Joel Freeland Update

[Tince]

Article VIII, section 2 of the CBA. If Freeland continues to play in Europe for at least 3 seasons after he was picked in the NBA draft, he is no longer bound by the rookie scale. He can refuse to come over unless the team (for example) offered him their full MLE.

There's a discussion of the issue over in the Spurs' forum, as they are facing the same issue with Tiago Splitter.

Of course, upcoming changes to the CBA could render all this moot....but maybe Freeland's agent likes to play "chicken".

Repped! +1

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Article VIII, section 2 of the CBA. If Freeland continues to play in Europe for at least 3 seasons after he was picked in the NBA draft, he is no longer bound by the rookie scale. He can refuse to come over unless the team (for example) offered him their full MLE.

Hmm - that's interesting, I never heard that before. Presumably Fran Vasquez is already at that point?

And what happens if the team doesn't have a MLE? That would be odd - normally even teams vastly over the cap are allowed to sign their picks to the max rookie deal. That wouldn't apply in this case? (In other words, you aren't allowed to offer more than exactly what the rookie scale insists you should pay that player?)

 

[BBert]

Article VIII, section 2 of the CBA. If Freeland continues to play in Europe for at least 3 seasons after he was picked in the NBA draft, he is no longer bound by the rookie scale. He can refuse to come over unless the team (for example) offered him their full MLE.

Ahh, thank you. I should hang out with you more often, I might learn something. Not all of it good, I'm sure.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Hmm - that's interesting, I never heard that before. Presumably Fran Vasquez is already at that point?

And what happens if the team doesn't have a MLE? That would be odd - normally even teams vastly over the cap are allowed to sign their picks to the max rookie deal. That wouldn't apply in this case? (In other words, you aren't allowed to offer more than exactly what the rookie scale insists you should pay that player?)

As I understand it, the team has to have either the MLE available, or be under the cap, to take advantage of the loophole. If not, they can still offer the rookie scale - but that's all.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

As I understand it, the team has to have either the MLE available, or be under the cap, to take advantage of the loophole. If not, they can still offer the rookie scale - but that's all.

But they'd still own the player's rights? So he wouldn't be a UFA wrt the NBA? (Too many TLAs!)

 

[tlongII]

I think everyone does except KP to be honest.

KP and me apparently. PG is not a huge need on this team.

 

[oldmangrouch]

But they'd still own the player's rights? So he wouldn't be a UFA wrt the NBA? (Too many TLAs!)

Correct. The team that drafts him retains his rights.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

KP and me apparently.

I sincerely hope KP reads that.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Correct. The team that drafts him retains his rights.

Interesting. That would be a bit of a risk for the player, then, because it might piss the team off enough so he never gets to play in the NBA.

Next question: if this happens, is the "cap hold" (in effect in the offseason) still his rookie scale?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Interesting. That would be a bit of a risk for the player, then, because it might piss the team off enough so he never gets to play in the NBA.

Next question: if this happens, is the "cap hold" (in effect in the offseason) still his rookie scale?

That's a good question.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

According to this, he's inching closer to signing with Unicaja. Damn.

http://translate.google.com/transla...v8h4fa754JgyRgpKQ&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0=

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Not much news, just ongoing negotiations it seems:

http://translate.google.com/transla...V_Hs-XNi_FM75EUhQ&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0=

 

[Tince]

Joel Freeland Update - Blazers Edge

This pretty much mirrors the story my friend told me.

 

[PapaG]

Joel Freeland Update - Blazers Edge

This pretty much mirrors the story my friend told me.

Kudos to KP for being upfront about the situation. No GM speak at all. That said, the comments at BE are fairly pathetic on the whole. A sentence worth of pithy potshots, and very few replies to the good posts.

 

[Tince]

Kudos to KP for being upfront about the situation. No GM speak at all. That said, the comments at BE are fairly pathetic on the whole. A sentence worth of pithy potshots, and very few replies to the good posts.

I just went back and read the comments, and I totally agree with what you said.

 

[barfo]

I wouldn't want to be the 47th string power forward either.

I would. It's easy money.

It's interesting to me how elastic Freeland's situation turned out to be. Less than six weeks ago, many observers, including myself, believed it possible, if not likely, his rights would be renounced. And now here we are.

That's not an elastic situation. That's "many observers" not knowing what they were talking about.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

I would. It's easy money.

That explains a lot about you.

That's not an elastic situation. That's "many observers" not knowing what they were talking about.

barfo

That's a subtle way of saying that no one here has an opinion any more or any less valid than anybody else.

 

[barfo]

That explains a lot about you.

Oh, like you wouldn't sign an NBA contract unless you were guaranteed a starting spot?

That's a subtle way of saying that no one here has an opinion any more or any less valid than anybody else.

That's not actually what I was saying, but still your conclusion has merit.

barfo

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

http://trailblazers.realgm.com/articles/138/20100317/checking_in_on_joel_freeland/

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Freeland's playing very well for Unicaja in Euroleague, which is like basketball's Champions League (which, for the benighted, is where all the best teams in Europe play each other - a bit like the playoffs (because only the top couple of teams from most countries get in) but more so (because it includes teams from a ton of countries)). He's second in "rating per minute" which is, I suppose, a bit like PER.

 

[Blazinaway]

Freeland's playing very well for Unicaja in Euroleague, which is like basketball's Champions League (which, for the benighted, is where all the best teams in Europe play each other - a bit like the playoffs (because only the top couple of teams from most countries get in) but more so (because it includes teams from a ton of countries)). He's second in "rating per minute" which is, I suppose, a bit like PER.

In seven games he's been very solid and consistent, a sign of maturity in his game. He might be in the plans, I hope so as at least i think he'd be a decent backup PF/C whicj we sorely need. I think after this year he has a very reasonable buyout, buy what worries me is if we have a strike here we can't sign him and once it's settled he's already playing in Europe. Is there any way around this?

 

[Nikolokolus]

In seven games he's been very solid and consistent, a sign of maturity in his game. He might be in the plans, I hope so as at least i think he'd be a decent backup PF/C whicj we sorely need. I think after this year he has a very reasonable buyout, buy what worries me is if we have a strike here we can't sign him and once it's settled he's already playing in Europe. Is there any way around this?

Not unless you want to risk sanctions by the league office.