Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

[Hoopguru]

Neil: Hi (Jimmy Butlers agent), its Neil Olshey. Calling about Jimmy and just checking to see if he has any interest in coming to Portland. I know there's no guarantee he'd stay past this year, but we'd love to have him. Before I call MN I want to know if he'd be open to it.
Butler's Agent: No, he really wouldn't but thanks for calling.
Neil: Click

it would be more like butlers agent calling Neil and asking if we'd be interested in him in Portland if we worked a deal with Dame. Olshey:click

 

[calvin natt]

it would be more like butlers agent calling Neil and asking if we'd be interested in him in Portland if we worked a deal with Dame. Olshey:click

Butlers agents doesn’t care about who gets traded though

 

[Natebishop3]

The Raptors weren't on Kawhi's list.

The Thunder weren't on George's list.

At the end of the day, you have to decide if it's worth the risk.

 

[julius]

The Raptors weren't on Kawhi's list.

He hasn't resigned yet...

 

[Natebishop3]

He hasn't resigned yet...

He hasn't a thrown a fit about it though. He might not sign there, but it's not like he didn't show up.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Some of the info out seems to indicate Wolves want to save money. How about Turner, Aminu. Trent, Simons, Baldwin for Butler and Dieng. That saves them 7 million right away. 15 1/2 the second year. and 30 some million the third year.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd4b2ezd

 

[Boob-No-More]

My problem is that he had problems with team mates in Chicago and now Minnesota. To me to give guy like CJ or and give up draft picks don't make sense if Butler going have problems who he plays with all the time.

He had problems with his younger teammates not giving a damn about defense. I'd have a problem with that, too. Sounds exactly like the kind of guy I'd want on my team. You know, if I was interested in winning...

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Some of the info out seems to indicate Wolves want to save money. How about Turner, Aminu. Trent, Simons, Baldwin for Butler and Dieng. That saves them 7 million right away. 15 1/2 the second year. and 30 some million the third year.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd4b2ezd

Man.... that's a lot to give up for a possible rental.

Of course..... if you look at what OKC gave up for George, or what Toronto gave up for Kawhi..... I guess we wouldn't be paying too high a price.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Man.... that's a lot to give up for a possible rental.

Of course..... if you look at what OKC gave up for George, or what Toronto gave up for Kawhi..... I guess we wouldn't be paying too high a price.

Is it really that much? Turner, who is considered by many to be a net negative, an expiring contract. a late first rounder, a second rounder and our third string PG.

 

[KingSpeed]

Why the hell would he want to go to the Nets?

New York City is awesome.

 

[0-Our!]

Man.... that's a lot to give up for a possible rental.

Of course..... if you look at what OKC gave up for George, or what Toronto gave up for Kawhi..... I guess we wouldn't be paying too high a price.

"...I'm gonna stay wherever I'm wanted, man. Because that's all anybody ever wants," he says "To be appreciated." I think THAT means we ACTUALLY have a shot @ him. We'd DEFINITELY show him he's wanted/appreciated (I think every player in the league knows that IF they came here BUT he's only speaking for himself when it comes to that; others r ALL/only about the $) here PLUS the whole outdoors love he has thing I think IS big!

 

[hoopsjock]

"Butler wants a trade to a team that plans to sign him to a five-year, maximum contract that could be worth $190 million in the summer, and his list could expand based upon the Timberwolves' and rival teams' willingness to negotiate a trade for him, league sources said"

Seems doable to me. If Paul will pay the luxury tax.

Except his list is worthless because he doesn't have a no-trade clause.

 

[Natebishop3]

Is it really that much? Turner, who is considered by many to be a net negative, an expiring contract. a late first rounder, a second rounder and our third string PG.

Giving up Simons and Trent is pretty steep for us, with no assurances that he'll stay. Obviously it's not as much as trading CJ, or OKC trading Oladipo, or Toronto trading DeRozan, but I think Simons and Trent have a lot of promise.

 

[dviss1]

Man.... that's a lot to give up for a possible rental.

Of course..... if you look at what OKC gave up for George, or what Toronto gave up for Kawhi..... I guess we wouldn't be paying too high a price.

We only know that OKC gave up a good assets because of hindsight. Consensus was they got an underachieving SG as a PF with minimal upside.

 

[Natebishop3]

We only know that OKC gave up a good assets because of hindsight. Consensus was they got an underachieving SG as a PF with minimal upside.

