Joe Six Pack

[ucatchtrout]

She is from a small town in Alaska that I had never heard of prior to her candidacy, and last year she finally cleared $100k with Todd as the governor of Alaska, although he lost $10k racing something called a snow machine.

She IS folksy, by definition. I'm sorry you are jaded about it, but I would imagine your take would be different if Joe Biden wasn't asking people to join him tomorrow at a restaurant that closed in 1990 to prove his "Six Pack" bona fides.

Disagree.

She is an elitist hick, and a member of a wacko church that some might even label a cult.

If she was truly folksy she might have shown a bit of compassion when Biden choked up over the car accident, but no, she changed the subject and went back to spouting off about what a maverick John McCain is and what a maverick she is.

She has her own agenda. And she doesn't really give a damn about Joesixpack.

 

[Denny Crane]

Disagree.

She is an elitist hick, and a member of a wacko church that some might even label a cult.

If she was truly folksy she might have shown a bit of compassion when Biden choked up over the car accident, but no, she changed the subject and went back to spouting off about what a maverick John McCain is and what a maverick she is.

She has her own agenda. And she doesn't really give a damn about Joesixpack.

What a wacko religious nut!

IFILL: Governor, would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the nation?

PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead.

But I also want to clarify, if there's any kind of suggestion at all from my answer that I would be anything but tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves, you know, I am tolerant and I have a very diverse family and group of friends and even within that group you would see some who may not agree with me on this issue, some very dear friends who don't agree with me on this issue.

 

[ucatchtrout]

What a wacko religious nut!.

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

Palin views the church as the source of an important, if sometimes politically explosive, message. "Having grown up here, and having little kids grow up here also, this is such a special, special place," she told the congregation in June. "What comes from this church I think has great destiny."

and what comes from this church which

preaches that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

and that is tame compared to some of the other ideas this church and Palin promote.

 

[ucatchtrout]

Former Senator Chafee Calls Sarah Palin a “Cocky Wacko” and I Couldn’t Agree More
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Former, easygoing, Rhode Island Sen. Lincoln Chafee has referred to Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin, as a, ”cocky wacko,” during comments to a Washington think tank.

I couldn’t agree more.

Chafee claims that Palin’s mere nomination and recent foolish comments have energized Obama backers. ”People were coming into my office, phone calls were flooding in, e-mails were coming in, ‘I just sent money to Obama, I couldn’t sleep last night’ — from the left. To see this cocky wacko up there,” he said.

Chafee has come out and said what most on the left are already thinking, and that is that Palin, a fundamentalist Christian, social Conservative, harbors positions that are downright dangerous. These positions include:

- Choose life, even if her own daughter were raped. (Nov 2006)

- Ok to deny benefits to homosexual couples. (Aug 2006)

- No spousal benefits for same-sex couples. (Jul 2006)

- We don’t know what the plan is to ever end the war. (Aug 2008)

- Focus on fighting Al-Qaeda terrorists, not on reading rights. (Sep 2008)

- “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?” –Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co”, July 2008

- “Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.” –Sarah Pailn, on the Iraq war, speaking to students at the Wasilla Assembly of God, June 2008

- God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats.”

I think it was a bit longer than 4000 years ago…the Egyptians were not riding dinosaurs last time I checked. Oh! That’s right! Sarah is a Christian fundamentalist, so that means the world is only four thousand years old. I’m so silly…

And then there’s the comment on her willingness to go to war with Russia during an interview with Charlie Gibson on ABC…When asked by Gibson if under the NATO treaty, the U.S. would have to go to war if Russia again invaded Georgia, Palin responded: “Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you’re going to be expected to be called upon and help.

“And we’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable…”

Wow.

So let’s sum up shall we.

An ex-prom queen who was a CEO for ten minutes, and governor of a state that no one talks about…ever…is one McCain ‘old man illness’ or death, away from the presidency. She has no concept of history, can’t define the duties of her potential job, is anti-gay, anti-civil rights, a bible thumping Christian fundamentalist who puts God ahead of women, would in all likely hood re-kindle a Cold War with Russia…I think we can stop now.

You know, I was a hiring manager once, and I have seen Sarah Palin a million times. She is much like every other under-qualified woman looking to get hooked up in a job that is way out of her league, who thinks cute library glasses and a well-made push-up bra, somehow compensate for a general lack of critical analysis skills, regarding the issues and a thin resume. It is what it is, plus she’s a nut.

