Jeb Bush commits political suicide

[MARIS61]

Immigrants are more fertile and they love families and they have more intact families and they bring a younger population,” he said, adding that immigrants also create new businesses and are an “engine of economic prosperity.”

Obviously that would mean Jeb believes...

American-born Americans are less fertile and they hate families and they have fragmented families and they are an older population,” he said, adding that American-born Americans don't create new businesses and are a “brake on economic prosperity.”

Lots of luck getting the Republican nomination with that attitude.

[video]http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/jeb-bush-immigrants-are-more-fertile-92801.html?ml=tb[/video]

 

[mook]

I don't see anything wrong with what he said. They do tend to have larger, more nuclear families.

It is surprising to see a prominent Republican who isn't bashing immigrants. But I guess with several year before the next presidential election now is the time for them to start changing course. Good for them.

Every day that passes sees more of the older generation of Republican voters, who tend to be much less open to immigration, die off. Makes sense to start laying the groundwork for the future.

 

[Denny Crane]

Interestingly, I was watching C-SPAN this morning and they had some woman on who was one of the chief statisticians for the census.

She showed a graph of population growth by race. White people, Maris will be sad to learn, are both getting older on average and there are more deaths than births these days. For immigrants, especially asians and hispanics, the population is younger than whites and they are having far more births than deaths.

So what did Bush say that was wrong?

BTW, his wife is Columba Bush, born 1953 in Leon, Guanajuato, Mexico. She's a hispanic, you know.

 

[HailBlazers]

Nothing, telling the Truth is political suicide these days I guess

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Lots of luck getting the Republican nomination with that attitude.

Bridging the gap with non-whites would be a good idea if that nominee wants to win the real election.

 

[MarAzul]

Well ok, I didn't want another Bush anyway. So far Rand Paul is the only one hold to the straight and narrow enough to get my vote. Rubio has blown it lately. He can't tell when the 4th amendment has been walked on and he is about to sign on to more immigration with the boarders no better than they were in 86. Besides if his immigration bill passes, we will be on track to become a nation of 600 million way before the end of this century.

When this nation was less than half what it is now, about 150 million, China was known to be way over populated at 600 million people. Why the hell do we need a plan to reach the over populated status?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

He meant to say "anchor babies".

 

[Denny Crane]

Well ok, I didn't want another Bush anyway. So far Rand Paul is the only one hold to the straight and narrow enough to get my vote. Rubio has blown it lately. He can't tell when the 4th amendment has been walked on and he is about to sign on to more immigration with the boarders no better than they were in 86. Besides if his immigration bill passes, we will be on track to become a nation of 600 million way before the end of this century.

When this nation was less than half what it is now, about 150 million, China was known to be way over populated at 600 million people. Why the hell do we need a plan to reach the over populated status?

Maybe look at Japan, too. They take in few immigrants. Half the people there are 45 or older because they're not having enough children. Or younger immigrants.

 

[Masbee]

I don't see anything wrong with what he said. They do tend to have larger, more nuclear families.

It is surprising to see a prominent Republican who isn't bashing immigrants. But I guess with several year before the next presidential election now is the time for them to start changing course. Good for them.

Every day that passes sees more of the older generation of Republican voters, who tend to be much less open to immigration, die off. Makes sense to start laying the groundwork for the future.

Careful with statistics.

What we have here are pro-amnesty politicians and media using LEGAL immigrants statistics, and trying paint those positive elements of existing legal immigration to amnesty for illegal immigrants and other significant changes to the proposed immigration law that will fundamentally alter the type of immigrants that would come into the U.S.

The question is what is the makeup of the illegal immigrants that would be granted amnesty, and what is the makeup of their relatives that would suddenly be granted a fast track to the U.S?

If you look, you will find a very different group makeup. They most assuredly are NOT a group of dynamic, entrepreneurial, self-sufficient, family-first folks.

 

[mook]

He can't tell when the 4th amendment has been walked on and he is about to sign on to more immigration with the boarders no better than they were in 86.

