John Salmons Deal in the works?

[CaptNapalm]

I am not completely sold on this deal either but I think Salmons is a good player. I do not want to just ride out RLEC, it is worth much more than face value around the league when many teams are pinching pennies. The free agent market isn't that great to warrant keeping it. I think that we can get a better player trading it as soon as possible. I agree though we need to send out more players than we bring in. Travis, Channing, Bayless, Ike, picks are all on the market as far as I am concerned.

 

[Reep]

What about Miller? RealGM indicates it might be Salmons and Miller. Miller would be a heck of a backup PF on this team. He can nail the outside shot and is an excellent passer. I could see him next to Joel or Oden.

If you do Ike+Raef for Salmons and Miller, if there is nothing better out there it might be worth it. Miller could help out while Oden and Aldridge are still maturing.

I alwasy remember Salmons as a kind of do it all guard. He certainly stepped up against Portland this year. I wouldn't object.

 

[MAS RipCity]

We would be just too loaded and logjammed if we got Miller AND Salmons..there would have to be another deal in the works

 

[Reep]

We would be just too loaded and logjammed if we got Miller AND Salmons..there would have to be another deal in the works

It would just mean that Frye would never get off the bench, not would Batum.

I agree that you would still have to do a small forward trade somewhere.

 

[crowTrobot]

If you do Ike+Raef for Salmons and Miller

if we wanted miller we'd presumably have to include something resembling a real player : )

 

[Reep]

if we wanted miller we'd presumably have to include something resembling a real player : )

I'm not sure. He is at the end of his career, and Sac would save 12M (+ luxury tax on 12M) if they dump him. For a team that is not doing well a salary dump may be welcome.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

if we wanted miller we'd presumably have to include something resembling a real player : )

I'm not too sure about that. The Maloofs are in full-on cost-shedding mode right now, given that their casino and other core businesses are sucking to high hell.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm of the opinion that I wouldn't kick Salmons off the team if we traded for him (or, to a lesser extext, Moore), but if we're using our "preciousssss" cap space on Salmons and Moore, I'm not a huge fan. If we're taking back Thomas instead of Moore, that's worse. If we have to throw in picks (even #55 or whatever), I'm sure Sacramento can continue sucking with Salmons without our trade help.

Now, Outlaw and Frye and ShavBo for Salmons and Douby's expiring contract? Sign me up. SAC laughs at us, though. But for that trade, I'd give 'em a 2nd rounder or two.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Opmfg fiore kp if thnis sdeal goes down

oh no!

 

[free_lafrentz]

I read an article in the bobcats forum yesterday that said Charlotte had been trying to deal G. Wallace to NY, NJ, Sac and maybe another team but so far they didn't have a package that fit their needs. Maybe we're somehow involved with this?

link

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131623

it might be a month old, but it's worth looking at.

 

[crowTrobot]

I'm not too sure about that. The Maloofs are in full-on cost-shedding mode right now, given that their casino and other core businesses are sucking to high hell.

i'm assuming they'd take 1/2 season of marion over nothing.

 

[hasoos]

I am mixed on this one. I think we need another SG like we need a hole in the head. You could play him at SF some I guess.

I would have to take a guess that if Portland did this, it would mean Martell is not coming back this year, which many of us have surmized anyhow.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm not too sure about that. The Maloofs are in full-on cost-shedding mode right now, given that their casino and other core businesses are sucking to high hell.

How do you eff up running a profit in a casino?!?!

 

[chris_in_pdx]

How do you eff up running a profit in a casino?!?!

When Las Vegas in general is in the tank. No tourists = no profit.

 

[alex42083]

Re: John Salmons Deal in the woks?

well if we're doing this to set up a bigger deal in 2010 that would be great, but if we are looking at salmons as a potential starting SF for a championship contender i think we can do better.

Agreed. On an elite team, Salmons would be a great backup SG/SF player. As a starter? No way.. the Kings right now are maximizing his abilities and they stink.
I'm not a fan of his game.

 

[BrianFromWA]

So Caesar's is tanking? Wynn's tanking? Circus Circus and MGM are tanking? Bellagio?

Maybe they are and I didn't hear about it...wouldn't be the first time.

Nevermind...post hijack.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

So Caesar's is tanking? Wynn's tanking? Circus Circus and MGM are tanking? Bellagio?

Tanking? No. Taking serious hits? Yes. Remember, Las Vegas was in the middle of another building boom when the recession hit. Now all of those new gigantic properties (City Center, Echelon, Fonteanblue) are sitting half-finished and in financial limbo. Harrahs and MGM stocks are at their lowest levels in decades. Las Vegas these days is corporate-ville, and the bean-counters are all in a tizzy because their normal double-triple digit profit margins arent there anymore. I can imagine that an off-strip property like The Palms is faring worse, since at least the Strip properties have some self-promotion built in.

 

[hasoos]

I have read in a couple of spots that this may not be a 3 way, that this is a possibility to happen if Miami doesn't trade Marion to Sacramento, with Portland being interested in both Miller and Salmons. There are little blurbs out there, one on ESPN. No idea of level of truth.

But now that I think about it, Brad Miller is intriguing, and here is my reasoning. Brad Miller is still a serviceable player, and one of the better passing big men in the league. He is also an excellent shooter from about the same spot Lamarcus gets a lot of shots, but probably a better entry passer. If you bring him in, and play him as backup PF (Going twin towers a lot of the game) you would have a pretty mean front line with a ton of depth and size.

 

[crowTrobot]

i like the idea of getting miller, primarily because it means we might REALLY be going after someone huge in 2010.

