John Salmons Deal in the works?

[craigehlo]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11350

The Kings May Have A Deal: The Sacramento Kings may be closing in a trade, but it does not look like it's the long rumored Brad Miller deal that's going to get done first. The Kings are rumored to have had some conversations that would send John Salmons to Portland in a deal that will likely return Raef LaFrentz and a future draft pick, according to sources close to the discussions. It's possible the Kings could send Mikki Moore in the deal, although the Kings would surely want to include Kenny Thomas. The additional players needed for the deal to work under the cap could not be confirmed by either side. The Blazers have been shopping out the ending $12 million contract of Raef LaFrentz that is now covered by insurance making Raef an absolutely free player that clears a ton of cap space in July. The Kings are still evaluating their options, and the LaFrentz deal is said to be one of several that they are looking at before the deadline. King's GM Geoff Petrie told reporters that he was looking at a lot of options and was trying to keep an open mind, hinting that nothing has been decided yet.

 

[craigehlo]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

works that is...

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

Yes please!

Salmons is not an all-star, but he's a very effective mid-range shooter, decent from the perimeter, good rebounder, good defender and pretty damn solid.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

Yes please!

Salmons is not an all-star, but he's a very effective mid-range shooter, decent from the perimeter, good rebounder, good defender and pretty damn solid.

He's also the most effective when he has the ball in his hands. That might conflict with Roy.

Plus I have a hard time thinking that we'd end up with 4 players at the SF spot.

 

[ironcrotch]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

Talk about not expecting John Salmons, but I think we make good if we give Raef/pick for Salmons and Mikki Moore

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

Nope. Not gonna happen.

 

[craigehlo]

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He could really help alleviate the problem of slow offensive starts for this squad. I'd rather take Mikki Moore back than Kenny Thomas though. He could probably play a little PF off the bench.

 

[Tortimer]

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There better be another trade or we really will have a log jam with playing time. I do think this would be a good trade but also worry about Salmons and Roy playing together.

 

[Tortimer]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

He could really help alleviate the problem of slow offensive starts for this squad. I'd rather take Mikki Moore back than Kenny Thomas though. He could probably play a little PF off the bench.

Oh yeah I would much rather have Mikki Moore. I sort of like his game but not sure where he would get any PT.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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He's also the most effective when he has the ball in his hands. That might conflict with Roy.

Plus I have a hard time thinking that we'd end up with 4 players at the SF spot.

I watched him play a fair amount last year and I don't remember Salmons being a ball dominant guy at all. I think this year he might have been asked to be more of a creator because Martin went down for so long and frankly the rest of that team is either pretty forgettable or extremely young.

as for ending up with 4 small forwards, I'm guessing that if the deal does go down then somebody is probably on their way out this summer ... also I'm not sure we can really say at this point that Travis is a small forward?

 

[craigehlo]

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He's also the most effective when he has the ball in his hands. That might conflict with Roy.

He averages 3.4 assist (on a brutal team), so he's not a complete back hole. He's learned how to coexist Kevin Martin lately.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

On the one hand I was hoping we could use the RLEC to get a bonafide star like Gerald Wallace or Caron Butler, because I really doubt we are gonna have the cap space to get one any other way. On the other hand, I get the feeling that Portland doesn't want to give up either Rudy or Travis (and I for one would feel somehow bad if they did trade either). Given that, I think that Salmons is maybe the best we can do and we should do it. I agree with everything Nikolokolus had to say about Salmons.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

Also, I don't think it hurts to stockpile good players; since we won't be able to outright sign a big free agent in 2009, 2010, they could be used in a sign and trade. This will give us even more time to evaluate some of our current young guys. And Salmons is still young enough to be effective for a few years.

 

[MrJayremmie]

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If we are hearing about it, I have a hard time believing its going to happen.

I also don't know how he would fit in w/ the team. Seems to me his only really good skill is scoring, and we got players like that in Roy, and then Outlaw, Rudy and JErryd on the bench.

But I trust KP for sure.

 

[ehizzy3]

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i wish we would go after wallace instead but salmons would be a nice pickup. kind of like a mini b-roy

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

If we are hearing about it, I have a hard time believing its going to happen.

I also don't know how he would fit in w/ the team. Seems to me his only really good skill is scoring, and we got players like that in Roy, and then Outlaw, Rudy and JErryd on the bench.

But I trust KP for sure.

