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Boob-No-More said:
So is McGee - after 5 years in the league. The difference is Leonard has a chance to get better. You constantly bash Leaonard for his poor instincts on defense. McGee's are worse. He tries to block EVERYTHING and constantly leaves his man wide open under the basket. Gives up WAY too many easy baskets and offensive rebounds. Forget the individual stats and look at his advanced team stats on 82games.com. There's a reason he rides the pine behind Kosta Koufos. The guy kills his team when he's on the court. In terms of team defense, we'd be better resigning Hickson. Seriously, that's how bad McGee is.

BNM
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This is exactly it. Throw out his numbers and just do the eye test. He has an Outlaw BBIQ and is a horrid one on one defender. Wizard fans and Denver fans made/make fun of his defense all the time because outside of blocking shots he has no D.
Blocking shots does not make you a good defensive player just like stealing the ball doesn't make you a good defender.

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Does McGee move the needle?

If so, go for it. If not, maybe find someone cheaper and find a player at another position who does.

-my guess at Olshey's thinking.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yeah, but he had great instincts. Sort of the anti-McGee in that regard.

BNM
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In all seriousness, I'm not sure McGee has bad instincts, or even low basketball IQ. I think it is more trying to do too much. Or maybe ADHD? He has skills. I watch a few of his games each year and he rolls when he is supposed to roll, he rotates on both ends well. What he also does though is take the ball from end line to end line instead of giving it up to a guard. Or try a dream shake when he has poor offensive footwork.

Maybe simply immature like Leonard is supposedly?
 
Mediocre Man said:
In all seriousness, I'm not sure McGee has bad instincts, or even low basketball IQ. I think it is more trying to do too much. Or maybe ADHD? He has skills. I watch a few of his games each year and he rolls when he is supposed to roll, he rotates on both ends well. What he also does though is take the ball from end line to end line instead of giving it up to a guard. Or try a dream shake when he has poor offensive footwork.

Maybe simply immature like Leonard is supposedly?
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Whether it's instinct, or a learned behavior, he puts way too much priority on getting as many blocks as possible and that causes him to be out of position and give up way to many easy baskets and offensive rebounds. Chris Andersen was the same way. I believe had incentive clauses written into his contract based on how many blocks he got, if he led the league in blocked shots, etc. The result was him chasing guards and small forwards around the key and leaving his man wide open under the basket.

If McGee is still immature after five years in the league, why do you want him? Do you think he's suddenly going to grow up and become coachable? If Leonard is "supposedly" immature, at least he seems like a hard worker who is willing to listen to his coaches. George Karl basically gave up on McGee and went with Koufos, and Denver is a better team for it. And it's not like Koufos is a defensive stopper. He just plays within himself, knows his limits and knows where he needs to be on defense. He boxes out and rebounds well. He doesn't have the gaudy individual stats McGee has, but he's so much better fundamentally, and Denver plays better when he's on the floor.

I'm hopeful Leonard can become a similar player defensively and I think he'll be better offensively. Koufos is a good example of what happens when a young player is willing to listen to his coaches and improve his weaknesses. He's nowhere near the athlete McGee or Leonard are, but he's a rock solid starting center (PER = 17.3) on a team that's won 55 games and counting. And, he's younger than McGee, too. Too bad he's not available, but he's the reason McGee is.

BNM
 
Javale McGee is one of the reasons I'm not too high on Leonard. They're similar when it comes to not knowing what to do. I made that comparison after the first summer league game.

McGee at least gets rebounds and blks, though. He even had a way better rookie year than Meyers.

Meyers Leonard is just soft.
 
Mediocre Man said:
In all seriousness, I'm not sure McGee has bad instincts, or even low basketball IQ. I think it is more trying to do too much. Or maybe ADHD? He has skills. I watch a few of his games each year and he rolls when he is supposed to roll, he rotates on both ends well. What he also does though is take the ball from end line to end line instead of giving it up to a guard. Or try a dream shake when he has poor offensive footwork.

