Jaynes: Unbalanced trade coming. BE: It could be for Nash

[SlyPokerDog]

Re: Unbalanced Trade?

I like Nash, a lot to give up for him though for 2-3? years tops worth of play?

and I don't think this team is one player (nash) away from being an NBA contender, if Allen and mgmt really believe that then they are fucking delusional....

This team can't even get out of the 1st round...and adding Nash suddenly propels them to NBA title contenders? I don't think so.....

You're forgetting that we're going to have a 100% healthy and happy Oden for the entire season!

 

[RoyToy]

A lot of this doesn't really bother me

I'd like to see a different starting PG
Fine with moving Batum
Fine with trying to win now

Just not sure if Nash is the right guy. He's 37 and he has back issues. Nate wouldn't be able to ride him like he likes to ride a lot of his starters, and he's only going to keep declining.

Pass.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Re: Unbalanced Trade?

You're forgetting that we're going to have a 100% healthy and happy Oden for the entire season!

Didnt his agent say recently that he wont be ready until January? I'll be happy to wait that long if it means he wont get hurt again and be a productive Trail Blazer for 4-5 more years!!!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

nash
wes/roy
crash
lma
oden/camby

is fucking rad

 

[Minstrel]

nash
wes/roy
crash
lma
oden/camby

And then switch out Camby (and, like, Rudy) for Iguodala. Radder!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Seriously sticking Nash into Nate's slow ass offense would just be cruel.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Seriously sticking Nash into Nate's slow ass offense would just be cruel.

But he'll last like 3x as long if we run him 1/3 as fast.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Seriously sticking Nash into Nate's slow ass offense would just be cruel.

I'm sure he'll thrive in Nate's "take no chances, slow it down" attack.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

But he'll last like 3x as long if we run him 1/3 as fast.

Longer then that because Nate will bench him as soon as he gets 2 TO's.

 

[Spud147]

Re: Unbalanced Trade?

"Dwight Jaynes expects ..... "
This is just one mans guess... a man looking to bring eyes to his blog.



Nash is good, but I think that's a little too much and I dont think this would help us win a championship any sooner.

I'm with you on this one. It would be a lot like when we brought in Scottie Pippen. The team would be super fun to watch and much more uptempo. I'm sure they'd win more games but it still wouldn't get us to the finals.

 

[Natebishop3]

Who would be our Steve Smith if we traded for another Scottie Pippen?

 

[Spud147]

Re: Unbalanced Trade?

I would sacrifice Batum for 3 years of Nash upgrades over Miller. I don't know if you guys are properly thinking about what a 50/40/90 PG would do for our offense.

I'm not saying it's a great long-term move, but nothing at all has shown that PA and LM are looking long-term this summer. It's "win now. NO, I mean NOW!" Other than saying he wants a 3 year PG.

Stockton played until 41.

And he played well too. That high basketball IQ is what helps these guys play effectively when they slow down. Same with Andre, Arvydas, and Pippen. I have high hopes Brandon will figure out how to change his game like that as well.

Anyway I just wish we could count on Oden for next year. I'd be a lot more on board with the trade if I thought we'd have Nash/Matthews/Wallace/Aldridge/Oden as our starters and they could stay healthy. But without Oden in the mix I think the price is too steep.

P.S. Am I the only one who started salivating when I read that possible starting line up. That just sounds so good!

 

[Minstrel]

Who would be our Steve Smith if we traded for another Scottie Pippen?

My (perhaps wishful) thought for a few months, actually, has been that Roy can re-invent himself as a latter-career Smitty. A guy who couldn't beat people with athleticism, but was crafty in terms of getting to the hoop and could nail shots. And had some solid passing ability.

 

[Natebishop3]

I wouldn't be opposed to getting Nash... Jason Kidd just won a championship at 38 years old, but he was also on a veteran team with Jason Terry, Dirk, Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, etc. I don't know if we have the team that would take Nash to the Finals. I think Wallace is a really good player, and Aldridge was finding his groove, but who else do we have? This team is pretty thin right now and I think it would take a lot more fleshing out before someone like Nash would be able to put us over the top.

