Joel will save us!

[KingSpeed]

I predict complete turnaround once he comes back.

 

[craigehlo]

He's the scorer we've been looking for!

 

[maxiep]

I predict complete turnaround once he comes back.

I agree. We'll do a 360.

 

[Blazinaway]

I agree. We'll do a 360.

only 360 I see coming is the one I do tomorrow when I hit the slopes!

 

[craigehlo]

I agree. We'll do a 360.

His knee might do a 360.

 

[RedHotRollin]

I could see this happening.

 

[illmatic99]

He's joining the team in Boston tomorrow, and might possibly play against the Wizards.

 

[Nikolokolus]

maybe he'll set a pick or two? That would be a start.

 

[craigehlo]

Joel's contract might help us.

The problems with his team are deep and systemic. Adding a center coming off a major injury isn't going to right the ship.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Joel's contract might help us.

The problems with his team are deep and systemic. Adding a center coming off a major injury isn't going to right the ship.

Joel's contract won't get us cartilage and a new coach, either, and since those are the deep, systemic problems with the team... I'm not sure what trading Joel can really get us.

 

[craigehlo]

Joel's contract won't get us cartilage and a new coach, either, and since those are the deep, systemic problems with the team... I'm not sure what trading Joel can really get us.

That's where Cho earns his $$$. Get some value out of Joel & Andre and make it clear to the coach/player that if your body isn't right, you don't play.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Joel's contract won't get us cartilage and a new coach, either, and since those are the deep, systemic problems with the team... I'm not sure what trading Joel can really get us.

A chance?

I mean that seriously. Trading Joel might land us a pick, or young player. That pick could turn into a diamond in the rough. That young player could turn into a Jermaine O'Neal type?

It's a long shot, but you never know. Like the Cubs fans say, "wait til next year" You just never know

 

[Nikolokolus]

A chance?

I mean that seriously. Trading Joel might land us a pick, or young player. That pick could turn into a diamond in the rough. That young player could turn into a Jermaine O'Neal type?

It's a long shot, but you never know. Like the Cubs fans say, "wait til next year" You just never know

I agree completely.

Blowing up the roster means trading a certain present and fairly certain future (which doesn't look great) for a chance at something better (or worse) It's probably a longshot but at least it's a chance.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

A chance?

I mean that seriously. Trading Joel might land us a pick, or young player. That pick could turn into a diamond in the rough. That young player could turn into a Jermaine O'Neal type?

It's a long shot, but you never know. Like the Cubs fans say, "wait til next year" You just never know

I need something more concrete. I know roughly what I'm going to get from Joel if I play him... this whole "trade Joel for a chance at something" is all fine and dandy, but if it doesn't net us a better backup center than Joel Przybilla, there's not really a point because we're still in deep shit with our center position. LMA played 45 minutes tonight. 45 fucking minutes. He's our backup center. This cannot stand.

if trading Joel is step 1 of 12, then okay... yeah, blow it up. But saying "Trade Joel" on its own means little to me.

 

[hasoos]

maybe he'll set a pick or two? That would be a start.

Picks? What are those??? Oh wait, I think I am remembering something from last season......yes. It is Juwan Howard laying a pick. Yes I remember those now.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Picks? What are those??? Oh wait, I think I am remembering something from last season......yes. It is Juwan Howard laying a pick. Yes I remember those now.

Those were the things we got whistled for because point guards never knew when to wait for them to be set.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I need something more concrete. I know roughly what I'm going to get from Joel if I play him... this whole "trade Joel for a chance at something" is all fine and dandy, but if it doesn't net us a better backup center than Joel Przybilla, there's not really a point because we're still in deep shit with our center position. LMA played 45 minutes tonight. 45 fucking minutes. He's our backup center. This cannot stand.

if trading Joel is step 1 of 12, then okay... yeah, blow it up. But saying "Trade Joel" on its own means little to me.

Joel probably raises this team's floor, but almost certainly does nothing for its ceiling. In my book that adds up to a whole gravy boat full of mediocrity. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd rather risk a step backward if it meant possibly raising this team's potential.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Joel probably raises this team's floor, but almost certainly does nothing for its ceiling. In my book that adds up to a whole gravy boat full of mediocrity. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd rather risk a step backward if it meant possibly raising this team's potential.

