view, they're "Pritchblind". Not much point in having a Blazers forum, I guess. Just ask Sug and he'll let you know what you should think.

Actually the point is pretty simple, some people feel KP can do no wrong and that PA is clearly the bad guy. I think it is important that none of us know the truth, and therefore everything is an opinion. I am not sure where I made the case that everyone should feel the same way I do, but rather gave my view. It is a forum and if I post something you do not agree with then tough shit.

 

[MARIS61]

The wording makes it sound like we're getting 3 players for 1 of ours.

The 3 would have to be either old has-beens, head-cases, or picks.

The 1 would be a core player.

Sounds like a horrible idea, like last season's moves but far worse.

 

[Sug]

Mills was PA's choice

KP has always been very keen on the guy, and has gone out of his way to talk about his potential.

Miles was P.A.'s choice in not trading him sooner

I was talking about the medical retirement, which was KP and TP convincing PA.

P.A. loved him some Rudy, and thinks he could be a future All Star.

Yes he loved him some Rudy, especially after KP talked him up to no end. I remember listening to KP brag about going to Spain to scout Rudy, and how he knew a long time ago that Rudy was going to be a "special" player, he was right because Rudy is now a "special" needs player. Also KP has said many times that Rudy has the potential to be a "star" in the NBA.

Milsap mishap?

I like how you gloss over that whole silly chapter. It was stupid and KP got in front of the camera with his car salesman smile and talked about the "toxic" offer bullshit. Nice try slick.

What PGs did he draft Bayless over exactly? Get a fucking clue.

Well for one he traded Jack & the 13th for Bayless. That is a pretty bad trade in hindsight, and by "better pgs" I mean that you could have gotten a better PG with that package.

I notice you totally avoided the whole Hedo mess.

I like KP, he is a good GM. He is not a god, but some people think the dude is savior. They totally disrespect the fact that without PA's resources the majority of KP's moves would never happen. I am just saying the thumb is on scale for KP around here.

 

[ABM]

The wording makes it sound like we're getting 3 players for 1 of ours.

The 3 would have to be either old has-beens, head-cases, or picks.

The 1 would be a core player.

Sounds like a horrible idea, like last season's moves but far worse.

The way I heard it, Quick made it sound like a consolidation trade on our end. In other words, 2 or 3 of ours for 1 of theirs. I would surmise that it would be three of our average to better guys for an A-S quality player.

 

[Sug]

The way I heard it, Quick made it sound like a consolidation trade on our end. In other words, 2 or 3 of ours for 1 of theirs. I would surmise that it would be three of our average to better guys for an A-S quality player.

Well if the move is designed to save KP's job then it better involve getting back an all-star or near all-star with more potential and/or talent than LMA. Plus this player better have some tread on the tire, because LMA is still young.

 

[hasoos]

Actually the point is pretty simple, some people feel KP can do no wrong and that PA is clearly the bad guy. I think it is important that none of us know the truth, and therefore everything is an opinion. I am not sure where I made the case that everyone should feel the same way I do, but rather gave my view. It is a forum and if I post something you do not agree with then tough shit.

Sure they do. But a lot of them don't feel that way, they feel as you do, they don't know what really happened, and feel from what they know it is not enough for him to be fired, and they are happy with his performance. Just because from what they know they don't think the dude should be fired, doesn't necessarily make them KP worshippers. I pretty much think the KP worship days ended when RLEC went out the window. I haven't seen anybody that is KP blind really since that happened. There was a long streak of luck and it seemed like KP was on a roll, the team on the upswing. Then it ended, and since then, most folks on this board, have been pretty skeptical of KP IMO. Not KP worshippers. So stop living in the past dude. The days of the KP worshippers on this board have been long gone for a while now.

 

[BGrantFan]

Well if the move is designed to save KP's job then it better involve getting back an all-star or near all-star with more potential and/or talent than LMA. Plus this player better have some tread on the tire, because LMA is still young.

I'm assuming that the deal would be to improve the Blazers instead of saving Pritchard's job, but then again, I'm probably just "Pritchblind" and not as knowledgeable as you seem to think you are.