According to Draft Express, he first built his reputation as a defender and they still consider him a good defender: "Defense: A very good defender who can defend the perimeter very effectively. Has the size, length and strength to match up with almost anybody. Plays with good intensity, which helps him use his athleticism better than the average player. Displays good lateral quickness when denying penetration, but can be beaten off the dribble. Stays in front of his man and tries to contest everything. Fights through screens. Will make some plays by anticipating passes and getting deflections. Blocks some shots too. Very capable rebounder for his position. Just a solid all around defender."

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/John-Salmons-4214/

 

[maxiep]

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I prefer this deal in the woks rather than in the works. Throw some garlic, ginger and soy sauce on it and send it away. Blech.

 

[ehizzy3]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

I prefer this deal in the woks rather than in the works. Throw some garlic, ginger and soy sauce on it and send it away. Blech.

were you making up that phone call about forcing the blazers to trade with memphis?

 

[crowTrobot]

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Salmons is not an all-star, but he's a very effective mid-range shooter, decent from the perimeter, good rebounder, good defender and pretty damn solid.

he's a 29-year-old career 6th/7th man who's never been known as a great defender or rebounder having a breakout offensive season as a starter on a terrible fast-tempo quick-shooting team that plays zero defense. take away a lot of his minutes and most of his shots and i don't see how he helps us.

also 82games rates moore as the worst player on one of the worst teams in the league. neither guy is expiring and salmons is inked through 2011.

if we can't do better than that i'd rather just let raef walk.

 

[maxiep]

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were you making up that phone call about forcing the blazers to trade with memphis?

No; it's what I heard. I heard that there was a smoking gun in regards to Memphis and Portland; that Wallace tried to force us to trade him Outlaw.

 

[craigehlo]

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neither guy is expiring and salmons is inked through 2011.

if we can't do better than that i'd rather just let raef walk.

Salmons is signed for under $6 mil per year for the life of the contract. He's an excellent value that's also a very movable asset due to his low cost.

When I look at the list of free agents in the summer, we would have to overpay for less a talented player. Saving money for the summer is overrated.

Maybe this rumor was leaked to put other teams on notice they need to step up their offers if they want the financial relief of Raef's deal?

 

[MIXUM]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

honestly anythings better then hearing more clanks from batums threes.


however...is that the best we can do????

 

[crowTrobot]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

Salmons is signed for under $6 mil per year for the life of the contract. He's an excellent value that's also a very movable asset due to his low cost.

well if we're doing this to set up a bigger deal in 2010 that would be great, but if we are looking at salmons as a potential starting SF for a championship contender i think we can do better.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

Nope. Not gonna happen.

Care to elaborate?

 

[craigehlo]

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well if we're doing this to set up a bigger deal in 2010 that would be great, but if we are looking at salmons as a potential starting SF for a championship contender i think we can do better.

I hope so, but I have a feeling there will never be another Pau Gasol-type deal for an expiring contract. That whole trade has given us a skewed view of the actual value of Reaf's expiring contract. Don't forget that there's several other highly paid players with expiring deals in the market like AI and Marion that are actually productive players.

 

[Chutney]

All I've heard from Kings fans this season are complaints about how much Salmons dominates the ball and how stagnant the offense can get when he's on the floor. I think there's no doubt he's a talented, versatile offensive player but I wonder if he can co-exist with the Blazers' already established guard rotation.

Considering the Kings don't seem to value Salmons as a long-term piece, I think they come out great in this potential trade (especially if they can unload Moore or Thomas at the same time).

 

[crowTrobot]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

I hope so, but I have a feeling there will never be another Pau Gasol-type deal for an expiring contract.

i was thinking more in terms of us stockpiling assets in general for a potential 2010 superstar sign/trade.

 

[MAS RipCity]

I wouldn't be gung-ho for this deal, but I wouldn't be screaming bloody murder if it went down either. He is a solid player that would help us out this year and not devastate long term plans for the future.

I do not like the log jam it would produce either. Batum has worked his butt off and deserves some minutes, but what will happen when Marty comes back?

I would prefer a deal where we send out raef + player so we don't get overbooked. I also read the Heat have offered Matrix for Brad Miller and Change..I know Matrix is probably not our target, but we should be able to do better with Raef's deal.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

THAT'S the best the Blazers can do with Raef's contract?

 

[talman]

THAT'S the best the Blazers can do with Raef's contract?

I would hope not but to quote craigehlo who said it perfectly...

I have a feeling there will never be another Pau Gasol-type deal for an expiring contract. That whole trade has given us a skewed view of the actual value of Reaf's expiring contract.