Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

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Scalma said:
I don’t think Wiggins is lazy, just passive. He reminded me of Batum in that department when I saw him at the hoop summit. I don’t think Thibs is the right coach for him either. I think he would do much better under someone who empowers their players more. Someone like Stevens, Stotts, etc.
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Passive people don't suddenly become assertive...
 
dviss1 said:
No, ownership created the toxic environment by maxing Two players who don't work hard, and lowballing the guy they wanted to mentor them.

Wiggins contract should've been very Nurk like.
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Where is this narrative coming from? Wiggins was absolutely worth the max when he got his deal-- he regressed immediately after signing it.
 
dviss1 said:
No, ownership created the toxic environment by maxing Two players who don't work hard, and lowballing the guy they wanted to mentor them.

Wiggins contract should've been very Nurk like.
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In the Wolves defense, I believe they offered him the max allowable for an extension but it's one of those stupid situations that the NBA needs to fix that he can sign for more than the extension if he just waits until free agency. This is the same thing that happened with Aldridge and why he ended up leaving instead of signing an extension the summer before.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Where is this narrative coming from? Wiggins was absolutely worth the max when he got his deal-- he regressed immediately after signing it.
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If just looking at basic stats you could probably say that but a deep dive into some advanced stats might suggest otherwise. The year before signing the extension he had averaged 23.6 points per game but had a usage rate of 29.0 while taking 19.1 shots per game. Combine that with very low assist %, rebound %, and poor defense and you can probably make a case against it. They probably felt kind of forced to give him the max though.
 
hoopsjock said:
If just looking at basic stats you could probably say that but a deep dive into some advanced stats might suggest otherwise. The year before signing the extension he had averaged 23.6 points per game but had a usage rate of 29.0 while taking 19.1 shots per game. Combine that with very low assist %, rebound %, and poor defense and you can probably make a case against it. They probably felt kind of forced to give him the max though.
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A 21 yr old wing in the summer of 2016 averaging 23 ppg with the kind of hype he had as a defensive player gets a max contract from every team. Sure they should have waited a year like they could have and let him get to RFA, but most teams would have done what they did.

TBH, I still think he'd thrive in the right environment. He looked like he was about to break out into a two way star that year before Jimmy came in.
 
yuyuza1 said:
A 21 yr old wing in the summer of 2016 averaging 23 ppg with the kind of hype he had as a defensive player gets a max contract from every team. Sure they should have waited a year like they could have and let him get to RFA, but most teams would have done what they did.

TBH, I still think he'd thrive in the right environment. He looked like he was about to break out into a two way star that year before Jimmy came in.
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His ass can stay in Minnesota.

The only player you trade for on that team is Butler and even then, don't overpay for what could turn out to be a 60 game rental.
 
hoopsjock said:
If just looking at basic stats you could probably say that but a deep dive into some advanced stats might suggest otherwise. The year before signing the extension he had averaged 23.6 points per game but had a usage rate of 29.0 while taking 19.1 shots per game. Combine that with very low assist %, rebound %, and poor defense and you can probably make a case against it. They probably felt kind of forced to give him the max though.
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I had wiggins on my fantasy team that year and I fucking hated him. His FG% was trash all the time. So inconsistent. I've never liked him as a player.
 
Strenuus said:
I had wiggins on my fantasy team that year and I fucking hated him. His FG% was trash all the time. So inconsistent. I've never liked him as a player.
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It's REALLY hard to score as much as he did and contribute so little else. As measured by PER, here are all the players who scored => 23 PTS/G with a lower PER that Wiggins that season:

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BNM
 
e_blazer said:
Mashburn gets the all-time futility award? Say it ain't so.
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For that one particular season, yes. He was never a very efficient scorer or well rounded player, but he kind of out did (under did?) himself that year.

BNM
 
His value is on the rise! lol
So I could see a Boston, Miami, Lakers Houston, (maybe us) and others eventually start to outbid one another soon with understanding that they would have a good shot to re-sign him to a max.
Both he and Thibs know its the way it works best for both of them.
 
yuyuza1 said:
https://sports.yahoo.com/jimmy-butl...r-tre-make-duke-debut-kentucky-041536081.html

I have no idea what to think of Jimmy anymore. Some days, he's cussing out his teammates and making fun of them in front of everybody while dragging them through the mud on TV, and other days, he's chartering a plane so his teammate can fly out to Indy and see his bro's debut game in college.
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Yep, terrible teammate. Wouldn't want someone like that here...

Maybe's he's just got his faves, and Tyus is one of them. Perhaps he actually puts in a Butler-approved effort level, and is therefore worthy of his acceptance. Who knows? :dunno:
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yep, terrible teammate. Wouldn't want someone like that here...

Maybe's he's just got his faves, and Tyus is one of them. Perhaps he actually puts in a Butler-approved effort level, and is therefore worthy of his acceptance. Who knows? :dunno:
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Fuck it, bring him in. We are ballin right now and just prolly one piece away from have a chance at getting to the WCF. West is wide open so far this year. Can we get him without giving up CJ/Zach/Dame?
 
yuyuza1 said:
Fuck it, bring him in. We are ballin right now and just prolly one piece away from have a chance at getting to the WCF. West is wide open so far this year. Can we get him without giving up CJ/Zach/Dame?
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Well, Turner basically matches salary...but the crazy thing is, with the way Turner is running the second unit, I'm hesitant to mess with that. I'd honestly rather trade CJ than Turner/picks.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Well, Turner basically matches salary...but the crazy thing is, with the way Turner is running the second unit, I'm hesitant to mess with that. I'd honestly rather trade CJ than Turner/picks.
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Jimmy can start, sub out early, and take over as that lead guard on the 2nd unit too.
 
HailBlazers said:
Great PR move.
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To prop up his rapidly declining trade value.

I can't recall a scenario where EVERYONE on all sides looked this bad. Jimmy looks like a complete ass and a shitty teammate. KAT and Wiggins look EXACTLY like what Jimmy said they are. Thibs looks like an even shittier GM than coach that has constantly backed the troublemaker on the expiring contract over the guys he signed to long term max contracts. And, Glen Taylor looks stupid for handing out max contracts to guys who don't care about defense and winning.

It seems to be the rare case of everybody's wrong because nobody's right.

BNM
 
101 pages about Jimmy Butler...
And i thought the Carmelo thread was awful!
 
Boob-No-More said:
To prop up his rapidly declining trade value.

I can't recall a scenario where EVERYONE on all sides looked this bad. Jimmy looks like a complete ass and a shitty teammate. KAT and Wiggins look EXACTLY like what Jimmy said they are. Thibs looks like an even shittier GM than coach that has constantly backed the troublemaker on the expiring contract over the guys he signed to long term max contracts. And, Glen Taylor looks stupid for handing out max contracts to guys who don't care about defense and winning.

It seems to be the rare case of everybody's wrong because nobody's right.

BNM
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It's amazing how the the "luster is off" two long time lottery teams that put together, what they thought, project-able talented cores in Philly and Minnesota. Philly's players just seem hit by natural talent limitations to some of their star players but Minnesota has imploded. Maybe being in first round purgatory, like Portland, is a better place to start for building a contender because while you might not have a shot at the title, the commitment from the players and the organization is there. The goal NBA teams has just become to AMASS TALENT, irregardless to the growth and coaching of that talent. Which is what makes the real difference.
 
HCP said:
Just YOU.

Shit that doesn’t work does it...... cause if I did. I wouldn’t see....... nevermind.
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