Jason Terry as an option?

[shamelessblazer]

I'll give credit where credit is due, a thread was started over on realgm bringing this up...

But I really like the thought of Jason Terry as a vet mentor on the blazers for the next couple of years. I haven't put a lot of thought into it because I don't really see the Mavs letting him go (as a fan favorite who can shoot and play good D), but Terry's always been a high character guy (right?), I like his age and contract (as far as letting Bayless/Rudy have a bigger role as he fades out), and he's Martell's cousin right?

We've had fairly good luck with Seattle guys so far you know (though i'm not advocating for Nate Robinson).

If we could move Blake and just straight up absorb Terry (and take the cap hit) I'd like it a lot. I'd even go Blake/Outlaw for Terry actually. And I think Terry (as a shoot-first Arizona guard) would be the right guy to teach Bayless the ropes if anyone is.

draft Beabois with the #24 and sign Mcdyess

Terry/Bayless/Beabois
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/Mcdyess/Freeland
Oden/Pryzbilla

What would it take to get Terry from Dallas?

 

[Haakzilla]

Deal...sold!!!

 

[Natebishop3]

I think that Jason Terry is a perfect version of Steve Blake. I still think we need a real point guard though.

Andre Miller or bust.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

so we use all of our cap flexibility that we've been building for 3 years to get...Jason Terry?

 

[Tince]

The only problem with this trade, is that Dallas would have to agree to it, and that wouldn't ever happen. Cuban isn't one of those guys looking to save money. Terry was one of their 3 most valuable players.

 

[B-Roy]

I think we should stick to Nash and Curry. Best option.

If we have anything left over, we can pursue Iggy!

 

[shamelessblazer]

so we use all of our cap flexibility that we've been building for 3 years to get...Jason Terry?

What about Blake/Outlaw for Terry/#22

We would be using our cap flexibility, but still have around 5 million left over (Terry makes about the same as Blake/Outlaw). He could bring for us everything Blake does, with more experience, D, and court vision, and more than pick up the scoring of Travis. His money would come off the books as Rudy/Oden/Bayless/Batum got new deals.

with the 22/24 we could grab Beaubois/Claver and stash em or other good prospects.

 

[ebott]

I think the Mavs would laugh at that deal. If we included Rudy they wouldn't laugh as much. But I don't think they'd even do that deal.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Let me put it this way: If Jason Terry were already on our team and did the things he does I'd be pretty reluctant to get rid of him and look for somebody else, but the idea of trading for him (depending on what it would take in trade) just doesn't get me all that excited.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure this team has enough jump shooters and a dearth of playmakers outside of Brandon -- maybe that actually is the best configuration for a Blazers backcourt (Brandon the defacto point, and the point the defacto shooting guard) but if we're going to trade for a point who likes to catch and shoot and play both guard spots I think I'd rather put my energy into going after a guy like Hinrich so I can get the shooting and the defense.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Jason Terry is to the Mavs what Travis Outlaw is to us, they mean more (and are viewed as more valuable) to their respective teams than to other teams around the league

 

[SteelBlaze1]

Jason Terry is to the Mavs what Travis Outlaw is to us, they mean more (and are viewed as more valuable) to their respective teams than to other teams around the league

Except I don't know that Outlaw is that valuable to us??

 

[MAS RipCity]

KP sure seems to think so and he is the one calling the shots

 

[SteelBlaze1]

True...

 

[alex42083]

I wouldn't mind having Terry for his offense, but his defense is pretty terrible. He'll be 32 and will be making a lot of money. In the end, I don't think he's the answer we're looking for. I wish there was some defensive-minded PG out there who can also shoot 3s pretty well.

 

[shamelessblazer]

Let me put it this way: If Jason Terry were already on our team and did the things he does I'd be pretty reluctant to get rid of him and look for somebody else, but the idea of trading for him (depending on what it would take in trade) just doesn't get me all that excited.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure this team has enough jump shooters and a dearth of playmakers outside of Brandon -- maybe that actually is the best configuration for a Blazers backcourt (Brandon the defacto point, and the point the defacto shooting guard) but if we're going to trade for a point who likes to catch and shoot and play both guard spots I think I'd rather put my energy into going after a guy like Hinrich so I can get the shooting and the defense.

I think Terry's just as good of a defender as Hinrich, and brings along a lot more of the playmaker skills and vet experience. I really like the age, because as he fades out, Rudy/Bayless etc come into their own. I don't particularly like the thought of bringing any big name guys under the age of 28 in personally (unless they'd be an awesome fit with our core - Hinrich doesn't qualify)

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I think Terry's just as good of a defender as Hinrich, and brings along a lot more of the playmaker skills and vet experience. I really like the age, because as he fades out, Rudy/Bayless etc come into their own. I don't particularly like the thought of bringing any big name guys under the age of 28 in personally (unless they'd be an awesome fit with our core - Hinrich doesn't qualify)

Terry shoots the ball every time he touches it and is not much of a playmaker or defender. IMO Hinrich is a way better fit.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think Terry's just as good of a defender as Hinrich, and brings along a lot more of the playmaker skills and vet experience. I really like the age, because as he fades out, Rudy/Bayless etc come into their own. I don't particularly like the thought of bringing any big name guys under the age of 28 in personally (unless they'd be an awesome fit with our core - Hinrich doesn't qualify)