Pippen was a great addition because the team was already a contender. We had just been to the WCF, and Pip was added to a roster with Steve Smith, to go with Sheed, Damon, Sabonis, and a myriad of other weapons. We aren't even close to that kind of depth. Putting Nash on this team would just be a waste I think.

 

[Spud147]

My (perhaps wishful) thought for a few months, actually, has been that Roy can re-invent himself as a latter-career Smitty. A guy who couldn't beat people with athleticism, but was crafty in terms of getting to the hoop and could nail shots. And had some solid passing ability.

See above EARLIER post by me... I win!

 

[Minstrel]

I wouldn't be opposed to getting Nash... Jason Kidd just won a championship at 38 years old, but he was also on a veteran team with Jason Terry, Dirk, Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, etc. I don't know if we have the team that would take Nash to the Finals. I think Wallace is a really good player, and Aldridge was finding his groove, but who else do we have?

It really all depends on Oden. If we get Oden back for most of the season + playoffs, the team is absolutely a contender with Nash. If we don't have Oden, we don't have anything more than a playoff team...with or without Nash. Essentially, you have to decide whether it's worth gambling Batum's future with Portland on the next few years...and the next few years definitely depend on Oden to go anywhere.

 

[Minstrel]

See above EARLIER post by me... I win!

Psh. Like I read what YOU say.

 

[Spud147]

Psh. Like I read what YOU say.

Touche.

Although I did notice in your next serious post to Brian in Washington that you paraphrased me AGAIN. Aren't you supposed to pay me for that or something?

 

[Minstrel]

Although I did notice in your next serious post to Brian in Washington that you paraphrased me AGAIN. Aren't you supposed to pay me for that or something?

I haven't responded to BrianFromWA in this thread.

Your argument is invalid.

 

[PapaG]

I haven't responded to BrianFromWA in this thread.

Your argument is invalid.

Literminstrelal is not happy with this line of questioning.

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[Natebishop3]

I haven't responded to BrianFromWA in this thread.

Your argument is invalid.

Who made you King?

 

[Minstrel]

I seem to have awoken what I will term "the haters."

 

[Natebishop3]

I seem to have awoken what I will term "the haters."

L2P Minstrel... L2P

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Portland sends Andre Miller, Rudy Fernandez, Nicolas Batum, a first round pick and $3 million to Phoenix for Steve Nash.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but since Portland has already traded away their first-rounder for next year, wouldn't they be unable to trade away this year's first-rounder (without getting another one in return)?

 

[barfo]

Jaynes: You may have already seen this video on our site that features Nate McMillan reiterating his statement that he's looking for players in the prime of their careers. He thinks this team is close to being a contender and if that's the case, it's time to make the sort of a move a contending team makes.

He's said several times he thinks the team has enough young players and enough old players. It's time for a few more Gerald Wallace types, you know -- guys in the sweet spot of their career.

You won't find that in a draft. Not this year and not any year.

Not true. We found it in the draft (1986?) when we drafted Sabonis.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

Portland sends Andre Miller, Rudy Fernandez, Nicolas Batum, a first round pick and $3 million to Phoenix for Steve Nash. [/SIZE]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but since Portland has already traded away their first-rounder for next year, wouldn't they be unable to trade away this year's first-rounder (without getting another one in return)?

No, I think you can completely trade out of a draft, but you have to make a pick the following season.

 

[e_blazer]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but since Portland has already traded away their first-rounder for next year, wouldn't they be unable to trade away this year's first-rounder (without getting another one in return)?

Nope. This year's pick isn't a future pick, so it doesn't count:

The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then a team can trade its 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Nope. This year's pick isn't a future pick, so it doesn't count:

Sure it is--this year's pick hasn't yet been picked, so it's a future pick. A week from now it won't be, but today it is.

 

[PapaG]

I seem to have awoken what I will term "the haters."

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[RR7]

Plus, we'd likely send the rights to the player, and not do the deal before the draft.