I was curious to see what the numbers were when I read your statement. A quick search showed that net migration numbers from Mexico has fallen to zero, and possibly less than zero.

The sharp downward trend in net migration from Mexico began about five years ago and has led to the first significant decrease in at least two decades in the unauthorized Mexican population. As of 2011, some 6.1 million unauthorized Mexican immigrants were living in the U.S., down from a peak of nearly 7 million in 2007, according to Pew Hispanic Center estimates based on data from the U.S. Census Bureau. Over the same period, the population of authorized immigrants from Mexico rose modestly, from 5.6 million in 2007 to 5.8 million in 2011.

The more I think about it, the more it seems like a good time for Republicans to declare victory on immigration, sign a bill that nationalizes the current batch of law-breakers, put new measures in place to prevent it from happening in the future, and put it in their rear-view mirror.

 

[mook]

Careful with statistics.

What we have here are pro-amnesty politicians and media using LEGAL immigrants statistics, and trying paint those positive elements of existing legal immigration to amnesty for illegal immigrants and other significant changes to the proposed immigration law that will fundamentally alter the type of immigrants that would come into the U.S.

The question is what is the makeup of the illegal immigrants that would be granted amnesty, and what is the makeup of their relatives that would suddenly be granted a fast track to the U.S?

If you look, you will find a very different group makeup. They most assuredly are NOT a group of dynamic, entrepreneurial, self-sufficient, family-first folks.

My wife was once an illegal immigrant. She now owns a business that employs several Americans. Most of the immigrants I run into seem to fit my profile. Although I'll admit that if they make it all the way to Idaho they may have a little more in their tank....

 

[BlazerWookee]

Careful with statistics.

What we have here are pro-amnesty politicians and media using LEGAL immigrants statistics, and trying paint those positive elements of existing legal immigration to amnesty for illegal immigrants and other significant changes to the proposed immigration law that will fundamentally alter the type of immigrants that would come into the U.S.

The question is what is the makeup of the illegal immigrants that would be granted amnesty, and what is the makeup of their relatives that would suddenly be granted a fast track to the U.S?

If you look, you will find a very different group makeup. They most assuredly are NOT a group of dynamic, entrepreneurial, self-sufficient, family-first folks.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING! GIVE THAT MAN A CEEGAR!

 

[donkiez]

Well ok, I didn't want another Bush anyway. So far Rand Paul is the only one hold to the straight and narrow enough to get my vote. Rubio has blown it lately. He can't tell when the 4th amendment has been walked on and he is about to sign on to more immigration with the boarders no better than they were in 86. Besides if his immigration bill passes, we will be on track to become a nation of 600 million way before the end of this century.

When this nation was less than half what it is now, about 150 million, China was known to be way over populated at 600 million people. Why the hell do we need a plan to reach the over populated status?

The US birth rate is actually lower than the replacement level of 2.1 children per female, we are at 2.03 or something like that. (the .1 is to cover infant mortality). Our population is set to grow till 2020 due to population momentum but after that we will be in the decline without immigration. I feel that reasonable immigration reform is a better plan to increase our population, especially when compared to the other plan of building a big wall and forcing unwanted births from our current citizens.

 

[MarAzul]

The graph looks like a graph of employment in the US which has little to do with the security of the border.

 

[MARIS61]

My wife was once an illegal immigrant. She now owns a business that employs several Americans. Most of the immigrants I run into seem to fit my profile. Although I'll admit that if they make it all the way to Idaho they may have a little more in their tank....

There are all kinds of liars and cheaters and con men who otherwise contribute to society. The thing they have in common with your wife is they enriched their lives through fraud and deceit at the expense of honest, law-abiding people who respect the rights of others. She cheated an admirable person out of their only legimate chance to be a Real American, crushing their dream and possibly destroying his/her life.

