Jaynes: Next Blazer trade will be painful....

[MIXUM]

Jason Quick of The Oregonian made a great point this morning on the Morning Sports Page on 95.5 The Game.

We were talking about a potential Portland trade for a big man, someone who could play power forward or center. I think, by the way, such a deal is essential for the future — an insurance policy against the questions about Greg Oden’s long-term health and just another big body to bring the roster into better balance.

Quick mentioned that he thought Kevin Pritchard was out there trying to make something happen but that a deal like that probably will mean a painful parting from the Portland roster. “It’s going to hurt,” he said.

And he is so right.

Obviously, to get something you have to give up something. Nobody is going to hand you a quality player in exchange for your garbage. At least one and maybe two very talented players are going to have to leave. And the organization and its fans are particularly attached to this group.

It’s going to hurt, Blazer fans — whether that deal happens before the trading deadline this season or sometime in the distant future. A tear or two will be shed.

And I hope the front office is willing to deal with that, too.





after watching todays game... bayless or rudy wont pain me at all if we get a quality center

 

[e_blazer]

after watching todays game... bayless or rudy wont pain me at all if we get a quality center

You're the master of the one game take.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Jason Quick of The Oregonian made a great point this morning on the Morning Sports Page on 95.5 The Game.

We were talking about a potential Portland trade for a big man, someone who could play power forward or center. I think, by the way, such a deal is essential for the future — an insurance policy against the questions about Greg Oden’s long-term health and just another big body to bring the roster into better balance.

Quick mentioned that he thought Kevin Pritchard was out there trying to make something happen but that a deal like that probably will mean a painful parting from the Portland roster. “It’s going to hurt,” he said.

And he is so right.

Obviously, to get something you have to give up something. Nobody is going to hand you a quality player in exchange for your garbage. At least one and maybe two very talented players are going to have to leave. And the organization and its fans are particularly attached to this group.

It’s going to hurt, Blazer fans — whether that deal happens before the trading deadline this season or sometime in the distant future. A tear or two will be shed.

And I hope the front office is willing to deal with that, too.





after watching todays game... bayless or rudy wont pain me at all if we get a quality center

OK.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

You're the master of the one game take.

<Yoda> No... there is another. </Yoda>

 

[Nikolokolus]

You're the master of the one game take.

No, Kingspeed holds that crown firmly in his grasp.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Jason Quick of The Oregonian made a great point this morning on the Morning Sports Page on 95.5 The Game.

We were talking about a potential Portland trade for a big man, someone who could play power forward or center. I think, by the way, such a deal is essential for the future — an insurance policy against the questions about Greg Oden’s long-term health and just another big body to bring the roster into better balance.

Quick mentioned that he thought Kevin Pritchard was out there trying to make something happen but that a deal like that probably will mean a painful parting from the Portland roster. “It’s going to hurt,” he said.

And he is so right.

Obviously, to get something you have to give up something. Nobody is going to hand you a quality player in exchange for your garbage. At least one and maybe two very talented players are going to have to leave. And the organization and its fans are particularly attached to this group.

It’s going to hurt, Blazer fans — whether that deal happens before the trading deadline this season or sometime in the distant future. A tear or two will be shed.

And I hope the front office is willing to deal with that, too.





after watching todays game... bayless or rudy wont pain me at all if we get a quality center

First, all this is pure speculation. Second, we have a lot to give that may actually help the team as we have too much duplication- so I doubt it would be painful at all.

 

[MIXUM]

i think hes saying bayless, rudy, or batum who are fan faves

 

[Minstrel]

My guess is he means painful to the players, not the fans. As in, a locker room fave like Blake or Outlaw may be out-going.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You're the master of the one game take.

True, he said "after today's game", but I've personally been in favor of dealing Rudy since the offseason. If Rudy/Travis can get us something that the team needs (ie, a decent center), I don't think that would hurt much at all.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

My guess is he means painful to the players, not the fans. As in, a locker room fave like Blake or Outlaw may be out-going.

