JJ Hickson to SAC? I like this guy and wish

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we were in discussions with them, good and cheap backup PF and still 21 or 22.

 
They cleared their PF clutter by trading away Landry last year, and now they have yet another PF.

They also have Cousins (who can play PF), Thompson (PF only), and now Hickson. I bet they will let Dalembert walk. Solid front line, nonetheless.
 
well not having a real GM can really make you miss opportunities.
 
FWIW, there was a time when Danny Ferry could have traded Hickson and an expiring for Amare.
 
I wish Portland would talk to people trying to get in on deals like this. Must be nice to have an active front ofice
 
I would have gladly taken hickson for batum and a future first rounder. We'd have a solid lineup

Felton, Smith, Patty?
Wes, Roy, Elliot
Crash, Wes, Babbit
LA, Hickson
Camby, Oden
 
FWIW Hickson put up 15/10 as a starter last season and 20/12 in April. Starting for the Cavs hes bound to get his numbers but he improved a lot throughout the season, proved to be a solid starter, and hes still 22 until September.

I'd say hes a fine starter next to a skilled center (i.e. ALDRIDGE but now Cousins with Sac).

Don't understand this trade for the Cavs though. Valanciunas appears to project as a skilled center who could use an athletic, bullish PF next to him. Casspi is fine but looks like a role player ultimately and for whatever reason had fallen out of favor in Sac. Hickson was putting up nice numbers and its always stupid to trade a big for a small. The pick is nice sweetner but unless they use it to move up in the draft it seems like they just traded an athletic 22 y/o PF who projects as a solid starter for a role playing SF and a mid-first that will likely be a role player at best.
 
Even more sad: The Kings drafted Cassapi one pick behind where we took Viktor Claver.
 
BlazerBeav said:
Well at least we can cross you off the list of GM candidates. Good grief.
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I would have to agree. Why trade Batum and a first round pick for a guy who will play 15 minutes a game. Unless you want to wear LMA out at center.
 
Run BJM said:
FWIW Hickson put up 15/10 as a starter last season and 20/12 in April. Starting for the Cavs hes bound to get his numbers but he improved a lot throughout the season, proved to be a solid starter, and hes still 22 until September.

I'd say hes a fine starter next to a skilled center (i.e. ALDRIDGE but now Cousins with Sac).

Don't understand this trade for the Cavs though. Valanciunas appears to project as a skilled center who could use an athletic, bullish PF next to him. Casspi is fine but looks like a role player ultimately and for whatever reason had fallen out of favor in Sac. Hickson was putting up nice numbers and its always stupid to trade a big for a small. The pick is nice sweetner but unless they use it to move up in the draft it seems like they just traded an athletic 22 y/o PF who projects as a solid starter for a role playing SF and a mid-first that will likely be a role player at best.
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Valanciunas is on the Raptors, no?
 
Meh it would be nice to have Hickson but would it be worth giving up Batum for a JJ Hickson for 1 year? There is a good chance that he would be gone after next year, he is going to be asking for a big payday and I doubt we would want to pay it.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Valanciunas is on the Raptors, no?
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Correct. Raps got Jonas, Cavs got Tristan Thompson, who is a 4. My mistake and it makes this trade make a little more sense

Still seems a tad bit extreme to trade a cheap, solid young PF to make room for your 19 year old rookie PF. I wouldn't say they got an offer they couldn't refuse for Hickson. He seems like a guy they could have used in a package with other prospects, picks, expiring contracts for a borderline star.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Exactly--CLE drafted Tristan Thompson, a PF who reportedly will be pretty good, once he learns how to play basketball.
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Obviously they're very high on him having taken him at 4 but is he really any better of a prospect than Hickson? Both 6'9 PFs coming out after their freshman year in college. JJ was a legit 240+ lbs out of college and put up better numbers. Was already producing in the league as a 22 year old. Even if Thompson is your PF of the future you can't find a way to get more for Hickson? Nothing wrong with keeping JJ as your starting 4 until the trade deadline and then let Thompson take the reigns.
 
Run BJM said:
Correct. Raps got Jonas, Cavs got Tristan Thompson, who is a 4. My mistake and it makes this trade make a little more sense
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I'm more of the opinion that Hickson's existence makes the Thompson pick make very little sense, unless they simply believed that they weren't going to be able to afford Hickson once extension-time rolled around.


Run BJM said:
Obviously they're very high on him having taken him at 4 but is he really any better of a prospect than Hickson? Both 6'9 PFs coming out after their freshman year in college. JJ was a legit 240+ lbs out of college and put up better numbers. Was already producing in the league as a 22 year old.
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My thoughts exactly.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I would have to agree. Why trade Batum and a first round pick for a guy who will play 15 minutes a game. Unless you want to wear LMA out at center.
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Hickson is way better than Batum. Sorry guys batum will not be the next scottie pippen. Gotta get a return on batum while his value is still high. We could play hickson at 3 also and have a real nice big lineup. If he's unhappy with his pt and becomes a problem he's also still a great asset to send us another great talent. BPA theory, Hickson>Batum. You seem to think of him as just a basketball player and not as an asset. A good GM wouldn't just think X's and O's. Stacking talent and trade chips to make blockbusters and get Phenom's is important. That's why we take so many euro-stashers, in hopes they break out and have value to us. Think outside the bun
 