 

[Masbee]

There are all kinds of liars and cheaters and con men who otherwise contribute to society. The thing they have in common with your wife is they enriched their lives through fraud and deceit at the expense of honest, law-abiding people who respect the rights of others. She cheated an admirable person out of their only legimate chance to be a Real American, crushing their dream and possibly destroying his/her life.

Wow.

 

[Denny Crane]

Real American. Blonde. Blue eyed. Bred for superiority.

Am I getting the drift here, MARIS?

 

[jlprk]

The graph looks like a graph of employment in the US which has little to do with the security of the border.

Why would an immigration graph follow the same ups and downs as a graph showing available employment? I can't figure it out.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

There are all kinds of liars and cheaters and con men who otherwise contribute to society. The thing they have in common with your wife is they enriched their lives through fraud and deceit at the expense of honest, law-abiding people who respect the rights of others. She cheated an admirable person out of their only legimate chance to be a Real American, crushing their dream and possibly destroying his/her life.

You serious?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I have absolutely no problem revamping the immigration code to allow for people to come here who want to contribute to society. I don't think that a registration is that much to ask for. As stated above, many "industrialized" countries are going to be hurting for workers (and supporters of the old-people safety net) in the next 20 years or so.

I see it here in Afghanistan. The US (State Dept.) employs many people here--as interpreters, political analysts, etc. Taliban don't like these guys very much, and target them when they go home to their families outside the bases. Some are trying to get immigrant visas to the US, and are being told there's a 9-12 month wait, even if they actually do qualify for one.

This is for college-educated, fluent-in-English people who have savings, a skillset, etc. and are trying the right/legal way to come to the US to make a life where they probably won't get blown up by an (illegal immigrant into Afghanistan) just for doing their job. And yet the populace in the US seems very much in favor of listening to a vocal minority of people who haven't done it the legal way and want to consolidate the gains of their illegal behavior. I don't get it.

Edit: I saw it in West Seattle, also. The illegal immigrants were often victims of abuse, etc. because they were afraid to go to the police when they were victims of crime--afraid to go to the hospital--afraid to speak out against fraud (being charged 1000/month for a family of 7 to live in an attic). Parents wouldn't go to school functions for their children. Our church was helping out many of them (especially the single-mom families), but they'd have access to a lot more help and a lot less criminal activity if they'd come through the legal way (or if there was a process to register and "legalize" what they'd already done).

 

[mook]

There are all kinds of liars and cheaters and con men who otherwise contribute to society. The thing they have in common with your wife is they enriched their lives through fraud and deceit at the expense of honest, law-abiding people who respect the rights of others. She cheated an admirable person out of their only legimate chance to be a Real American, crushing their dream and possibly destroying his/her life.

You are adorable.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Maris the rEAL aMERICAN:

 

[donkiez]

I have absolutely no problem revamping the immigration code to allow for people to come here who want to contribute to society. I don't think that a registration is that much to ask for. As stated above, many "industrialized" countries are going to be hurting for workers (and supporters of the old-people safety net) in the next 20 years or so.

I see it here in Afghanistan. The US (State Dept.) employs many people here--as interpreters, political analysts, etc. Taliban don't like these guys very much, and target them when they go home to their families outside the bases. Some are trying to get immigrant visas to the US, and are being told there's a 9-12 month wait, even if they actually do qualify for one.

This is for college-educated, fluent-in-English people who have savings, a skillset, etc. and are trying the right/legal way to come to the US to make a life where they probably won't get blown up by an (illegal immigrant into Afghanistan) just for doing their job. And yet the populace in the US seems very much in favor of listening to a vocal minority of people who haven't done it the legal way and want to consolidate the gains of their illegal behavior. I don't get it.

Edit: I saw it in West Seattle, also. The illegal immigrants were often victims of abuse, etc. because they were afraid to go to the police when they were victims of crime--afraid to go to the hospital--afraid to speak out against fraud (being charged 1000/month for a family of 7 to live in an attic). Parents wouldn't go to school functions for their children. Our church was helping out many of them (especially the single-mom families), but they'd have access to a lot more help and a lot less criminal activity if they'd come through the legal way (or if there was a process to register and "legalize" what they'd already done).