If I wanted a nit-wit to be VP, I’d call Dan Quayle.

For me, experience isn’t the issue with Palin, intelligence is.

She’s walks like a bimbo, she talks like a bimbo, she utters bimbo-isms like her husband being the, “First dude…”, and we all know BIMBO=STUPID. Just because you’re easy to look at, doesn’t mean you can lead…sorry Sarah.

This is the best America can do? Geraldine Ferraro makes Sarah Palin look like a circus side-show turned MILF political election year gag reel.

It’s pathetic. I mean really. Is McCain desperate or what?

Moreover, the Republicans have once again managed to distract America from the real problem - that problem being John McCain. You don’t hear him squaking about no media coverage anymore do you? Of course not. If the media was paying attention and actually holding McCain to the fire, he’d still be 5+ points behind Obama. But, in typical fashion, the media is ga-ga over the Cosmo VP nominee.

Democrats need to re-focus on McCain for the next two months and let Palin implode. She has already started to. Hopefully her God given foolishness win win the day.

http://capitolstreet.wordpress.com/...palin-a-cocky-wacko-and-i-couldnt-agree-more/

 

[maxiep]

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

I don't think you understand what this post means. Re-read it and try again.

 

[maxiep]

BTW, trout, I'd like to applaud your Yega-like ability to find every whackjob website on the internet.

 

[julius]

I don't think you understand what this post means. Re-read it and try again.

What do you think it means?

 

[maxiep]

What do you think it means?

She's praying not only for the troops, but that the work they're doing is God's Plan. It's not that hard to decipher.

 

[ucatchtrout]

BTW, trout, I'd like to applaud your Yega-like ability to find every whackjob website on the internet.

well, since hes not here someone has to do his work. its gods will.

 

[julius]

She's praying not only for the troops, but that the work they're doing is God's Plan. It's not that hard to decipher.

I can't speak for Trout, but I took what he said as implying that's what she said. To me, that's crazy to think that us invading another country (and killing people) is "God's plan".

That borders on a very dangerous cliff that I'm not about to hang on the shoulders of a God or religion.

I would think that you'd think those on the other side of the fight thinking they're doing God's work (suicide bombers, jihadists, etc) are crazy, wouldn't you?

 

[ucatchtrout]

I don't think you understand what this post means. Re-read it and try again.

She is praying there is a plan and that its gods plan.

What if it isn't gods plan? What if its Exxons plan, or Dick Cheneys plan, or George Bushs plan? Or if there is no plan at all.

She is also praying that a new pipeline be built in Alaska and calling that gods plan.

How the hell does she know if god has a plan? or what the plan might be?

Is she in direct communication with god? Or does she leave that up to the pastor who prays that witches don't interfear with Sarahs political ambitions, or the pastor that says that those who disagree with George Bush are influenced by the devil?

 

[maxiep]

I can't speak for Trout, but I took what he said as implying that's what she said. To me, that's crazy to think that us invading another country (and killing people) is "God's plan".

That borders on a very dangerous cliff that I'm not about to hang on the shoulders of a God or religion.

I would think that you'd think those on the other side of the fight thinking they're doing God's work (suicide bombers, jihadists, etc) are crazy, wouldn't you?

I would think that not standing up to terrorists--who believe doing his work by intentionally killing innocent women, children and civilians--would be NOT doing his work.

 

[maxiep]

She is praying there is a plan and that its gods plan.

What if it isn't gods plan? What if its Exxons plan, or Dick Cheneys plan, or George Bushs plan? Or if there is no plan at all.

She is also praying that a new pipeline be built in Alaska and calling that gods plan.

How the hell does she know if god has a plan? or what the plan might be?

Is she in direct communication with god? Or does she leave that up to the pastor who prays that witches don't interfear with Sarahs political ambitions, or the pastor that says that those who disagree with George Bush are influenced by the devil?

You ask me to read her mind when I can only read her words. But from what I can read, she is praying that those who have chosen this path and those who are participating in it are doing God's work. Note that she's not saying it IS God's work (as that is unknowable), but that she prays that it is God's work.

I'm not particularly religious, so I offer no insight other than reading comprehension.

 

[ucatchtrout]

I would think that not standing up to terrorists--who believe doing his work by intentionally killing innocent women, children and civilians--would be NOT doing his work.

