Jeffries to New York

[LBJ2006MVP]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Washington Post - The New York Knicks signed restricted free agent guard/forward Jared Jeffries to an offer sheet this afternoon, according to NBA sources.

The Washington Wizards will have seven days to decide whether to match the offer. The terms of the offer were not disclosed.

Jeffries has long been coveted by Isiah Thomas, New York president of basketball operations and head coach. Like Jeffries, Thomas starred at Indiana University.</div>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6072801323.html

<font color="RED">Next time add a link.
-MrJ</font>

 

[Mr. J]

Washington will probably match the offer, but this is the right move by Isiah.

Wow, didn't know we were offering him 30 million. Still, if James is making that much, no reaons why he can't.

 

[Shapecity]

Terrible contract offer from the Knicks, Jeffries is worth half that at most. If I'm the Wizards I'd definitely let him go for $30M.

 

[SP23]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">According to an NBA source, Jeffries turned down a "significant offer" from the Wizards earlier this summer, an offer that was worth more than the one he signed yesterday.</div>
He turned down a bigger offer from the Wizards before? He should have taken that. Because now the Wizards can match it and get him for less. But, it's still a lot of money.

 

[Run BJM]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Terrible contract offer from the Knicks, Jeffries is worth half that at most. If I'm the Wizards I'd definitely let him go for $30M.</div>
Yeah I don't understand what the fascination with this guy is. He hasnt done jack his whole career.

 

[og15]

I can't say I'm certain the Wizards will match the offer. Jeffries isn't bad, he's a good defender and rebounder (more offensively) for a SF/PF, and he's a versatile guy that can give you some ball handling. His shooting is quite depressing though, if he ever learnt to shoot he'd be a much more impressive offensive player, but his offense is not really much. He can pass decently well too.

The money is obviously too much for the ~6-7 PPG and 5 RPG Jeffries brings, but from the Wizards POV, his defense and extra ball handling is badly needed on the team. With him, Jamison hardly ever had to matchup agaisnt the quicker PF's, and he even took SF duty at times on the bigger ones, though Caron did well there, so that was okay. I personally think he should be let go, too much money, doesn't seem he wants to come back, and he's not a true game changer. All the team would be doing is paying to be OK.

 

[Shapecity]

^^ I think the Wizards are better off developing Andray Blatche than matching the offer from Jeffries. I saw some clips of Blatche in the SPL, he's really improved from last season and has a lot of upside.

 

[Ming637]

It's going to be tough for the Wizards to lose him, since he's an important role to their team. I don't see really see a replacement for Jeffries, unless like Shape said, Eddie Jordan can develop Andray Blatche and give him more playing time this season.

If the Wizards do let Jared Jeffries go though, be prepared to see Ernie Grunfeld make another move. But, they should just match that offer, to be safe and stick with the squad they have now.

 

[Mamba]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SP23:</div><div class="quote_post">He turned down a bigger offer from the Wizards before? He should have taken that. Because now the Wizards can match it and get him for less. But, it's still a lot of money.</div>

He doesn't want to play for the Wizards. His agent is quoted as saying that Jeffries wants to move on. He turned down a 6 year, $33 million dollar offer from the Wizards. He has asked the Wizards to not match the offer. He wants to continue his career in NY. I wouldn't be surprsied if the Wizards let him walk.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ I think the Wizards are better off developing Andray Blatche than matching the offer from Jeffries. I saw some clips of Blatche in the SPL, he's really improved from last season and has a lot of upside.</div>

I wouldn't say he has improved, I'd say he's gotten a chance. To start his rookie campaign out, Blatche was shot in the chest and the wrist in an attempted car jacking. That really killed his shot at having anything last year. This year, he's healthy, and he's getting to show what he has.

This may sound crazy, but I think Bulletproof (Blatche's fan given nickname) will be as solid, or even better than Jeffries is by the end of the year.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ming637:</div><div class="quote_post">It's going to be tough for the Wizards to lose him, since he's an important role to their team. I don't see really see a replacement for Jeffries, unless like Shape said, Eddie Jordan can develop Andray Blatche and give him more playing time this season.

If the Wizards do let Jared Jeffries go though, be prepared to see Ernie Grunfeld make another move. But, they should just match that offer, to be safe and stick with the squad they have now.</div>

I don't think it'll be tough at all. He brings defense to a non-defensive team. He's the only player in the starting lineup who will give you consistent defense. In a lineup like that, his defense isn't as valuable as it would be elsewhere, a team that focuses on defense. The Wizards are gunning for an offensive style of winning, such as the Mavericks and the Suns. Losing Jeffries will be easy to replace in such a situation.

Blatche will be seeing a lot more time this seaso. He's being set up as Caron Butler's backup, so he'll see a lot of floor time.

Grunfeld is going to make a run for Bonzi Wells, I just have a feeling.

