Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

[BonesJones]

If Taylor was actually in charge, this deal would’ve been done by now.

Not necessarily... those things don't correlate. Their doesn't seem to be much of a market for him. Reports are that Minnesota is pushing Miami to send them Richardson, Adebeyo, and a 1st. That just shows how little they're actually getting offered.

 

[Scalma]

So, you actually think Taylor is dumb enough to take that shitty offer? I sure as fuck wouldn't. It said Minnesota pushed for more - no mention if it was Thibs or Taylor doing the pushing.

BNM

Hmm let’s see I wonder who knows the league better, the owner or the president of basketball ops? (That’s rhetorical)

 

[Boob-No-More]

Not necessarily... those things don't correlate. Their doesn't seem to be much of a market for him. Reports are that Minnesota is pushing Miami to send them Richardson, Adebeyo, and a 1st. That just shows how little they're actually getting offered.

Turns out Thibs, the overrated coach, is a REALLY shitty GM. He drove down Butler's trade value and now all he's getting are low ball offers than the owner rightfully rejects. They'll end up getting pennies on the dollar for Butler. Rather than pout and refuse to take calls, the minute he left that meeting with Butler, he should have told all the other GMs "Jimmy is available give us you best offers". Instead, he spent days in denial, refusing to take any calls about Butler, with Butler losing trade value each and every day, until Taylor stepped in and said if he won't talk to you, call me directly"

“The owner’s trading him,” one Board of Governors attendee told ESPN on Friday. “That was made clear. It’s just a matter of when.”

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

Hmm let’s see I wonder who knows the league better, the owner or the president of basketball ops? (That’s rhetorical)

You're acting like that matters here... it doesn't. You might know your job better than your boss, but if your boss insists on things being done a certain way, your "knowledge" doesn't matter.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hmm let’s see I wonder who knows the league better, the owner or the president of basketball ops? (That’s rhetorical)

It's also totally irrelevant. The owner wants him gone, the president of ops doesn't. He WILL be traded, in spite of Thibs undermining his owner.

"Taylor and Thibodeau’s relationship is not good right now. Taylor has “significant concern” over the culture created under Thibodeau and general manager Scott Layden, according to a report from ESPN reporter Adrian Wojnarowski. Taylor’s concerns run so deep that he reportedly contemplated making organizational changes during the offseason and has second guessed his decision to grant Thibodeau the authority to control basketball operations, along with being the head coach."

It's sounding more and more like Thibs actually wants to get fired rather than try to clean up the mess he's created.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

You're acting like that matters here... it doesn't. You might know your job better than your boss, but if your boss insists on things being done a certain way, your "knowledge" doesn't matter.

Especially if your boss is reconsidering the decision to hire you in the first place.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

You're acting like that matters here... it doesn't. You might know your job better than your boss, but if your boss insists on things being done a certain way, your "knowledge" doesn't matter.

There’s nothing that actually suggests Thibs isn’t in charge, which is my point. The only retort is some report that doesn’t line up with what has (or hasn’t) happened since. My argument isn’t that Taylor didn’t tell Thibs to find a deal, I’m sure he did. My argument is Thibs will decide which package Minnesota will ultimately accept, if they do actually trade him.

 

[Scalma]

Another thing, if Taylor actually iced out Thibs, why hasn’t he quit (or been fired) yet?? If he doesn’t trust him to do his job what the fuck is the point?

 

[Boob-No-More]

There’s nothing that actually suggests Thibs isn’t in charge, which is my point. The only retort is some report that doesn’t line up with what has (or hasn’t) happened since. My argument isn’t that Taylor didn’t tell Thibs to find a deal, I’m sure he did. My argument is Thibs will decide which package Minnesota will ultimately accept, if they do actually trade him.

You don't think the owner has veto power over any trade? If Thibs brings him a shit offer, you don't think the owner can, and will say no?

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Another thing, if Taylor actually iced out Thibs, why hasn’t he quit (or been fired) yet??

He won't quit because he'd walk away from the remaining $24 million left on his 5 year, $40 million contract.

Taylor hasn't fired him yet, because he doesn't want to pay him $24 million to sit at home and do nothing.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

There’s nothing that actually suggests Thibs isn’t in charge, which is my point. The only retort is some report that doesn’t line up with what has (or hasn’t) happened since. My argument isn’t that Taylor didn’t tell Thibs to find a deal, I’m sure he did. My argument is Thibs will decide which package Minnesota will ultimately accept, if they do actually trade him.

You apparently didn't read the links I posted above. Yes, there are published reports that Thib's isn't in charge. In the days following his meeting with Butler, Thibs insisted Butler was not available and refused to field calls from other GMs. If Thibs was the one calling the shots, it would have ended right there. But he's not. His owner stepped in and forced his hand, because the owner is the one in charge.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

You don't think the owner has veto power over any trade? If Thibs brings him a shit offer, you don't think the owner can, and will say no?

BNM

Ownership vetoes usually only happen when the owner doesn’t want to trade a specific player, not vice versa.

 

[Scalma]

You apparently didn't read the links I posted above. Yes, there are published reports that Thib's isn't in charge. In the days following his meeting with Butler, Thibs insisted Butler was not available and refused to field calls from other GMs. If Thibs was the one calling the shots, it would have ended right there. But he's not. His owner stepped in and forced his hand, because the owner is the one in charge.

BNM

Taylor told Thibs to find a deal. That’s it. He didn’t tell Thibs to step aside and let him handle it, which is essentially what you’re trying to convince me of.