So, your god knows better than THEIR god?

National policy and international policy based on someones interpretation of what they think god wants or doesn't want is dangerous. Which is exactly why the founding fathers wanted to maintain a separation between church and state.

When you put someone in office who defies subpoenas and the courts and takes their orders from the almighty and believes in the rapture you are traveling down a dangerous road.

 

[ucatchtrout]

I offer no insight other than reading comprehension.

maybe we just interpret her words differently.

I watched the entire prayer and speech she gave that was posted on youtube.

 

[julius]

I would think that not standing up to terrorists--who believe doing his work by intentionally killing innocent women, children and civilians--would be NOT doing his work.

I'm a little confused. You're saying that doing their work by killing innocent women, children and civilians is bad, but that us accidentally killing those same groups to stop the others is ok?

Killing is killing, and a vengeful god is not a friendly god.

[video=youtube;vweSLmSgO-k]

 

[Denny Crane]

Parsing the words, she is praying that the soldiers work also is god's work. Indicating that she doesn't know if it is or not.

I happen to disagree with her position on gay marriage. It's a common law marriage, by definition, when two people live together as if married, and why should anyone care if a gay couple wants to call it marriage? So the church doesn't have to recognize it, that's their right.

I do agree with her stated position that I heard with my own ears and posted here - that I would be tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves.

As for HuffingtonPost, what a bunch of nutjobs.

 

[julius]

Parsing the words, she is praying that the soldiers work also is god's work. Indicating that she doesn't know if it is or not.

I don't know if it is or not (because I'm agnostic), but I don't want to be putting the death of people in the name of God in that manner. And I would hope that we're past doing the "killing in God's name" thinking. I do consider praying to make sure what they're doing is "God's plan" no different than people killing people in God's name.

Take "God" out of it, and it's more defend-able (our side).

Do you see what I'm getting at? It's a touchy issue, so I might be explaining it bad.

I happen to disagree with her position on gay marriage. It's a common law marriage, by definition, when two people live together as if married, and why should anyone care if a gay couple wants to call it marriage? So the church doesn't have to recognize it, that's their right.

Marriage to me, should be a legal thing. The Church or religion, shouldn't have a say. Why not let gays and lesbians suffer like the rest of us?

 

[ucatchtrout]

Parsing the words, she is praying that the soldiers work also is god's work. Indicating that she doesn't know if it is or not.

I happen to disagree with her position on gay marriage. It's a common law marriage, by definition, when two people live together as if married, and why should anyone care if a gay couple wants to call it marriage? So the church doesn't have to recognize it, that's their right.

I do agree with her stated position that I heard with my own ears and posted here - that I would be tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves.

As for HuffingtonPost, what a bunch of nutjobs.

some other sources of her previously stated opinions on gays and gay marriage. she appears to have flipflopped in the debate.

Vetoed bill denying benefits to gays, as unconstitutional
Ms. Palin said she supported Alaska's decision to amend its Constitution to ban same-sex marriage.
Source: New York Times, pp. A1 & A10, "An Outsider Who Charms" Aug 29, 2008

Ok to deny benefits to homosexual couples
Here's what Sarah Palin has to say about same-sex marriage. Palin said she's not out to judge anyone and has good friends who are gay, but that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment.

Elected officials can't defy the court when it comes to how rights are applied, she said, but she would support a ballot question that would deny benefits to homosexual couples. "I believe that honoring the family structure is that important," Palin said. She said she doesn't know if people choose to be gay.
Source: Anchorage Daily News, "Little play," by K. Hopkins Aug 6, 2006

No spousal benefits for same-sex couples
Q: Do you support the Alaska Supreme Court's ruling that spousal benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples?

A: No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens as defined in our constitution.
Source: Eagle Forum 2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire Jul 31, 2006

 

[ucatchtrout]

HRC says she's pretty anti-gay.

Pretty, and pretty anti-gay.

Could it be a winning combination for McCain?

