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Josh Hart and Ingles have the potential to become fan favourites in Portland, they seem like funny guys, and really important for the locker room. Even though i doubt Ingles will stay after this season. He's to connected to Utah
 
He used to be a player that I'd like to have here, but Father Time has won yet again, and he has declined precipitously.
 
Mike Richman on his pod had a segment explaining the bird rights comment and how it signifies that Cronin wants to retain it solely to act like a team above the cap going into the draft/free agency (because of Ingles' 20 mil caphold).

This way, Cronin can use the TPE. And Ingles will never ever play a game for the Blazers.

OK then.

Anyways... we could have done the exact same thing by just keeping RoCo through the summer. Why we need to go about these circuitous machinations to accomplish simple things, I have no idea. And the media justification is more hilarious than anything.

If Olshey had done what Cronin did, he would be getting skewered left and right.
 
illmatic99 said:
Mike Richman on his pod had a segment explaining the bird rights comment and how it signifies that Cronin wants to retain it solely to act like a team above the cap going into the draft/free agency (because of Ingles' 20 mil caphold).

This way, Cronin can use the TPE. And Ingles will never ever play a game for the Blazers.

OK then.

Anyways... we could have done the exact same thing by just keeping RoCo through the summer. Why we need to go about these circuitous machinations to accomplish simple things, I have no idea. And the media justification is more hilarious than anything.

If Olshey had done what Cronin did, he would be getting skewered left and right.
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I think many were so sick of Olshey they would criticize anything he did. Olshey did a lot of good moves over the years, the main problems he had, which were both horrible, was the 2016 offseason contracts and building this years roster around four 6'3" guards.

The issue is Roco might sign day 1 in free agency such as a max MLE type offer. Seems very unlikely Ingels will get that at the start of free agency. We can probably keep Ingels cap hold there, and potentially explore using him in a sign and trades to bring a player here depending on what else would need to be in a trade. That could bring a starter here in addition to using the TPE to bring a starter here.

I'm totally against the horrible Clippers trade, but all the other moves have made sense.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I think many were so sick of Olshey they would criticize anything he did. Olshey did a lot of good moves over the years, the main problems he had, which were both horrible, was the 2016 offseason contracts and building this years roster around four 6'3" guards.
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NeO was a fine judge of talent, usually. It was the roster construction and not understanding what sunk cost means that failed him.
 
illmatic99 said:
Mike Richman on his pod had a segment explaining the bird rights comment and how it signifies that Cronin wants to retain it solely to act like a team above the cap going into the draft/free agency (because of Ingles' 20 mil caphold).

This way, Cronin can use the TPE. And Ingles will never ever play a game for the Blazers.

OK then.

Anyways... we could have done the exact same thing by just keeping RoCo through the summer. Why we need to go about these circuitous machinations to accomplish simple things, I have no idea. And the media justification is more hilarious than anything.

If Olshey had done what Cronin did, he would be getting skewered left and right.
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I know it's a small sample, but Winslow is looking much more like Miami Winslow now that he's getting real minutes. With how Roco looked this year, are you sure you'd rather have stayed with Roco and his expiring/cap hold over what Winslow is bringing the team this year and maybe down the road?
 
Fitz303 said:
I know it's a small sample, but Winslow is looking much more like Miami Winslow now that he's getting real minutes. With how Roco looked this year, are you sure you'd rather have stayed with Roco and his expiring/cap hold over what Winslow is bringing the team this year and maybe down the road?
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Only issue with Winslow is health. If he stays healthy - he is a better player than Roco overall, even if he does not shoot the 3 as well as Roco does.
 
Fitz303 said:
I know it's a small sample, but Winslow is looking much more like Miami Winslow now that he's getting real minutes. With how Roco looked this year, are you sure you'd rather have stayed with Roco and his expiring/cap hold over what Winslow is bringing the team this year and maybe down the road?
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My point has nothing to do with Winslow, and you're kidding yourself if Cronin considered him as anything more than a salary filler in that trade. And Winslow accidentally turning into a rotational player doesn't suddenly validate Cronin's approach/thinking.

