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Sarni said:
Jackson for Butler is excellent for Wolves if they can't resign Butler. Jackson is basically new Butler that is cheaper and you may keep him for 6 more years if you like.
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He’s ok, but I don’t think one year of NBA experience on a terrible team is enough sample size to say he’s the ‘next’ Butler. I just think they could get more than that for Butler. Even if it’s that same trade with another pick or two attached.
 
Sarni said:
Only if they want to get rid of his contract and trade him for expiring crap. We should not be trading anything of value for him.
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You’re talking about a former elite prospect who’s only 23 years old. Came into the league with two way potential. The tools are there. The contract is garbage and he’s been inconsistent, but I’d gamble a non lottery first that he’s not done developing, and that his career stall had more to do with surrounding circumstances.
 
Scalma said:
You’re talking about a former elite prospect who’s only 23 years old. Came into the league with two way potential. The tools are there. The contract is garbage and he’s been inconsistent, but I’d gamble a non lottery first that he’s not done developing, and that his career stall had more to do with surrounding circumstances.
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I agree with what you are saying about his potential, but 80 million is a lot. It would need to be ET and Aminu and like you say a non lottery pick. Not CJ, not for Wiggins anyway.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
I agree with you are saying about his potential, but 80 million is a lot. It would need to be ET and Aminu and like you say a non lottery pick. Not CJ, not for Wiggins anyway.
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Yeah I think that package is fair.
 
Scalma said:
Yeah I think that package is fair.
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There is no question in mind that Kyrie and Butler will both opt out after next season and go to the same team with cap space. My guess is it will be the Knicks. But maybe Thibs thinks it can be Minnesota. He may want to start trying to clear cap space....but how do you get Towns on board? I don't think he can
 
BBert said:
Meyers has value just in entertainment and providing fans an easy outlet to vent on. If he goes, fans will find another player to flame. It's human nature. I figure it may as well be Meyers as anyone else on the roster ;)

Maybe we should do a gofundme to get Meyers another emotional therapy dog (ok, that was mean....).

:cheers:
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i dunno man, paying a guy $10M last year ( 10.5 this season, 11M after) for contributing in 33 games for an avg of 3.4 pts and 2 boards. he is 100% worthy of any and all flaming he gets. combined with his super douche level social game and his ML Brand clothing and the Rise Up bullshit. im getting twisted up again even thinking about all this.

if we can trade this colossal waste, we do it. we'll likely have ET still around to divert to as you say, and that's bad enough - we dont really need 2 sinkholes on the team.

if we gofundme anything for meyers, a big man coach would be the #1 option. whoever told him at some point he could be a 7-1 SG needs a bullet.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Well if Boston is intending on keeping Kyrie long term, that might be an option. They said they want to play together and the Celtics have young defensive players that Thibs likes. Maybe Smart and Brown?
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I don’t think they would do that deal. They seem pretty high on Brown and Tatum plus they would probably prefer to keep their best assets in case AD becomes available.

I also don’t think they want to extend Irving but that’s just a feeling. I think they will trade him during the season.
 
perkinsfor3 said:
Couldve had Alan Williams for free. Tarick Black just left for Israel and Lucas Nogueira for Spain. Those type of guys would be okay backups. Meyers is still here. Unfortunately. Quincy Acy. Joel Bolomboy for the Weber connect.

Most of all, I'd want to see Eric Moreland in a Blazers uni.
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I could see Minnesota wanting Harkless instead Aminu. He’s younger and under control for an extra year, and is probably the better SF to replace Wiggins. Portland might prefer it as well since they’re already thin in the front court. Thibs doesn’t like Dieng either but he’d fit in Portland next to Collins. These are all pointless because Olshey is on vacation.

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Scalma said:
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I could see Minnesota wanting Harkless instead Aminu. He’s younger and under control for an extra year, and is probably the better SF to replace Wiggins. Portland might prefer it as well since they’re already thin in the front court. Thibs doesn’t like Dieng either but he’d fit in Portland next to Collins. These are all pointless because Olshey is on vacation.

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I thought the reason we let Ed Davis walk was because we wanted Collins playing inside more. Dieng is a lesser version of Ed who happens to make 4x as much and, like Ed, would force Collins to play on the perimeter. We would have been much better off just keeping Ed. I was also surprised to learn that Dieng is less than 5 months younger than Ed.

I get that taking on Dieng's massive contract is the price we'd pay for the privilege of taking on Wiggins' even more massive contract. We end up taking on more salary for a MUCH longer time period.

I know Wiggins is still young, but I don't think he's worth it. He's been in the league for four full seasons as a starter averaging 36 MPG, but is still pretty much the same inefficient, 1-dimensional player he was as a rookie. He's had plenty of opportunity to breakout, but hasn't (i.e. this is no Jermaine O'Neal situation where he's suddenly going to breakout in his 5th season).