 

[Reep]

But now that I think about it, Brad Miller is intriguing, and here is my reasoning. Brad Miller is still a serviceable player, and one of the better passing big men in the league. He is also an excellent shooter from about the same spot Lamarcus gets a lot of shots, but probably a better entry passer. If you bring him in, and play him as backup PF (Going twin towers a lot of the game) you would have a pretty mean front line with a ton of depth and size.

He also ads some veteran poise and toughness.

The only downside is that he is not part of the long term plan. But, maybe that isn't important by the time that he and Salmons fade, Batum and another young big (selected by KP) will be in the wings.

 

[free_lafrentz]

from the sacramento bee via hoopshype rumors page...

Miller and swingman John Salmons remain the most likely significant players to be traded. According to a source close to the team, Portland is among the many teams that has expressed interest recently as well. - Sacramento Bee

It has resurfaced here as well FWIW

 

[Nikolokolus]

Take Hollinger's scouting report for what it is:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1726

Scouting report: In addition to his slashing ability, Salmons is a very good defender who can guard three positions. He's quick and has good size at 6-7, and ranked in the top third of shooting guards in both blocks and steals per minute. The Kings often used him as the primary stopper against elite scorers, even when Ron Artest was on the court with him, and he held his own in those matchups.

Offensively, he likes to attack off the dribble for layups or short-range jumpers. He's a mediocre spot-up shooter and isn't a good shooter off the dribble, plus he tends to have high turnover rates because he's driving into traffic so much. However, he's a good enough dribbler to play point guard in a pinch

Aside from my own limited observations of Salmons in a the 20 or so games I've seen him in over the years, you can see maybe why KP would have an interest in the guy. I'll be honest, I think Batum is the small forward of the future, but that future is probably still a good two years+ from coming to fruition -- he's just so up and down on offense and he needs to get stronger, and even as the starter on this team he logs 18 minutes a game or so because can't be relied on to hit the open shot or know when to drive. Salmons gives this team another player with a diverse skill-set (shooting, slashing, decent passing and defense) at a position of need and he's pretty goddamn cheap at $5 million a year, so if things don't work out exactly as you envision he shouldn't be too hard to move if needed.

I'm frankly kind of shocked that so many people here are pooh-poohing the idea.

 

[craigehlo]

I'm frankly kind of shocked that so many people here are pooh-poohing the idea.

Agreed. He adds some veteran experience and can easily be moved if Batum is ready to start in a year or two. He fits perfectly with this young team that needs some scoring in the starting 5.

 

[gatorpops]

I think I like this trade. If we stockpile enough good players we can trade for a LJ or someone of similar skill and have a multitude of players to offer. Makes sense to me. Plus we likely get to the playoffs this year and maybe even get past the firs round.

 

[hasoos]

You know how it is. It all matters who is going out, and who is coming back in. Provided that part is a good deal, and it improves the team, great.

The one thing I would remind folks, is that IMO Batum has been overmatched a lot lately, and he has sometimes been a big part of those scoring problems in the first quarter. He needs time to learn. He did a great job while thrown into the fire early, but the offensive problems seem to be surfacing a lot more lately.

 

[Samuel]

i like the idea of getting miller, primarily because it means we might REALLY be going after someone huge in 2010.

Via trade, you mean? I don't see it happening via free agency.

 

[Reep]

You know how it is. It all matters who is going out, and who is coming back in. Provided that part is a good deal, and it improves the team, great.

The one thing I would remind folks, is that IMO Batum has been overmatched a lot lately, and he has sometimes been a big part of those scoring problems in the first quarter. He needs time to learn. He did a great job while thrown into the fire early, but the offensive problems seem to be surfacing a lot more lately.

But, . . . (from Clippers Blog)

Nate McMillan makes a couple of smart defensive decisions: He puts Brandon Roy on Al Thornton, and assigns his small forward Nicolas Batum to guard Eric Gordon. In doing so, McMillan dares Thornton to shoot over a smaller defender [seven of Thornton's 11 shot attempts in the first half are jumpers from outside the paint], and challenges Gordon to free himself against a bigger, longer defender. Gordon gets only one shot against Batum in the seven minutes to start the game. Eric never gets on track against a Portland team that refuses to leave him at any cost. Gordon manages only five shot attempts in the first half [2-4 FG, 2-2 FT] which, when you consider who else is out there with him, is pretty incredible.

 

[hasoos]

But, . . . (from Clippers Blog)

Yes but the one point they left out, was Fred Jones going off on Steve Blake was a big reason that those guys weren't getting shots. Why work that matchup when you have another one to exploit. If you doubt what I say, go back and watch the game footage, and you will see Blake getting burned over and over and over again.

 

[crowTrobot]

Via trade, you mean? I don't see it happening via free agency.

primarily yes, or sign/trade. although i'm not convinced we won't go after one of the main guys through FA before roy and LA's deals kick in. assuming joel is traded or opts out it's not impossible.

 

[Ed O]

Agreed. He adds some veteran experience and can easily be moved if Batum is ready to start in a year or two. He fits perfectly with this young team that needs some scoring in the starting 5.

Salmons just isn't that good of a player, though.

Look at his seasonal PERs:

2002-03 9.41
2003-04 10.68
2004-05 9.72
2005-06 10.70
2006-07 12.69
2007-08 14.29
2008-09 16.31

That's terrible, and this is a guy who's primarily an offensive player. Even his "career" year this season isn't particularly impressive. Clearly there's more to live and defining a player than PER, but coupled with his inability to start on less-than-impressive NBA rosters, I just don't see him being much, if at all, an upgrade over what we have.

Ed O.