I assumed he meant painful to KP, as in he'll have to literally have to give up an arm and a leg for a decent player.

 

[BlazersBlood]

I don't understand. Why can't we just trade our garbage for quality?

 

[Nikolokolus]

I don't understand. Why can't we just trade our garbage for quality?

It's crazy.

 

[Luther]

Rudy, maybe. Bayless, doubtful. Batum, absolutely not.

 

[MIXUM]

the reason i doubt we trade rudy is cause he actually is huge for merchandise sales. in the nba... thats a big thing.

i think its a package of outlaw, batum, and blake

 

[DaRizzle]

the reason i doubt we trade rudy is cause he actually is huge for merchandise sales. in the nba... thats a big thing.

You can trade with Euro teams?

 

[Nikolokolus]

the reason i doubt we trade rudy is cause he actually is huge for merchandise sales. in the nba... thats a big thing.

i think its a package of outlaw, batum, and blake

OK. For whom?

 

[RR7]

I wonder if Martell's improvement recently has made KP more apt to trade Batum. I would doubt it, especially if he wouldn't last year for Gerald Wallace. I would certainly hope he wouldn't this season for a small help at C, but who knows.

 

[BlazersBlood]

I'm ok with losing Rudy as long as we keep Bayless. We need one of the two to come off the bench as instant offense.

I'd be really torn to lose Batum. I think he has a highest ceiling out of any of our wing players besides Brandon and has a very good chance of getting close to it. He's got swagger and he's still very young.

 

[Kaydow]

Are you sure he didn't say "The next trade will be just too painful for KP to make"?

 

[Blaze01]

Batum is probably the most palatable of the three to be traded....

You have Webster whose play has been good lately, you have Roy & Rudy, either who clould slide to the SF spot against certain teams, and you have a young prospect in Claver overseas...and that is not counting Outlaw....Your dealing from a position of strength...

and I agree Rudy is a fan fave, but beyond that he is probably the most skilled b\t Bayless, Batum and himself.....

 

[Nikolokolus]

Batum is probably the most palatable of the three to be traded....

You have Webster whose play has been good lately, you have Roy & Rudy, either who clould slide to the SF spot against certain teams, and you have a young prospect in Claver overseas...and that is not counting Outlaw....Your dealing from a position of strength...

and I agree Rudy is a fan fave, but beyond that he is probably the most skilled b\t Bayless, Batum and himself.....

Webster has improved defensively, but he's certainly still no stopper and as for the assertion that Rudy is the most "skilled" between he, Bayless and Nic, which skills are you referring to? Defense, ball-handling, ability to dribble drive, shooting? I think he makes some nice passes and when he's hot shooting the ball he's scorching, but defensively I don't think he fits all that well into the scheme at all. I guess I'd take Nic's D and "glue guy" game and Jerryd's ball handling and defensive potential (still needs work) if you made me pick between all three.

 

[MickZagger]

Two guys who aren't going anywhere are Bayless and Batum. Bank on that. Due to age, upside, strengths in their game, they won't be going nowhere. Especially not for a stop-gap center.

 

[Kaydow]

Batum is probably the most palatable of the three to be traded....

You have Webster whose play has been good lately, you have Roy & Rudy, either who clould slide to the SF spot against certain teams, and you have a young prospect in Claver overseas...and that is not counting Outlaw....Your dealing from a position of strength...

and I agree Rudy is a fan fave, but beyond that he is probably the most skilled b\t Bayless, Batum and himself.....

I don't agree. Rudy is the guy I would move. To me, he's the LEAST versatile of the 3. Bayless can get to the foul line and he's STARTING (not quite there) to make better decisions with the ball and find open guys. Batum has some nifty moves around the basket and he may end up being a reliable shooter - Rice said he watched Batum shoot before the game today and he didn't miss for 10 straight minutes, and we already know about his defense.

Rudy makes some flashy passes, will catch/flush a few lobs, and fill the lanes pretty well when we blowing somebody out. How many times does Rudy creating something turn out well in close games? He just seems soft to me, and he's pretty close to a liability defensively. Plus he gets pissy about his role/playing time.