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I thought the reason we let Ed Davis walk was because we wanted Collins playing inside more. Dieng is a lesser version of Ed who happens to make 4x as much and, like Ed, would force Collins to play on the perimeter. We would have been much better off just keeping Ed. I was also surprised to learn that Dieng is less than 5 months younger than Ed.

I get that taking on Dieng's massive contract is the price we'd pay for the privilege of taking on Wiggins' even more massive contract. We end up taking on more salary for a MUCH longer time period.

I know Wiggins is still young, but I don't think he's worth it. He's been in the league for four full seasons as a starter averaging 36 MPG, but is still pretty much the same inefficient, 1-dimensional player he was as a rookie. He's had plenty of opportunity to breakout, but hasn't (i.e. this is no Jermaine O'Neal situation where he's suddenly going to breakout in his 5th season).

BNM
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Dieng has an effective mid range shot, so no, he’s not like Ed Davis. His game would not prohibit Zach from playing inside more, unlike Ed.
 
Scalma said:
Dieng has an effective mid range shot, so no, he’s not like Ed Davis. His game would not prohibit Zach from playing inside more, unlike Ed.
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Your point is valid. The weird thing about Dieng's game is all throughout his career, he has shot MUCH better from 10 - 16 feet than from 3 - 10 feet. I'm guessing most defenders see how poorly he shoots closer to the basket and don't bother challenging his shot when he moves out beyond 10 feet. If that's the case, it wouldn't open things up for Zach inside, but unlike Ed, Dieng could make them pay for not challenging his mid-range shots.

Dieng also isn't as good defensively, or on the boards, as Ed, but my real objection is the contract. Not so much the amount as we'd also be getting rid of Turner and Meyers, but the length. All of our current bad contracts expire in 2020. I'd hate to extend that out another year for Dieng and another 3 years for Wiggins.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Your point is valid. The weird thing about Dieng's game is all throughout his career, he has shot MUCH better from 10 - 16 feet than from 3 - 10 feet. I'm guessing most defenders see how poorly he shoots closer to the basket and don't bother challenging his shot when he moves out beyond 10 feet. If that's the case, it wouldn't open things up for Zach inside, but unlike Ed, Dieng could make them pay for not challenging his mid-range shots.

Dieng also isn't as good defensively, or on the boards, as Ed, but my real objection is the contract. Not so much the amount as we'd also be getting rid of Turner and Meyers, but the length. All of our current bad contracts expire in 2020. I'd hate to extend that out another year for Dieng and another 3 years for Wiggins.

BNM
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Why? We’re not getting any free agents, ever. Well, not unless you want more Evan Turners. Wiggins is still young and Dieng shouldn’t have a decline while under his current deal. The bet Portland would be taking is that they could elevate Wiggins’ game. There’s enough there to sacrifice future cap space that we’ll most likely never use. At some point we’re going to have to take risks if we want to make a significant leap, and this one doesn’t even involve touching the core.
 
blue9 said:
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Maybe we should just pay Mo an additional $15M per season instead?
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Wiggins is unhappy that he's not getting enough touches in MIN playing with Butler and KAT. Either he'll be equally unhappy in POR playing with Dame and C.J., or he'll be taking shots away from two much more efficient scorers.

It's actually stunning that a guy can score that much and still have a negative VORP.

For the record, VORP stands for value over replacement player, and by replacement player they don't mean an average NBA player, they are referring to a 12th man/G League call up level of replacement.

BNM
 
Scalma said:
You’re talking about a former elite prospect who’s only 23 years old. Came into the league with two way potential. The tools are there. The contract is garbage and he’s been inconsistent, but I’d gamble a non lottery first that he’s not done developing, and that his career stall had more to do with surrounding circumstances.
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He's kinda like Harkless in terms of inconsistency. I'd do so as well.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Portland receives: Butler, Taj Gibson
Minnesota receives CJ McCollum, Harkless.
Do it Neil pull the trigger!
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Neil would, Thibs wouldn't.

No way in hell does he give up the only two of "his guys" that actually play for him. Giving up Butler is going to be hard enough for Thibs. I can't really seeing him giving up both Butler and Taj unless he gets an offer he can't refuse. C.J. and The Mercurial Moe isn't such an offer.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Neil would, Thibs wouldn't.

No way in hell does he give up the only two of "his guys" that actually play for him. Giving up Butler is going to be hard enough for Thibs. I can't really seeing him giving up both Butler and Taj unless he gets an offer he can't refuse. C.J. and The Mercurial Moe isn't such an offer.

BNM
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I'm reality, I think it'd just be CJ and a pick for Butler. Maybe Dieng and Meyers included.
 
BonesJones said:
I'm reality, I think it'd just be CJ and a pick for Butler. Maybe Dieng and Meyers included.
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It’s such an obvious move. Even if Butler leaves after a year. At least we clear a bunch of salary. But you know Neil will never do it. Probably thinks CJ is better than Butler too.
 
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