Here's what HRC has to say:
Today, presumptive Republican Presidential nominee Senator John McCain announced he has chosen first term Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his choice to be his Vice Presidential running mate. Although only holding an executive, state-wide office for less than two years, Gov. Palin has already shown that she is a fierce opponent of equality.
“America may not know much about Sarah Palin, but based on what our community has seen of her, we know enough,” said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. “Sarah Palin not only supported the 1998 Alaska constitutional amendment banning marriage equality but, in her less than two years as Governor, even expressed the extreme position of supporting stripping away domestic partner benefits for state workers. When you can’t even support giving our community the rights to health insurance and pension benefits, it’s a frightening window into where she stands on equality.”
When asked about the right-wing’s reaction to the choice of Gov Palin, the New York Times quoted Ralph Reed, the former head of the Christian Coalition as saying, “They’re beyond ecstatic”.

Highlights of Governor Palin’s Anti-Equality Record:
Prior to being elected governor, Palin supported the 1998 constitutional amendment barring marriage for same-sex couples and has said she would support a ballot measure overturning a state supreme court decision mandating benefits for domestic partners of state employees
She is close to “traditional values” groups, like Family Research Council, because she is strongly anti-choice Marriage and Relationship Recognition


Palin told the Anchorage Daily News that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment on marriage.
In addition, she told the Daily News that she would support a ballot question that would deny benefits to the domestic partners of public employees, which were ordered by an October 2005 decision of the Alaska Supreme Court, because, she said “honoring the family structure is that important."
While she followed the Court’s decision and he also signed legislation –her first legislative act as Governor of Alaska—to put the issue on the April 2007 ballot for a nonbinding advisory vote. This was the only issue on the ballot and that election cost the state taxpayers $1.2 million. This measure passed, but the legislature did not follow the public’s advice and it chose not to take any further action to overturn the court’s decision. · She did, however, veto legislation passed by the state legislature in 2006 that would have prohibited providing DP benefits to state workers, in defiance of the Alaska Supreme Court’s ruling. She did this after the Supreme Court had already ruled and the Attorney General (Republican) advised her that the legislation was unconstitutional. Palin went on to state that, as a matter of policy, she was in favor of the bill. Ties to Anti-LGBT Groups
She will be honored alongside anti-gay Representative Michelle Bachman (R-MN) at an event at the 2008 Republican Convention, the “Life of the Party,” sponsored in part by long-time opponent of GLBT rights, Phyllis Schlafly.
http://www.examiner.com/x-391-Denve...tty-antigay--a-winning-combination-for-McCain

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't know if it is or not (because I'm agnostic), but I don't want to be putting the death of people in the name of God in that manner. And I would hope that we're past doing the "killing in God's name" thinking. I do consider praying to make sure what they're doing is "God's plan" no different than people killing people in God's name.

Take "God" out of it, and it's more defend-able (our side).

Do you see what I'm getting at? It's a touchy issue, so I might be explaining it bad.

As far as I understand it, the God of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims are the same God.

You make it out to be our toppling Saddam was a mission of conquest and domination. I've never seen it that way, but rather a mission of mercy and rescue. It's true that a lot of civilians have died, though I would point out that only a fraction by the hands of our soldiers and most of those in the first 3 weeks. It's a tough proposition - do you leave things as they are and stand by when 300,000 to 3M people are slaughtered by a brutal dictator we helped maintain power over the years, or do you topple him and suffer civilian deaths to save many more lives than are lost?

Marriage to me, should be a legal thing. The Church or religion, shouldn't have a say. Why not let gays and lesbians suffer like the rest of us?

Well, marriage has two meanings. It is recognized by the church, traditionally, going back millennium. It is recognized by the state for maybe half as long, and then in accordance with the church's definition.

We are a secular nation that fosters all religions; at least we're supposed to be. Our laws are based in English common law going back centuries.

See this for a better explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage

 

[Denny Crane]

some other sources of her previously stated opinions on gays and gay marriage. she appears to have flipflopped in the debate.

She's supposed to enforce the law of the land (Alaska). I see no inconsistencies with that in these out of context quotes you provide.

 

[Denny Crane]

Geez, maybe someone should go find Michael Savage's site and post some anti-Obama stuff that sounds "true" too.

 

[julius]

As far as I understand it, the God of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims are the same God.

You make it out to be our toppling Saddam was a mission of conquest and domination.

I do? That was a mission of deception and distraction.

I've never seen it that way, but rather a mission of mercy and rescue. It's true that a lot of civilians have died, though I would point out that only a fraction by the hands of our soldiers and most of those in the first 3 weeks. It's a tough proposition - do you leave things as they are and stand by when 300,000 to 3M people are slaughtered by a brutal dictator we helped maintain power over the years, or do you topple him and suffer civilian deaths to save many more lives than are lost?