jaspitzer said:
Hickson is way better than Batum. Sorry guys batum will not be the next scottie pippen. Gotta get a return on batum while his value is still high. We could play hickson at 3 also and have a real nice big lineup. If he's unhappy with his pt and becomes a problem he's also still a great asset to send us another great talent. BPA theory, Hickson>Batum. You seem to think of him as just a basketball player and not as an asset. A good GM wouldn't just think X's and O's. Stacking talent and trade chips to make blockbusters and get Phenom's is important. That's why we take so many euro-stashers, in hopes they break out and have value to us. Think outside the bun
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Hickson is good but to categorize him as way better then Batum is an overstatement. Hickson is good and will be a starting PF in the league but he is overrated because he put up decent numbers on one of the worst teams in the NBA. Hickson would be nice as a backup for 15m a game but to expect him to average more then 15 to 20m when he would be behind LMA/Oden/Camby/Johnson(Not sure here, Hickson isn't very smart on D so I can never see him playing center) isn't worth trading Batum, especially when Hickson is going to ask for a lot of money after the year. I'd much rather try and package Batum with Camby to get a nice player in there prime and it is annoying that Batum is considered untouchable by this franchise. He will be a great role player in the league but unless his attitude somehow changes and he stops being so passive he won't even be close to a borderline all star.
 
jaspitzer said:
Hickson is way better than Batum. Sorry guys batum will not be the next scottie pippen. Gotta get a return on batum while his value is still high. We could play hickson at 3 also and have a real nice big lineup. If he's unhappy with his pt and becomes a problem he's also still a great asset to send us another great talent. BPA theory, Hickson>Batum. You seem to think of him as just a basketball player and not as an asset. A good GM wouldn't just think X's and O's. Stacking talent and trade chips to make blockbusters and get Phenom's is important. That's why we take so many euro-stashers, in hopes they break out and have value to us. Think outside the bun
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You are right batum will not be the next Scotty Pippen. And Hickson is a decent player. But trading Batum for him would be filling one hole and creating another. Batum can cover 3-4 positions. He is an asset. And throwing in another asset (first round pick) is not stacking talent IMO. Even if we suck at drafting the pick still has value. And what if we do suck next year as so many of you are suggesting, you want to give the 17, 16, 15th pick in the draft too?

I would pass on that.
 
Here's some stuff from an Ohio sports writer at Ohio.com:
"But it was also about consistency, the hallmark of NBA professionalism. The quintessential Hickson might have come in last season’s stunning opening victory over the Boston Celtics. Hickson poured in 10 first-quarter points, went scoreless in the second quarter and finished with 21.

At the time, it seemed like a promising effort from Hickson. By the end of the season, nights like those had to be maddening. It practically became his M.O. — go crazy in the first quarter, finish with laudable halftime totals, then fade into oblivion. When he played well in the fourth quarter, it seemed like a bonus.

Short of a heart transplant, Scott might have run out of ways to motivate Hickson. The fact that Scott had to do that on more than one occasion defies logic. A coach has to try to make a professional player try? How laughable does that sound?

The 19th overall pick in 2008, Hickson averaged 13.8 points and 8.7 rebounds last season; 9.1 points and 5.7 rebounds for his career. Considering his talent, 5.7 offensive rebounds per game should have been more like it.

Hickson was in the final year of his contract next season and might have commanded $8 million to $10 million per year on the open market under the system that was to expire at midnight. The Cavs couldn’t afford to pay a Jekyll-and-Hyde player like Hickson that much. And they didn’t want to run the risk of getting nothing for him, although they do seem ready to contradict that premise if they let the trade exception they received for Mr. South Beach lapse.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
You are right batum will not be the next Scotty Pippen. And Hickson is a decent player. But trading Batum for him would be filling one hole and creating another. Batum can cover 3-4 positions. He is an asset. And throwing in another asset (first round pick) is not stacking talent IMO. Even if we suck at drafting the pick still has value. And what if we do suck next year as so many of you are suggesting, you want to give the 17, 16, 15th pick in the draft too?

I would pass on that.
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We wouldn't create a hole, we have enough wing players, and hickson would be able to cover the 3 as well. I don't think we'll suck, I think we'll be trading away a 25th or 26th pick so not too much value there. Hickson would be important because he'd be able to take a lot of the load off of LA. We'd only be able to have Batum for 1 more year anyway, might as well get some value for him now instead of letting him walk later without getting anyone back. Wing players (like batum) are the easiest players to get in the league and everyone overvalues their young wings, especially portland trail blazer fans. Batum is very replaceable. We need help in the front court, not the backcourt.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
The 19th overall pick in 2008, Hickson averaged 13.8 points and 8.7 rebounds last season; 9.1 points and 5.7 rebounds for his career. Considering his talent, 5.7 offensive rebounds per game should have been more like it.
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He was 15th in rebounds per minute, if minimum 1000 minutes.
http://bkref.com/tiny/AxVbs

4 players exceeded both his rebounds and points per minute.
http://bkref.com/tiny/GT770
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That quote is beyond idiotic. He was drafted onto a contending team as a 19 year old rookie. He still got 10 mpg his first year, upped it to 20 mpg his second year, and even last season he only averaged 28 mpg overall but if you look more closely he earned a starting job and 30+ mpg to go along with his 15+/10+ statline by the last few months of the season. Apparently this writer expected him to come in as a 19th overall pick, 19 year old on a Eastern Conference Finals team and start dropping 20/10 on bitches.
 
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