I agree, and I'm willing to take a step backwards if there's a plan involved. Saying Trade Joel does not a plan make.

Even when we traded Sheed for peanuts, there was a (25 point) plan involved and I got behind it, so it doesn't even have to be a good plan

 

[craigehlo]

I agree, and I'm willing to take a step backwards if there's a plan involved. Saying Trade Joel does not a plan make.

Trading Joel has little downside IMHO. If we keep him then we are looking at a difficult decision in terms of offering him a long term deal after massive injury. Keeping him is a little risky as well since he could lose him for nothing or sign another player that can't stay healthy as of late.

The best years for Andre and Joel are behind them. It's time to get younger with either picks or young prospects.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Trading Joel has little downside IMHO. If we keep him then we are looking at a difficult decision in terms of offering him a long term deal after massive injury. Keeping him is a little risky as well since he could lose him for nothing or sign another player that can't stay healthy as of late.

The best years for Andre and Joel are behind them. It's time to get younger with either picks or young prospects.

The downside and risk I see to trading Joel: breaking LMA or Camby by playing them ridiculous minutes because we have no backup center. I like both of these players, and since we're kind of stuck with LMA, we'd better not break him too.

 

[Nikolokolus]

The downside and risk I see to trading Joel: breaking LMA or Camby by playing them ridiculous minutes because we have no backup center. I like both of these players, and since we're kind of stuck with LMA, we'd better not break him too.

My guess is that any trade involving Joel would be for another big coming back ... who that is and what kind of nuts and bolts such a trade would involve are beyond me, but I don't think we're talking about trading him for nothing but future draft compensation.

 

[Ed O]

Trading Joel might lower us from 47 wins to 40. Or from 42 to 30.

It's not going to lower us from 60 to 52.

In other words: this team isn't going anywhere with or without Joel, so if we can get value (in the form of a first rounder) I think we take it.

Ed O.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

My guess is that any trade involving Joel would be for another big coming back ... who that is and what kind of nuts and bolts such a trade would involve are beyond me, but I don't think we're talking about trading him for nothing but future draft compensation.

Okay, that is reasonable... I've had conversations with people in the Trade Joel crowd and a lot of them don't think that we need to bring back a backup C. It has frustrated me.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Call me a blind homer optimist, but I'm of the opinion that Joel's return will have a more significant impact than most are predicting. Joel means less Dante, better interior defense, decent picks resulting in better half-court execution, and more blocks/defensive rebounds resulting in more transition opportunities. We've never had seen two heady, veteran defensive presences on the roster at the same time; I really want to see 48 minutes of Joel/Camby, including both on the floor together for a few minutes every game.

Let's see what they look like with Joel before concluding that he's not a big addition.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Call me a blind homer optimist, but I'm of the opinion that Joel's return will have a more significant impact than most are predicting. Joel means less Dante, better interior defense, decent picks resulting in better half-court execution, and more blocks/defensive rebounds resulting in more transition opportunities. We've never had seen two heady, veteran defensive presences on the roster at the same time; I really want to see 48 minutes of Joel/Camby, including both on the floor together for a few minutes every game.

Let's see what they look like with Joel before concluding that he's not a big addition.

If we get "old" Joel like he was pre-injury then you might be right, but really we have no idea how effective he will be after two major (and successive) patellar tendon injuries. His game was never predicated on extreme athleticism, but I wouldn't expect that he'll be back to his old self without missing a beat.

 

[THE HCP]

I heard from somebody Joel said he was going to average 27/12/4 when he returns.

 

[KingSpeed]

If we get "old" Joel like he was pre-injury then you might be right, but really we have no idea how effective he will be after two major (and successive) patellar tendon injuries. His game was never predicated on extreme athleticism, but I wouldn't expect that he'll be back to his old self without missing a beat.

Blake Griffin isn't playing all that bad since his return from a knee injury.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Blake Griffin isn't playing all that bad since his return from a knee injury.

Totally different injury

 

[MickZagger]

Totally different injury

Also, a lot less miles on the tires with Griffin.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Joel will almost certainly give the team a big boost. I just think in the long run, Joel won't be the difference in us winning a title this season, and in he end, that's what it's all about