I agree with pretty much everything you said including a registration of sorts, and allowing people with education and/or money is a no brainer in my opinion. I work for a large corporate company that employs hordes of the type of people you describe, although mostly Asian and Indian, and their contribution to our society is not a question. Low income uneducated Hispanics are the real issue here, and as long as our economy is a leader in the world these people will always be here. They do however fill a need in our society and should be recognized for their contributions, but the system is set up for them to take advantage of it. Its not just immigration its, education, health care, and the tax code that really needs to be revamped along with immigration to allow the people to pay into the system and benefit form the the system (in a more limited legal way), rather than just leach off the system.

The point that the US and most first world countries need immigration to maintain our pyramid scheme social programs is a good one. First world countries do not reproduce at the rate of poorer nations, in fact the US has one of the highest replacement reproduction rates of all first world countries and we still don't replace ourselves without immigration.

Jeb Bush made a factual statement that I agree with and support, however it was a political bomb. Since I hate the Bush's I'm not to broken up over it.

 

[Denny Crane]

Illiterate hispanics come here, so what? They do menial jobs or whatever they can get.

Their kids go to our schools and learn english and math and science. We win in the long run.

 

[Masbee]

And yet the populace in the US seems very much in favor of listening to a vocal minority of people who haven't done it the legal way and want to consolidate the gains of their illegal behavior. I don't get it.

I agree. I don't get it either.

The push for this amnesty, which has been going on for years, and almost happened in 2007 until it was derailed at the last moment, is based on little more than bully politics.

Scream and yell and demand long enough and hard enough to get what you want. Despite the fact that what you want is mass amnesty for crimes for a special, identified class, that it is inherently unfair to those who followed the law, that the demands are completely unprecedented in world history, and that it overturns generations of long-standing policy and law and principals that have guided immigration policy in this country.

 

[Masbee]

Illiterate hispanics come here, so what? They do menial jobs or whatever they can get.

Their kids go to our schools and learn english and math and science. We win in the long run.

You have no evidence of that.

It is unsupported by facts or common sense.

It may have been true 30 or 40 years ago. But, it mostly is no longer the case. Assimilation rates have plummeted. The U.S. public school is worse than many 3rd world countries at teaching. So, your claim they learn "English and math and science" isn't happening enough. 2nd generation drop-out rates and unmarried pregnancies and welfare and food stamp and prison rates have all skyrocketed in recent years.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...similating-just-as-quickly-as-earlier-groups/

Hispanic immigrants are assimilating just as quickly as earlier groups

 

[Denny Crane]

Edit: I saw it in West Seattle, also. The illegal immigrants were often victims of abuse, etc. because they were afraid to go to the police when they were victims of crime--afraid to go to the hospital--afraid to speak out against fraud (being charged 1000/month for a family of 7 to live in an attic). Parents wouldn't go to school functions for their children. Our church was helping out many of them (especially the single-mom families), but they'd have access to a lot more help and a lot less criminal activity if they'd come through the legal way (or if there was a process to register and "legalize" what they'd already done).

In a free country, free people aren't afraid to go to the police or school functions, etc.

The answer is to make them legal in the first place so they can. The abuse will stop.

 

[jlprk]

That devil never had a chance. You have to be more handsome to be President.

 

[Masbee]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...similating-just-as-quickly-as-earlier-groups/

Hispanic immigrants are assimilating just as quickly as earlier groups

Those are immigrants, not the illegals under discussion.

As well, to be the 2nd generation of these immigrants, they came to the U.S. in the 70's and 80's.

Legal immigrants from the 70's and 80's are not the same group of people as illegals from recent years.

This is one the great propaganda myths of the pro amnesty and pro dramatically increase immigration rates supporters. They use the relative success of a different generation of legal immigrants to make the claim that all immigrants are the same. What a bunch of bullshit. It is amazing so many fall for it.

I notice you didn't try coming up with facts on the increases in social problems.