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If Neil doesn’t believe in the city of Portland, then how is he going to sell free agents... if players like Jimmy Butler were locked up long term then they wouldn’t be available in trade for lesser talent... Neil doesn’t respect the city of Portland and that is why he won’t entertain trading CJ for Butler... he doesn’t believe free agents will fall in love with Portland and resign... OKC and Toronto’s GMs believes in their city and took gambles, and Paul George resigned and Kawai is likely as well... Hollywood Neil thinks the city of Portland is a joke and will never take a gamble so this team will remain mediocre
 
Gronk Brady said:
If Neil doesn’t believe in the city of Portland, then how is he going to sell free agents... if players like Jimmy Butler were locked up long term then they wouldn’t be available in trade for lesser talent... Neil doesn’t respect the city of Portland and that is why he won’t entertain trading CJ for Butler... he doesn’t believe free agents will fall in love with Portland and resign... OKC and Toronto’s GMs believes in their city and took gambles, and Paul George resigned and Kawai is likely as well... Hollywood Neil thinks the city of Portland is a joke and will never take a gamble so this team will remain mediocre
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Some days I definitely think that--but then NO also says how much players end up loving the city once they actually live here and realize the summers are actually really nice etc.
 
Gronk Brady said:
If Neil doesn’t believe in the city of Portland, then how is he going to sell free agents... if players like Jimmy Butler were locked up long term then they wouldn’t be available in trade for lesser talent... Neil doesn’t respect the city of Portland and that is why he won’t entertain trading CJ for Butler... he doesn’t believe free agents will fall in love with Portland and resign... OKC and Toronto’s GMs believes in their city and took gambles, and Paul George resigned and Kawai is likely as well... Hollywood Neil thinks the city of Portland is a joke and will never take a gamble so this team will remain mediocre
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Bad examples. OKC sucks and we don’t know what will happen to Toronto yet. And Oladipo turned out to be better than PG13.
 
Gronk Brady said:
Neil doesn’t respect the city of Portland and that is why he won’t entertain trading CJ for Butler... he doesn’t believe free agents will fall in love with Portland and resign.
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Don't forget Olshey's main motive, his own draft legacy-building. Olshey maximizes McCollum's stats by keeping him under his wing.
 
Gronk Brady said:
If Neil doesn’t believe in the city of Portland, then how is he going to sell free agents... if players like Jimmy Butler were locked up long term then they wouldn’t be available in trade for lesser talent... Neil doesn’t respect the city of Portland and that is why he won’t entertain trading CJ for Butler... he doesn’t believe free agents will fall in love with Portland and resign... OKC and Toronto’s GMs believes in their city and took gambles, and Paul George resigned and Kawai is likely as well... Hollywood Neil thinks the city of Portland is a joke and will never take a gamble so this team will remain mediocre
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I think it’s more simple than that, he’s just not willing to take that big of a risk. And CJ is his pick. Know what’s funny? Every first round pick he’s ever drafted (that also suited up) is still with him, including Aminu. The only one that isn’t is Bledsoe, but I bet he’d be around too if we didn’t have Lillard.
 
Gronk Brady said:
If Neil doesn’t believe in the city of Portland, then how is he going to sell free agents... if players like Jimmy Butler were locked up long term then they wouldn’t be available in trade for lesser talent... Neil doesn’t respect the city of Portland and that is why he won’t entertain trading CJ for Butler... he doesn’t believe free agents will fall in love with Portland and resign... OKC and Toronto’s GMs believes in their city and took gambles, and Paul George resigned and Kawai is likely as well... Hollywood Neil thinks the city of Portland is a joke and will never take a gamble so this team will remain mediocre
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Here you go again, passing off conjecture as fact.
 
Daryl Morey: "Give up PJ Tucker for Butler?! mmmm i don't know guys, that price is pretty steep for my liking".

Brooklyn Nets: "You honestly expect us to give up CARIS LEVERT for this Butler fellow?! who is he again? *hangs up*.

Blazers Fans: "We'll give you CJ!! fuck CJ! you want draft picks? we got draft picks! take them! we don't need any obligations from Buler or medical documents just PLEASE PLEASE send Jimmy here so he can save us! god, we're so desperate!"
 
I think trading CJ for Butler, only to have to max a Thibs guy that constantly injured (we all know Thibs runs his players into the ground) is a mistake. Is rather have CJ's contract than butler's future one.

The key is to add Butler to our core without losing CJ.

And butler id's NOT PG or Kawhi. Stop acting like he'd do what they've done.
 
The only way that Jody Allen will approve of a trade for Butler is if CJ goes out; otherwise it will become too expensive. Butler and Dieng for CJ and Harkless.
 
I'd say Butlers trade value continues to go up, as planned.
He and Thibs are working it real good. There both going to get what they want, Butler to a team of his liking and Thibs a legit star player or close to one.
 
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UKRAINEFAN said:
The only way that Jody Allen will approve of a trade for Butler is if CJ goes out; otherwise it will become too expensive. Butler and Dieng for CJ and Harkless.
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Turner/Leonard/Aminu is almost an exact dollar match for Butler/Dieng. Portland takes on the risk of Butler not coming back and take on Dieng's salary. Aminu's salary comes off the books and Turner sets up KAT and Wiggins well. Portland gets the better player but takes on the risk and extra salary long term.
 
Way too early to speculate, but it FEELS like Minny is throwing their season away by keeping Butler - they're 3-4 with Utah on deck, not terrible but still...
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Does Jody even make those decisions? I honestly don't know.
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I don't either but I read something about that she is in charge of everything that Paul did now; she has talked about carrying on the things he was interested in but I got the impression she was talking about scientific and charitable endeavors. I didn't get the impression that sports were important to her (and possibly not to Paul in his last days). This is all my conjecture and speculation.
 