I mean...... if OKC offered us (then) Oladipo/Sabonis for Turner/Aminu/Trent/Simons/Baldwin I would take it in a heartbeat.

*I know this trade only exists in an alternate reality where OKC never traded Oladipo and Sabonis.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I'm game for almost anything that doesn't require us giving up CJ or Collins. (Actually I am ok with giving up CJ, but I don't think they want his contract.)
I wish Dame could reach out and determine if he and Butler can get along.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The problem is, they'll get lesser offers from teams that view him as a 1-year rental.

Maybe Neil's inner used car salesman has the chutzpah to think he can convince Butler to resign even if we aren't on his list.

Fuck it, when a talent like Butler is available, you need to go for it and worry about resigning him later.

BNM

Bingo. Go get him.

 

[Phatguysrule]

If you are on his list, it can be assumed that he will be open to an extension without testing free agency. Hence the list.

Is that assuming you traded CJ to get Butler?

I'm not so sure.

Do not trade CJ in this scenario. Try to keep Dame, CJ, Nurk, Collins if at all possible. There should be a package including picks that will get it done with the other guys in this scenario.

This is the opportunity we've been waiting for.

Correction: Try not to trade CJ. I would still do the deal if we had to include CJ, but I'd really try not to.

 

[James lamphear]

He had problems with his younger teammates not giving a damn about defense. I'd have a problem with that, too. Sounds exactly like the kind of guy I'd want on my team. You know, if I was interested in winning...

BNM

So your saying that was the same problem in Chicago. I forgot what it was but I know it wasn't defense. But yes if he want's to leave due to winning or players not dedicating there self on work ethics then why in the hell does he wants to be traded to the Knicks Nets Clippers.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm game for almost anything that doesn't require us giving up CJ or Collins. (Actually I am ok with giving up CJ, but I don't think they want his contract.)
I wish Dame could reach out and determine if he and Butler can get along.

I think they would jump on CJ because he's a star player. They NEED better players. They gave up some really decent players for Butler. They need a win.

The question is whether Butler would re-sign here.

 

[Boob-No-More]

So your saying that was the same problem in Chicago. I forgot what it was but I know it wasn't defense.

He doesn't specifically mention defense, but he talks a lot about lack of effort and wanting to win:



Keep in mind his comments were made after the Bulls blew a 10 point lead in the last minute and gave up 19 points in the final 3 minutes. So, one could infer that his comments about not caring and lack of effort applied to the defensive end.

Also, listen to his comments about the type of players he wants to play with, starting at 1:18. Sounds to me like he's describing Damian Lillard.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

I would trade CJ if they would take Turner and send us expirings.

 

[Hoopguru]

Butler and Thibs I bet have agreed to allow the Wolves to disclose the three teams, but in reality there are more in play for the Wolves to maximize assets in agreement to trade him soon.

 

[Cippy91]

You don’t give up cj for him even though he’s an upgrade. He has made it clear once he’s a free agent he’s going to New York.

 

[Natebishop3]

You don’t give up cj for him even though he’s an upgrade. He has made it clear once he’s a free agent he’s going to New York.

And Paul George made it clear he was going to LA.

Things change.

We aren't going to sign big name free agents, so sometimes you have to roll the dice.

 

[Cippy91]

And Paul George made it clear he was going to LA.

Things change.

We aren't going to sign big name free agents, so sometimes you have to roll the dice.

True but that’s a big roll of the dice

 

[ripcityboy]

And Paul George made it clear he was going to LA.

Things change.

We aren't going to sign big name free agents, so sometimes you have to roll the dice.

We probably are going to have to trade CJ at some point. But I'd still like to enjoy him and Dame together a bit longer before we hit the "fuck it" button. We aren't going anywhere but neither is anybody else with GS on top.

 

[BonesJones]

Can we trade 4 future 1sts? 2019, 2021, 2023, 2025? Along with Turner? I know it's 6 or 7 years of picks you can trade.

Does MIN look at that? That'd be a tough trade to turn down IMO.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Can we trade 4 future 1sts? 2019, 2021, 2023, 2025? Along with Turner? I know it's 6 or 7 years of picks you can trade.

Does MIN look at that? That'd be a tough trade to turn down IMO.

I thought there was some rule about amount of 1sts you can trade away. I dont know the specifics.

 

[BonesJones]

I thought there was some rule about amount of 1sts you can trade away. I dont know the specifics.

You can't go consecutive years without future 1sts and you can only trade future 1sts up to a certain year (Currently, it's either 2024 or 2025)