Trade Joe Ingles - Arrival and Departure

[blazerkor]

It appears we may try

I'm not trying to beat the obviously dead Ben Simmons horse but if we can facilitate a sign and trade with one of our lotto picks, a signed and traded Nurk and a big TPE to the Nets while we get Simmons... that could be a possibility if Cronin tried for Simmons now and was rebuffed but still really wants him.

I don't think the idea that LaVine or Harden are coming here on there own is at all realistic so I hope Joe's not banking on some shit like that. However there might be teams that want a draft pick and cap space or a TPE that would do unbalanced trades for star players they aren't happy with. We'll just have to wait and see. Like probably wait six excruciating months and then see.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Apparently we are valuing Hughes.

The Blazers value Hughes as a developmental prospect and continued to create financial flexibility by trading for Ingles, who is making $14 million in the final season of his contract.

The Blazers do NOT value Hughes. He's not a shooting guard, and he can actually shoot.

 

[blazerkor]

Apparently we are valuing Hughes.

The Blazers value Hughes as a developmental prospect and continued to create financial flexibility by trading for Ingles, who is making $14 million in the final season of his contract.

I think right now we value anyone who's contract isn't guaranteed for next season. Joe seems to have a one track mind to clear cap space for this summer with a little background noise of getting some draft assets at the same time, if it's convenient.

 

[illmatic99]

Woj confirms we got the MEM pick from this year, which could be the 58th pick or so. lol

 

[Mediocre Man]

@Mediocre Man

 

[Eli Vance]

I'm digging all the draft picks we're getting. Gives us a lot of options to move up in the draft. Trade those 2nd's to move up late in the first round. Trade our first and second rounder to maybe move up to the top three in the draft. Lots of options. Loving it.

 

[MickZagger]

Are we getting Harden next season? Or maybe Lavine?

I have zero interest in Harden whatsoever. Simmons, yes. Lavine, yes. A strong hell no on Harden

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Wow!….Who saw this coming?

I called it. I won like $523K in Vegas on it!

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I have zero interest in Harden whatsoever. Simmons, yes. Lavine, yes. A strong hell no on Harden

Exactly how I feel Harden is a quitter.

 

[AldoTrapani]

This also has crossed my mind. If Jody is planning on selling hopefully the team will remain in Portland. Merritt Paulson Will need some help.

He could go in on it with Phil Knights son. I heard he’s a big blazer fan. Just need to ask his dad for the bread

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I swear I thought of acquiring Ingles just as a solid veteran voice. Also because he's Australian... like Ben Simmons.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

The....

"...and perhaps more at the deadline"

from Woj, I don't think that is just a throwaway line.

I still think he is aiming for end of season. The only solid asset we have left is what we hope is a high lottery pick; he can't do anything to mess up the tank.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why would they not trade Dame then? Are they bamboozling Dame by telling them they're trying to build a contender but stripping it down to parts to sell the team?

What if we are looking to trade him but Dame is doing us a solid and not demanding a trade so we can get good value?

 

[BrianFromWA]

What if we are looking to trade him but Dame is doing us a solid and not demanding a trade so we can get good value?

If that were the case, why would Dame allow us to win the trade taking all of his new team's shiny assets?

 

[tlongII]

Ingles is a salary dump. Plain and simple.

 

[maxiep]

I went to the Jazz game in December. Ingles was flirting with an unattractive woman near courtside for about 20 minutes after his shootaround.

 

[beast blazer]

34 coming off an acl tear...salary dump.

 

[maxiep]

A new owner could just… do this themselves if that’s what they wanted.

And it would cost tens of millions and set back putting his own stamp on the team by two to three years. We're doing it beforehand.

 

[wizenheimer]

No this is fine and I supported the CJ trade, as did a majority of this board. Its only the Clippers trade that was indefensible, and had 80% of the board against it.

the CJ trade got quite a bit worse with news about the secondary 1st to Portland if the Pels pick doesn't convey this season

 

[handiman]

And coming off a torn ACL at age 35.

His game isn't predicated on athleticism. I see no harm in keeping him around if his contract remains reasonable. I feel like he was already considered too old when he first broke into the league.

For this, he (Ingles) wants to play here - and he would only likely do it if Portland chooses to go over the cap to sign him for more than Utah would be willing to - as Portland now has his bird-rights.

I guess it depends how much Utah is willing to pay him, but it's hard to imagine his salary jumping up considerably after the injury and already seeing his role somewhat reduced. With how little we have committed going forward, a $13M/yr guy on a short contract doesn't sound like a bad thing.

He tore his knee and is going to be 35, doesn't make sense to sign on a rebuilding team.

By that reasoning, keeping Dame doesn't make sense, either. If they're going to build around Dame, they need players that fit well around him immediately, not a few years down the road when he's declining.

 

[Labinot41]

the CJ trade got quite a bit worse with news about the secondary 1st to Portland if the Pels pick doesn't convey this season

What happens to the Pelicans pick if it doesn't convey this year? Do we get the Pelicans pick in 2023 ? Protected? Unprotected?

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[wizenheimer]

I thought the CBA prevented a team from re-signing a player they have traded for a full calendar year?

 

[andalusian]

I guess it depends how much Utah is willing to pay him, but it's hard to imagine his salary jumping up considerably after the injury and already seeing his role somewhat reduced. With how little we have committed going forward, a $13M/yr guy on a short contract doesn't sound like a bad thing.

I would not pay that much to a guy that comes back from an ACL injury at an advanced age. This smells like a Festus Ezeli idea.

The Blazers seem to be in a mixed mode - give it one more try to build a contender around Dame while keeping some promising bits if it fails for a longer rebuild. That's not the kind of rebuild that calls for a $13m veteran coming of an ACL injury. This is the kind of purchase you make the year after if the quick rebuild around Dame shows signs it can be a contender.

I suspect that if we do not see that quickly next year, Dame will be traded for whatever they can get for him to rebuild around Ant, Nas, Nurk (or whoever they get for him if he is traded) - for a younger team.

 

[TBpup]

I thought the CBA prevented a team from re-signing a player they have traded for a full calendar year?

Does that apply if they are a FA?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I thought the CBA prevented a team from re-signing a player they have traded for a full calendar year?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101

• A team cannot reacquire a player it traded away during the same season (a season for this purpose being defined as starting on the first day of the regular season and ending on the last day of the Finals). If the player was traded between seasons (i.e., from the first day after the Finals to the last day prior to the start of the next regular season), it cannot reacquire the player prior to the end of the next season. If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first6. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, it can reacquire the player during the same season.

So the 1-year provision applies after being waived. After being traded, it's just the end of the season.

 

[Scalma]

I wonder if they got ingles with the intention of flipping him. Could get more players for him than Satoransky. Just thinking out loud.

 

[wizenheimer]

What happens to the Pelicans pick if it doesn't convey this year? Do we get the Pelicans pick in 2023 ? Protected? Unprotected?

no....Blazers get Milwaukee's 2025 first round pick; and last I saw it was unprotected but Cronin allowed the Pels to add top-4 protection (not that it matters much)

 

[wizenheimer]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101

So the 1-year provision applies after being waived. After being traded, it's just the end of the season.

I wonder if the Blazers gave Utah an assurance they wouldn't waive him if they can flip him

 

[Labinot41]

no....Blazers get Milwaukee's 2025 first round pick; and last I saw it was unprotected but Cronin allowed the Pels to add top-4 protection (not that it matters much)

Wtf