Hoopguru said:
I'd say Butlers trade value continues to go up, as planned.
He and Thibs are working it real good. There both going to get what they want, Butler to a team of his liking and Thibs a legit star player or close to one.
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Based on what? HOU supposedly offered MIN four first round picks and two injured players for Butler. MIN supposedly turned that down:



Now there are rumors that MIN leaked the HOU offer in a move to get MIA back to the table.

The last time MIA had discussions with MIN it ended with Pat Riley hanging up on them.

"The LA Clippers and Brooklyn Nets — two teams with significant July salary cap space and a mutual free agent with Butler — haven’t been engaged for weeks with Minnesota, league sources said."

I'm not exactly sensing any kind of bidding war here.

BNM
 
We may have to throw in Baldwin and the rights to Federico Kammerichs and maybe a Top-55 protected 2nd round pick...but that's it!
 
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I’d send them whatever they wanted except for Dame/CJ/Collins.

With the way Collins is developing those 4 together might push us into a conference championship series.
 
A more realistic option might be to hope this is the real Sauce and he keeps getting more confidence and with Zach’s continuing development maybe by the end of the season both are playing most of their minutes on the court with Dame/CJ/Nurk. It seems that Sauce and Collins have good chemistry on the court together.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Based on what? HOU supposedly offered MIN four first round picks and two injured players for Butler. MIN supposedly turned that down:



Now there are rumors that MIN leaked the HOU offer in a move to get MIA back to the table.

The last time MIA had discussions with MIN it ended with Pat Riley hanging up on them.

"The LA Clippers and Brooklyn Nets — two teams with significant July salary cap space and a mutual free agent with Butler — haven’t been engaged for weeks with Minnesota, league sources said."

I'm not exactly sensing any kind of bidding war here.

BNM
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Because he's back on the court playing well and winning a few games.
When all this happened with him it was in the off/pre-season and it appeared Butler had them by the balls thus creating a low bid scenario.
Now that the season is on the way and Butler appears to be the catalyst for them playing well and winning, and teams having a better feel for their weakness's, it will indeed entice other teams.
I just don't think the wolves are interested in Houston's deal as they are in a win now mode, now the Miami one just may come about, on Minn. terms.
But there could be other teams just willing to trade on of the stars for a better fit as long as Butler is comfortable with the destination.
 
TBpup said:
Turner/Leonard/Aminu is almost an exact dollar match for Butler/Dieng. Portland takes on the risk of Butler not coming back and take on Dieng's salary. Aminu's salary comes off the books and Turner sets up KAT and Wiggins well. Portland gets the better player but takes on the risk and extra salary long term.
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I think long term is what she would worry about the most.
 
Hoopguru said:
Because he's back on the court playing well and winning a few games.
When all this happened with him it was in the off/pre-season and it appeared Butler had them by the balls thus creating a low bid scenario.
Now that the season is on the way and Butler appears to be the catalyst for them playing well and winning, and teams having a better feel for their weakness's, it will indeed entice other teams.
I just don't think the wolves are interested in Houston's deal as they are in a win now mode, now the Miami one just may come about, on Minn. terms.
But there could be other teams just willing to trade on of the stars for a better fit as long as Butler is comfortable with the destination.
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MIN has a losing record and KAT, the guy they signed to a max extension this summer, has been a total non-factor. They are not "playing well and winning". They are playing poorly, losing and getting booed in their own building.

They are winless on the road, and after a home game against UTA tomorrow, they have a 5-game road trip coming up in early November. Assuming they lose at home to UTA, I see them likely going 1-4 on that road trip. That would put them at 4-9 after the first month of the season. Not sure how that helps Jimmy's trade value. Last year, they got off to a hot start (7-3). This year, with all the turmoil and bad blood between Butler, KAT and Wiggins, things seem to be going downhill fast.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
MIN has a losing record and KAT, the guy they signed to a max extension this summer, has been a total non-factor. They are not "playing well and winning". They are playing poorly, losing and getting booed in their own building.

They are winless on the road, and after a home game against UTA tomorrow, they have a 5-game road trip coming up in early November. Assuming they lose at home to UTA, I see them likely going 1-4 on that road trip. That would put them at 4-9 after the first month of the season. Not sure how that helps Jimmy's trade value. Last year, they got off to a hot start (7-3). This year, with all the turmoil and bad blood between Butler, KAT and Wiggins, things seem to be going downhill fast.

BNM
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Timberwolves were 1.35 to 1 to not make the playoffs this season. Amazing value, told everybody to put whatever they can on it. I would have put $10K on it if it was legal in Poland, would have been a nice $23.5K return.
 
Boob-No-More said:
MIN has a losing record and KAT, the guy they signed to a max extension this summer, has been a total non-factor. They are not "playing well and winning". They are playing poorly, losing and getting booed in their own building.

They are winless on the road, and after a home game against UTA tomorrow, they have a 5-game road trip coming up in early November. Assuming they lose at home to UTA, I see them likely going 1-4 on that road trip. That would put them at 4-9 after the first month of the season. Not sure how that helps Jimmy's trade value. Last year, they got off to a hot start (7-3). This year, with all the turmoil and bad blood between Butler, KAT and Wiggins, things seem to be going downhill fast.

BNM
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ok....so you think Butlers trade value is the same or worse than lets say 1 math ago? I don't.
 
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