 

[BonesJones]

Ownership vetoes usually only happen when the owner doesn’t want to trade a specific player, not vice versa.

According to what?

Ownership vetoes happen regardless. Why could ownership veto because the don't "want to trade a specific player" for a specific package?

 

[KingSpeed]

Taylor told Thibs to find a deal. That’s it. He didn’t tell Thibs to step aside and let him handle it, which is essentially what you’re trying to convince me of.

I think I heard from Woj or somebody that the owner said direct all offers to me. This was a week or two ago.

 

[KingSpeed]

Here it is Scalma:

https://thecomeback.com/nba/timberwolves-owner-glen-taylor-jimmy-butler-deals.html

 

[Boob-No-More]

Here it is Scalma:

https://thecomeback.com/nba/timberwolves-owner-glen-taylor-jimmy-butler-deals.html

Don't bother Eric, some people aren't interested in facts that contract their narrative. I posted a link earlier to another article that quoted the exact same Woj tweet, but it was ignored.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Taylor told Thibs to find a deal. That’s it. He didn’t tell Thibs to step aside and let him handle it, which is essentially what you’re trying to convince me of.

Read the article I linked and the tweet from Woj. It says specifically that Taylor told other front offices to contact him directly.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

Read the article I linked and the tweet from Woj. It says specifically that Taylor told other front offices to contact him directly.

BNM

Fake news.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Fake news.

Exactly, it's not even in English. Obviously, a fake:



BNM

 

[blue9]

Jesus fucking christ...insufferable!

 

[jlprk]

I didn't know you're Jewish!

 

[Natebishop3]

Why does the owner want him traded? Oh yeah because Butler wants out. Any other brain busters?

heres the most likely scenario, based on all the info reported

Butler asked for a trade

Owner wants to move him instead losing of him for nothing

Told Thibs to find the best deal

Thibs hasn’t found one, whether it’s genuine or whether he’s stalling, who knows, but he’s still the one in charge. He knows the league better than Taylor, and a good leader let’s his people do their jobs.

You left out a major part to this whole thing, and really why the owner wants him gone.

Karl Anthony Towns hates Jimmy Butler. He said he would not sign an extension if Butler was going to be part of the team. The owner clearly assured him that Butler would be gone because he signed his extension.

 

[Scalma]

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[Propagandist]

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The words are so big I read them as shouting...

 

[BonesJones]

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League executives are surprised. Doesn't mean he won't either.

 

[Boob-No-More]

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They are TRYING to drive a hard bargain, but they have ZERO leverage. He wants out, his younger teammates, both Towns and Wiggins, HATE him and the owner has said TRADE HIM. Can you imagine that locker room if they don't trade him. What a shit show Thibs has orchestrated in MIN. Couldn't manage the roster he assembled and now can't traded the guy who needs to go. Overrated coach, shitty GM.

They can keep asking for the moon, but they aren't going to get it. MIA's offer (as reported) was a flaming pile of shit, but that's what they are looking at getting for a disgruntled player who is a potential 1-year rental/flight risk.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

League executives are surprised. Doesn't mean he won't either.

Taylor hasn't stepped in and a sealed the deal, because the offers they have received are shit - which is to be expected given the situation - disgruntled player who is absolutely hated by his younger max contract teammates, who has demanded a trade and is a potential 1-year rental. They are still trying to get something that approaches equal value for Butler. They are delusional.

The best part is, the longer this draws out, the less of a risk they become to challenge for a playoff spot in the Western Conference. It's already a huge distraction, and will only get bigger until Butler is gone (or worse, if he actually joins the team). Terrible roster management by Tom Thibodeau. He should have stuck to being an overrated coach and never insisted on also making the roster decisions. He brought in "his guy" who had clashed with his younger teammates in CHI to join a roster full of young players. Is anyone surprised it blew up in his face?

BNM

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Taylor hasn't stepped in and a sealed the deal, because the offers they have received are shit - which is to be expected given the situation - disgruntled player who is absolutely hated by his younger max contract teammates, who has demanded a trade and is a potential 1-year rental. They are still trying to get something that approaches equal value for Butler. They are delusional.

The best part is, the longer this draws out, the less of a risk they become to challenge for a playoff spot in the Western Conference. It's already a huge distraction, and will only get bigger until Butler is gone (or worse, if he actually joins the team). Terrible roster management by Tom Thibodeau. He should have stuck to being an overrated coach and never insisted on also making the roster decisions. He brought in "his guy" who had clashed with his younger teammates in CHI to join a roster full of young players. Is anyone surprised it blew up in his face?

BNM

I actually think its hilarious how many of ‘his guys’ he’s brought in and he still cant keep the locker room together. Its entertaining to watch this from afar.

 

[Natebishop3]

They are TRYING to drive a hard bargain, but they have ZERO leverage. He wants out, his younger teammates, both Towns and Wiggins, HATE him and the owner has said TRADE HIM. Can you imagine that locker room if they don't trade him. What a shit show Thibs has orchestrated in MIN. Couldn't manage the roster he assembled and now can't traded the guy who needs to go. Overrated coach, shitty GM.

They can keep asking for the moon, but they aren't going to get it. MIA's offer (as reported) was a flaming pile of shit, but that's what they are looking at getting for a disgruntled player who is a potential 1-year rental/flight risk.

BNM

I used to want Thibs.... so glad we don't have him.