One of the key points of this deadline was to evaluate Cronin's vision and execution. Winslow doesn't exactly change change my opinions on that.
 
andalusian said:
Only issue with Winslow is health. If he stays healthy - he is a better player than Roco overall, even if he does not shoot the 3 as well as Roco does.
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like everything else Winslow has shown, but he might have the ugliest jumpshot of any blazer in recent history.
 
Fitz303 said:
I know it's a small sample, but Winslow is looking much more like Miami Winslow now that he's getting real minutes. With how Roco looked this year, are you sure you'd rather have stayed with Roco and his expiring/cap hold over what Winslow is bringing the team this year and maybe down the road?
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Winslow is more of a Billups player than Roco and I say that as someone that didn’t even wanna trade him. His playmaking alone has diversified the offense. I don’t see much of a downgrade defensively either. He can’t shoot, but Roco couldn’t put the ball on the floor and create. Judging by the types of players he seems to prefer, I’m pretty sure Billups would take that trade off anytime.
 
I hope we keep him at a minimal cost. His energy level is always high and although he can't shoot right now, he's still making a difference on the court.
He's an example to the other players of how effort can get you rebounds and steals that you wouldn't get by standing around. I'm tired of guys standing around.
His shooting can only get better and I hope it does.
 
Curious with Ingles having surgery today, who pays for that? Did the Blazers trade for him and then have to pay for his surgery he sustained with Utah? Just curious how all that works.
 
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twobullz said:
Curious with Ingles having surgery today, who pays for that? Did the Blazers trade for him and then have to pay for his surgery he sustained with Utah? Just curious how all that works.
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I wondered the same thing!
I wonder if insurance is a league wide thing, and not team by team.
 
I give Cronin credit for having balls to make moves, even if I thought the LAC deal was atrocious. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward, and I’ve heard folks say Cronin understands the salary cap. So maybe he’ll figure out how to use the assets he created under the CBA. I’ll give him props if he does.

NO could never admit when he was wrong and wasn’t willing to take a possible step back to move forward. We keep seeing lopsided deals and analysts saying that contracts are assets. Maybe Joe might just figure out how to build a better team through his use of assets, even if those assets don’t seem as attractive to us, whether as players on the team or financial assets.

If nothing else, given what I’ve seen the past two decades, I’m willing to give some patience and take a “wait-and-see” approach to be with this potential new philosophy to building a competitive team.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I give Cronin credit for having balls to make moves, even if I thought the LAC deal was atrocious. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward, and I’ve heard folks say Cronin understands the salary cap. So maybe he’ll figure out how to use the assets he created under the CBA. I’ll give him props if he does.

NO could never admit when he was wrong and wasn’t willing to take a possible step back to move forward. We keep seeing lopsided deals and analysts saying that contracts are assets. Maybe Joe might just figure out how to build a better team through his use of assets, even if those assets don’t seem as attractive to us, whether as players on the team or financial assets.

If nothing else, given what I’ve seen the past two decades, I’m willing to give some patience and take a “wait-and-see” approach to be with this potential new philosophy to building a competitive team.
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The distinction here is that Cronin didn't admit he was wrong either. He's admitting Olshey was wrong, which he himself said is an "easy" decision to tear down a team by taking back shit value. Remains to be seen how we rebuild. And the rumors we have heard so far is he's 0/3 on his targets : Simmons/Grant/Finney-Smith. And Grant he missed on partially because he couldn't get enough assets for Norm/Roco to flip to Detroit.

Let's see if he can pry anyone else.
 
illmatic99 said:
Mike Richman on his pod had a segment explaining the bird rights comment and how it signifies that Cronin wants to retain it solely to act like a team above the cap going into the draft/free agency (because of Ingles' 20 mil caphold).

This way, Cronin can use the TPE. And Ingles will never ever play a game for the Blazers.

OK then.

Anyways... we could have done the exact same thing by just keeping RoCo through the summer. Why we need to go about these circuitous machinations to accomplish simple things, I have no idea. And the media justification is more hilarious than anything.

If Olshey had done what Cronin did, he would be getting skewered left and right.
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Dame seems to think JI will be on the team next year.
 
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