 

[og15]

I don't think Bulletproof can give what Jeffries does in terms of defense, ball handling and rebounding, but he is much better offensively, at least it seems like he is.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think it'll be tough at all. He brings defense to a non-defensive team. He's the only player in the starting lineup who will give you consistent defense. In a lineup like that, his defense isn't as valuable as it would be elsewhere, a team that focuses on defense. The Wizards are gunning for an offensive style of winning, such as the Mavericks and the Suns. Losing Jeffries will be easy to replace in such a situation.</div>
I don't agree. While we're looking to score, you still have to defend a little. Many teams in the league can score, so unless your scoring is simply amazing, you can't just expect to win with that alone. The Wizards don't have enough firepower around the team to just rely on scoring, we basically only have 3-4 scorers. Daniels is there, but he isn't a "true" scorer, and Hayes is injured all the time anyways.

Without Jefferies defense at PF last season, we would've lost at least 3 more games because some other PF's would've just easily owned Jamison. Also his versatility offensively being able to play SG on offense and PF on defense allowed for us to incorporate Butler into the offense better. It also pulled out one of the opposing teams big men because they didn't want to put a big on Butler.

 

[Karma]

I don't get it.

To sum up my exact thoughts, read below:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
The Knicks presented an offer to restricted free agent Jared Jeffries, signing him to a deal the Wizards can choose to match worth about $30 million over five seasons. Since the Knicks are over the luxury tax threshold and will have to pay a tax on his contract as long as they remain over the limit, in actuality it?s like they signed Jeffries to a five year, $60 million offer.

Jeffries is a nice player, with a lot of size and the ability to play everything from the five to the two, but why sign a guy like this when you already have Channing Frye, David Lee, Reinaldo Balkman, Jalen Rose, Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Jamal Crawford, Quentin Richardson, Malik Rose and Maurice Taylor at those positions?

Unless you?re going to move one of those guys and get nothing back in return, it makes absolutely no sense. This doesn?t even address signing Jeffries to a deal that?ll cost you over $10 million a year, which isn?t anywhere near his actual value</div>

 

[The Dream]

another dumb move by Zeke.............what's new?

 

[thedude9990]

i think this is a good move other than the fact that they over payed him adn have players at that position because almost every knicks palyer is offensive minded they finally get a defensive minded player

 

[P.A.P.]

I think it's fair to say that Isiah is trying to sabotage the Knicks. Has anyone noticed that Balkman's strengths are the same as Jefferies'? This makes the drafting of Balkman look more stupid. The Knicks aren't going to be under the luxury tax threshold for a while, so this signing raises some eyebrows to me considering the huge price they're going to pay for the signing.

 

[Karma]

This roster is so packed with players of the same position who are ALL (yes, every single one of them; except maybe the sophs and rookies) overpaid players that it's hard to imagine an equal distribution of playing time among all of them that will end up satisfying everyone. Furthermore, if Zeke ends up NOT playing a certain guy, you can always ask, "then why the hell did you pay _____ million (usually above 10-20 of course) to get him?"

What a shame such a legacy-filled team is being run by a bunch of morons.

And to fill in Tribute 2 H2O's line:

Anyway, I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

[bbwAce]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Terrible contract offer from the Knicks, Jeffries is worth half that at most. If I'm the Wizards I'd definitely let him go for $30M.</div>

Bingo. Knicks are nutty. Wiz would be foolish to match. 6 mill a year for a guy who probably gives you 9/6 a night, tops? No thanks.

 

[Mamba]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think Bulletproof can give what Jeffries does in terms of defense, ball handling and rebounding, but he is much better offensively, at least it seems like he is.


I don't agree. While we're looking to score, you still have to defend a little. Many teams in the league can score, so unless your scoring is simply amazing, you can't just expect to win with that alone. The Wizards don't have enough firepower around the team to just rely on scoring, we basically only have 3-4 scorers. Daniels is there, but he isn't a "true" scorer, and Hayes is injured all the time anyways.

Without Jefferies defense at PF last season, we would've lost at least 3 more games because some other PF's would've just easily owned Jamison. Also his versatility offensively being able to play SG on offense and PF on defense allowed for us to incorporate Butler into the offense better. It also pulled out one of the opposing teams big men because they didn't want to put a big on Butler.</div>

While you may have valid points, I think you're wrong on Blatche's ball handling. He came into the league as a PF, with the ability to play SF. Now, Blatche has evolved his game into a SF with the ability to play the 4. He has vastly improved his ball handling. In the summer league, he was driving on fella's from the arch and displayed ball handling skills.

 

[Moo2K4]

No way is Jeffries worth that much money. He doesn't bring a whole lot to the table if you ask me. His offensive game never developed, so he's not going to give you much there. Sure, he's an above average defender...but he's not a game changer on that end of the court. So, to me, because of his offensive deficiencies....that hurts his value. I don't see him worth the $30+mil the Knicks are offering and it'd be really stupid for the Wiz to match that offer, especially if he doens't even want to be there. Go develop Andray Blatche and spend the money elsewhere. Let Isiah waste more money.