 

[MickZagger]

Batum isn't going anywhere, anybody who thinks that needs to put down the pipe. Give me a break, a 20 year old defensive specialist who is showing encouraging signs of becoming an offensive player. I think some of you who are talking about Batum in trades should youtube some clips of Batum last year.

 

[RR7]

I think, if we're trying to judge which of those three it would be, you'd have to look at subsitution patterns, IMO, and who could or might be on the floor with others at the same time. I can't honsetly see many situations where Martell and Nic would ever be on the floor at the same time, except for 1 possession type of situations, like a last second in bounds type of thing, or if there was a lot of foul trouble. But going into next season, obviously the big IF being full health, I can see Bayless on the floor with Roy, with Rudy, with Miller, with Blake, with Martell, with Batum. So he can fit at the 1 or 2. I can see Rudy on the floor alongside Brandon, alongside Bayless, Miller, Blake, Martell and Batum. Batum, I can see alongside all except for Martell. Sure, one of them COULD be at the 2. Maybe we'd see a really big lineup of Roy, Martell, Batum, but you just don't have the ball handling there you do with the other lineups. We absolutely NEED 2 people on the floor at all times who can create with the ball. At least, in my opinion. Miller, Bayless, Roy, and Rudy(to a lesser extent) all can. Martell is getting a tiny bit better, and will iprove there, IMO, but still shoudl be viewed as more of a shotoer, as well as Blake. And Batum.

I absolutely do not want to get rid of Batum. I love him and his potential, and would be upset to see him go, so I hope that this doesn't come across that I want a short term fix trade getting rid of him. My thinking is just that, with improved play from Martell, he becomes a possibility. Everyone talks about Rudy backing up Roy, but so many teams go small for stretches that it's easy to find time on the floor for oth of them at the same time. I don't see it being the same with Batum and Martell. It seems like they would essentially have a 24 minute split with eachother each game, where you ride the hot hand. Not sure if that maximizes what we can get out of either of them, though. I dunno.

 

[MARIS61]

...after watching todays game... bayless or rudy wont pain me at all if we get a quality center

In order to get a quality center, we would have to give up either Roy, LaMarcus, or either Miller and 2 rotation players or Blake and 2 rotation players or Joel and 2 rotation players.

And someone would have to be deep enough at center to want to do it.

We will NOT get a quality center in a trade this year.

Unless it's Camby.

 

[Nikolokolus]

In order to get a quality center, we would have to give up either Roy, LaMarcus, or either Miller and 2 rotation players or Blake and 2 rotation players or Joel and 2 rotation players.

And someone would have to be deep enough at center to want to do it.

We will NOT get a quality center in a trade this year.

Unless it's Camby.

I think I'd seriously consider offering the Wizards some of our stashed Euros like Petteri, Freeland, Claver, plus a couple of expiring contracts like Blake and Trav. That team needs to rebuild, and those rights are somewhat unlikely to ever be exercised in Portland given the stacked nature of our roster -- I'm not sure if that really enough, but I'd use it as a starting point in negotiations.

 

[BlazersBlood]

As far as long-term potential, Rudy doesn't seem like he'd resign here as a backup 2. But I don't like the idea of trading him for a stop gap PF or C. We need consolidation...I'm just not sure which way to go without getting the short end of a trade.

 

[BlazersBlood]

In order to get a quality center, we would have to give up either Roy, LaMarcus, or either Miller and 2 rotation players or Blake and 2 rotation players or Joel and 2 rotation players.

And someone would have to be deep enough at center to want to do it.

We will NOT get a quality center in a trade this year.

Unless it's Camby.

No kidding. Yeah, how many "quality" centers are there in the league? And how many teams are looking for one? And the biggest question, what GM would be dumb enough to trade the rarest commodity in the NBA? Thinking we could just package a few of our guys to get one in return is just plain retarded.

 

[e_blazer]

Not too much consensus around here. Sounds like there's going to be fans ticked off one way or another regardless of who is traded.