I don't say it's in the name of God or "his plan". We aren't his press box. It's "our" interpretation of what he "says". Don't pin it on him.

That was purely our choice, and not his "master plan". To act like it was his plan to have millions suffer and die, to force us to come in and fix things, is an insult to me. To act like it was his plan to have us come in and fix things for them, or help others, is an insult to me.

Leave God out of war. If you want to say that you wanted to safe the lives of countless people, that's one thing. But to act like it's "God's plan" to me is stepping on dangerous areas, because of the past things done in "God's name" or because it was "God's plan".

 

[ucatchtrout]

Who is making decisions in the republican party?

 

[Denny Crane]

I do? That was a mission of deception and distraction.



I don't say it's in the name of God or "his plan". We aren't his press box. It's "our" interpretation of what he "says". Don't pin it on him.

That was purely our choice, and not his "master plan". To act like it was his plan to have millions suffer and die, to force us to come in and fix things, is an insult to me. To act like it was his plan to have us come in and fix things for them, or help others, is an insult to me.

Leave God out of war. If you want to say that you wanted to safe the lives of countless people, that's one thing. But to act like it's "God's plan" to me is stepping on dangerous areas, because of the past things done in "God's name" or because it was "God's plan".

Bah. A holy war is not what any of this was ever about, except on the part of the Talliban and Al Qaeda.

I fail to see the problem with a public official who's made such a decision based upon objective facts (the 300K to 3M are objective facts, we propped up Saddam is an objective fact) also hoping that it's part of god's plan for things.

"God of Heaven has forgotten to defend the weak and innocent, and permitted the strong band of murderers and demons from hell to kill men, women, and children, and lay waste and pillage the land of the just." -- Abe Lincoln

“Today the whole world is divided between human slavery and human freedom—between pagan brutality and the Christian ideal. We choose human freedom—which is the Christian ideal. No one of us can waver for a moment in his courage or his faith.” -- FDR

"We must constitute ourselves trustees of this new force - to prevent its misuse, and to turn it into the channels of service to mankind. It is an awful responsibility which has come to us. We thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies; and we pray that He may guide us to use it in His ways and for His purposes." -- Harry Truman

"Did you see the ass on that one?" -- Bill Clinton

 

[Denny Crane]

Who is making decisions in the republican party?

Got any Jeremiah Wright videos bookmarked?

 

[ucatchtrout]

Got any Jeremiah Wright videos bookmarked?

lol.. no, but in the interests of fair and balanced reporting i'll find one and post it. good comeback

LINK TO VIDEOS OF REV WRIGHT
http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125125

 

[julius]

Bah. A holy war is not what any of this was ever about, except on the part of the Talliban and Al Qaeda.

I'm not saying that a holy war and "god's plan" are the same.

God's plan should not include killing. Regardless of the cause or justification for it.

I fail to see the problem with a public official who's made such a decision based upon objective facts (the 300K to 3M are objective facts, we propped up Saddam is an objective fact) also hoping that it's part of god's plan for things.

because I think that puts the blame on God instead of on those who are responsible.

"God of Heaven has forgotten to defend the weak and innocent, and permitted the strong band of murderers and demons from hell to kill men, women, and children, and lay waste and pillage the land of the just." -- Abe Lincoln

“Today the whole world is divided between human slavery and human freedom—between pagan brutality and the Christian ideal. We choose human freedom—which is the Christian ideal. No one of us can waver for a moment in his courage or his faith.” -- FDR

"We must constitute ourselves trustees of this new force - to prevent its misuse, and to turn it into the channels of service to mankind. It is an awful responsibility which has come to us. We thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies; and we pray that He may guide us to use it in His ways and for His purposes." -- Harry Truman

"Did you see the ass on that one?" -- Bill Clinton

Leave God of it. Don't let some invisible dude be the one who we hope is the architect of events.

 

[Denny Crane]

holy war and "god's plan" are not the same.

God's plan should not include killing. Regardless of the cause or justification for it.


because I think that puts the blame on God instead of on those who are responsible.



Leave God of it. Don't let some invisible dude be the one who we hope is the architect of events.

They're not looking to put the blame on god. All things equal, it would be a benefit (to a religious person) if it were ALSO part of some greater plan.