With all due respect what exactly are you basing this "he's as good of a defender as Hinrich" business? Terry has a career defensive rating of 114 points per 100 possessions, Hinrich has a career defensive rating of 107 points per 100 possessions and with just the eye test I know Hinrich is a much more committed and active defender. As for the so-called playmaking ability of Terry, he doesn't really have any; he's a spot up 3 point shooter, Hinrich isn't necessarily a pure point guard either but he runs the pick and roll pretty well and he'll be 29 next year, so I'm not really sure how that breaks your "big name under 28" rule -- and it's only my opinion, but I think he'd fit in just fine with this group, especially with his ability to play both guard spots.

 

[Draco]

I'd love to get either one of Hinrich or Terry, if we can get either one for cheap. I'd think Kirk would be an easier target as cap relief would be more valuable to their owner.

 

[NJNetz]

brings along a lot more of the playmaker skills

You're wrong. Terry is a shooter.

 

[shamelessblazer]

With all due respect what exactly are you basing this "he's as good of a defender as Hinrich" business? Terry has a career defensive rating of 114 points per 100 possessions, Hinrich has a career defensive rating of 107 points per 100 possessions and with just the eye test I know Hinrich is a much more committed and active defender. As for the so-called playmaking ability of Terry, he doesn't really have any; he's a spot up 3 point shooter, Hinrich isn't necessarily a pure point guard either but he runs the pick and roll pretty well and he'll be 29 next year, so I'm not really sure how that breaks your "big name under 28" rule -- and it's only my opinion, but I think he'd fit in just fine with this group, especially with his ability to play both guard spots.

While Hinrich likely defends the bigger guards better, I think we would find Terry's defense on speedier guys and his edge in quickness and experience on Hinrich much more appealing.

Here's where I found he's a good defender and can run the point well:

Offense: Very aggressive guard who can really light it up when given the green light. Has a sweet stroke, and can knock down shots from anywhere. Always looks smooth when shooting. Doesn’t take long to set his feet and pull the trigger. Lights out when left open. Pretty good with a hand in his face as well. Good ball handler. Likes to pull up for jumpers when attacking right. Takes the ball to the rim when driving left. Prefers going right. Displays a very good crossover when the defense recovers. Doesn’t go to the line very often. Seldom turns the ball over, but has seen his ball-handling role decrease year by year. Solid passer. Doesn’t do anything fancy, but sets up his teammates well within the offense. Very efficient scoring guard. Not afraid to take responsibilities.

Defense: A very talented defensive guard. Has the size, length, and lateral quickness combination necessary to guard both point guards and shooting guards effectively. This allows him to stay on the floor with most anyone next to him. Very good at moving his feet to deny penetration. Will jump into passing lanes and take bad passes the other way for easy transition baskets. Sneaks down into the paint to grab rebounds so he can push the break from time to time. Can get beaten by players who are considerably bigger and strong on the perimeter. Gives a good effort for a player that is so offensive minded.

From Draftexpress.com posted 1 year ago

 

[shamelessblazer]

You're wrong. Terry is a shooter.

next to Ason Kidd, but the story may be different if he were next to Brandon Roy.

 

[Nikolokolus]

While Hinrich likely defends the bigger guards better, I think we would find Terry's defense on speedier guys and his edge in quickness and experience on Hinrich much more appealing.

Here's where I found he's a good defender and can run the point well:

From Draftexpress.com posted 1 year ago

I'm not sure where draftexpress.com got that scouting report on Terry but I've watched him play for years now and I've never thought to myself "hey, he's a good defender."

Just because I'm a stats geek I decided to compare the two players using 82games.com. Pay careful attention to the "floor time stats by position" and "player 48-minute production by position" for Terry and then for Hinrich. Terry was dreadful at point guard the little he played there last year, Hinrich wasn't exactly a world beater in PER differential, but his +10 differential in offense to defense rating as a point guard is fantastic.

The simple fact is that there really aren't any lockdown, shutdown, point guard defenders in the league anymore with the current handcheck rules; what I look for in a good gaurd or perimeter defender is how well they rotate and play team defense or if they are able to guard more than one position effectively.

In counterpoint to your draftexpress scouting report on his defense, here's what Hollinger had to say:

Scouting report: Terry is 31 but appears to have lost very little of his trademark speed, a talent he desperately needs in order to make up for his size limitations at shooting guard. He's a great jump shooter off the dribble, especially going to his right, but also is a strong spot-up shooter from the 3-point line. Additionally, he can get out in transition for easy buckets. However, he's more of a shooter than a passer and doesn't see the floor particularly well; he also tends to use a pick-and-roll for a jumper rather than penetrating to the basket.

Defensively, Terry has trouble against big guards but the pairing with Jason Kidd should allow him to cross-mach most of the game and keep him away from the most problematic size pairings. He rarely takes charges or sticks his nose into the fray underneath, but this at least lets him stay on the court -- he played all 82 games last season and has only missed 12 in his nine-year career.