Maybe simply immature like Leonard is supposedly?
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Do you think Koufos is better than McGee?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Moses Malone was dumb as a post too
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I know boob addressed this earlier, but there's a few things that separate McGee from Moses.

the most glaring thing is talent.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Do you think Koufos is better than McGee?
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This guy sure does:

http://www.warriorsworld.net/2013/0...purs-dominance-and-grizzliesnuggets-slugfest/

http://www.warriorsworld.net/2013/03/25/smooths-starting-five-part-ii/

A few tidbits:

How good has Koufos been for Denver this year? Take a seat. You’re going to need it.

Kosta Koufos has started all 66-games for Denver this season. After chocking up 2397 total minutes in his first four seasons combined, the former Buckeye has played a career-high 1499-minutes during 2012-13. Koufos is ranked third in the league in field goal percentage (.614) behind only Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan. Koufos is posting a career-high 18.2 PER (Player Efficiency Rating), ranking him sixth in the league among true centers, ahead of such names as Omer Asik, Roy Hibbert, DeAndre Jordan, and Joakim Noah.

When Koufos is on the floor for Denver, the Nuggets have the most prolific offense in the league — ahead of even the Oklahoma City Thunder — scoring 113.0 points per 100-possessions. Nearly as impressive, the Nuggets also hold the league’s ninth-best defense with him on the floor, allowing only 103.7 points per 100-possessions. #1 offense. #9 defense. With Koufos off the floor, Denver sports the league’s eighth-ranked offense (scoring 108.2 points per 100-possessions) and 20th-ranked defense (allowing 106.7 points per 100-possessions). #8 offense. #20 defense.

With Kosta Koufos on the floor: #1 offense. #9 defense.

With Kosta Koufos off the floor: #8 offense. #20 defense.

Kosta Koufos improves Denver by 7.7 points per 100-possessions. Some of that definitely has to do with the quality of his backup at center. JaVale McGee is just that bad, essentially rendering everything Koufos does in his time on the court before him moot. Still, there aren’t many players in the league who have that kind of impact on their team’s performance. All that for just $9 million over three years.

JaVale McGee is a terrible basketball player that makes his team worse at both ends of the floor. When McGee apologists mention his phenomenal production as justification for increased playing time, they only hurt their own reputation.

When I discussed the underrated Kosta Koufos in this column’s premier edition last week, I did so with little context given as to the quality of his backup. As such, Koufos’ impact becomes much more exaggerated when you take into account his replacement.

Hopefully, George Karl and his staff have their wits about them in the playoffs and realize McGee cannot see the floor for more than 10-minutes per night. Because with McGee, Denver is an also-ran. But without him, they’re a legit contender.

Center is the most important position on the floor for an NBA team. If you’re in the business of letting JaVale McGee have the most important job in your organization, you’re in the wrong business. Period.
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BNM
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Do you think Koufos is better than McGee?
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No. Safer though


Also Konstantine Demetrios Koufos screams white American born center. Might as well be Bob Smith.


I believe what I believe, and 99% of you think I am an idiot for it. Let's move on, and you can all start bashing me again when Leonard does anything
 
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Who wants to pay McGee $11m/year for the next 3 years?

I'd take him at the MLE, but his contract is ridiculous. Denver would probably give him away if they could.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Why do you think Koufos plays more than McGee and they do better with him? Is playing Koufos more bad coaching?
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When did I ever say anything about bad coaching? In fact, I have been lobbying for most of the year for Stotts to start Leonard.


Not sure why Koufos plays more?

Per 36, Koufos shoots slightly better from the field, rebounds a bit better and doesn't shoot as much

Per 36 McGee has a better PER, blocks more shots and shoots slightly better from the line

McGee turns the ball over more while Koufos commits slightly more fouls.

McGee has a better defensive rating, while Koufos has a much better offensive rating.

I guess it depends on what you want, and Denver seems to want the better offensive guy in there and someone that doesn't need as many touches.
 
I had no idea he is paid that much. Crazy.
 
Don't get Kostas Koufos; he won't stay with a name like that. Hollywood will make him a star.
 
Javale McGee or DeAndre, I wouldn't mind that at all.

Athletic 7 footers are never bad to have - that aren't inept at defense.
 
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