 

[og15]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">While you may have valid points, I think you're wrong on Blatche's ball handling. He came into the league as a PF, with the ability to play SF. Now, Blatche has evolved his game into a SF with the ability to play the 4. He has vastly improved his ball handling. In the summer league, he was driving on fella's from the arch and displayed ball handling skills.</div>
You mistook me, by ball handling, I don't mean ability to dribble, there are many guys that can do some crossovers and dribble. What I mean is taking care of the ball, and being trusted as a ball handler. You will not see us using Blatche to run offensive sets or as a secondary ball handler when he's on the court because he will be prone to turnovers. Even in SL he averaged about 4-5 TPG.

 

[babybulls]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Junoon:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't get it.

To sum up my exact thoughts, read below:</div>
money doesn't matter to the knicks that's the thing, i hate this cause they always say stuff like that bout it costing them double

 

[tradebark]

uh, even if you were rich, why would you ever pay franchise-player money for JARED JEFFRIES ?

this is a stupid stupid idea, and every single knick fan needs to just complain til someone gets fired ;[

 

[Bobcats]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tradebark:</div><div class="quote_post">uh, even if you were rich, why would you ever pay franchise-player money for JARED JEFFRIES ?

this is a stupid stupid idea, and every single knick fan needs to just complain til someone gets fired ;[</div>

Last time I checked, 30 million dollars isn't franchise player money.

 

[Moo2K4]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tradebark:</div><div class="quote_post">uh, even if you were rich, why would you ever pay franchise-player money for JARED JEFFRIES ?

this is a stupid stupid idea, and every single knick fan needs to just complain til someone gets fired ;[</div>Essentially, what they're spending is the MLE....which, when all is said and done, is about $47million (assuming it's the 5yr/33mil variety) less than a max deal, which is 5yrs/80mil roughly.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Essentially, what they're spending is the MLE....which, when all is said and done, is about $47million (assuming it's the 5yr/33mil variety) less than a max deal, which is 5yrs/80mil roughly.</div>
I don't get it; how is it like 47 million.

 

[Moo2K4]

Lets take Melos max deal for example. It was a 5yr/80mil contract. Now lets look at this offer to Jeffries. If it's the full MLE, it's likely around the $33mil range if it's a 5 year deal. That's $47mil less. That's all I was saying. That the full MLE is A LOT less than a max deal for a franchise guy, and that Jeffries is getting nowhere near franchise player cash.

 

[Sir Desmond]

Someone must have dared Isiah, surely?

 

[shankyoass]

I like Jared Jefferies. Good signing

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't get it; how is it like 47 million.</div>

He didnt mean the deal was 47 million. He said the deal Jared Jeffries got is 47 million dollars less than the max.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Essentially, what they're spending is the MLE....which, when all is said and done, is about $47million (assuming it's the 5yr/33mil variety) less than a max deal, which is 5yrs/80mil roughly.</div>

Isiah Thomas certainly overpaid but he got the kind of player that the Knicks needed. He is not going to turn the Knicks into a playoff team but he should help them get a couple more wins which probably wont be worth what Jared Jeffries costed but what can you do? Someone else mentioned it but I feel compelled to repeat how stupid this signing makes the drafting of Renaldo Balkman look. Isiah Thomas says he passed up on Marcus Williams because he wanted Renaldo Balkman's energy and defensive tenacity and then he goes on and makes Renaldo Balkman obsolete. It doesnt make sense but since when does Isiah deal with sense? If I didnt know any better I'd say he gave Jared Jeffries this deal as a parting shot to the organization that is about to give him the boot.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be set on fire.

 

[Moo2K4]

Great point on the Balkman thing MrJ, I'll say I never even thought of that. This really makes that draft utterly pointless. By bringing in Jeffries, Balkman becomes an afterthought in my opinon. Unless he shows off a lot of good stuff in preseason and training camp, he might struggle to find PT with Jeffries in front of him. Beyond that, they're practically the same player, neither have much of an offensive game, what they do score is off hustle points, and both are really only defensive players. The only issue is they play the same position, Jeffries already has a few years under his belt, and he's also a lot taller and longer than Balkman. Sometimes I wonder what Isiah is thinking. But hey, this is his mess, he's the one that's got to deal with this come the season.

 

[Custodianrules2]

Wow... simply wow. How much more damage can Isiah do?

Actually, Isiah has the right mindset to build a little more balance in his team, especially on the defensive end and in passing the ball, but I think it's too little, too late to introduce these elements when the owner told him he's got one year to seek improvement. Dolan probably shouldn't have suggested this was Isiah's last year or else and expected him to draft for the future. Isiah just might not be around to even care if Marcus Williams turns out to be a badass Knick. Bad on Dolan's part for opening his mouth.

The other thing is can any of these guys bring immediate impact to the game? What about shooting? Some of these guys like Bruce Bowen or whoever can still shoot if needed to. We don't know what the rookies are like in a real nba game or if Jared Jeffries can be consistent enough at shooting. Otherwise passing will definitely be an issue if guys play the passing lanes and basically force these guys to shoot or to put the ball on the floor. Like all good defenders, the team still needs to play team and help defense. I don't know if the other four guys will get up and help each other out. I don't get this feeling from Marbury, Crawford, Qrich, Rose, Curry, or any of these guys. Maybe the rookies, but definitely not the vets.