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yankeesince59 said:
...Kelley and the Bills got a bad rap and were labeled by some as losers. But no other team has appeared in 4 consecutive SBs, and probably never will again.
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Right. Not like Marv was gonna let Jim kick FGs too, lol! And that game vs Moon.....what a classic.
 
...Moon, Bradshaw, and Stabler threw the prettiest spirals I can remember.
 
blgridesagain said:
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I like Peyton, ALOT - he seems to be a great guy, no doubt - wonderful personality, his TV commercials are a joy, he can name his price if he ever became an NFL analyst/commentator -
MAYBE THE GREATEST "ALL TIME" GREAT QB stats-wise - PROLIFIC .....
I love him, lol.
...his Super Bowl record/career leaves him off my "must win a BIG game" list.
When I say need to win ONE game...I think you know what I'm talking about. lol
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Yeah well than Eli is 2-0.....just saying. Look the proverbial ONE game in the NFL is always the last game of the season that is lost. Look at career records to last game played in a season.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...Moon, Bradshaw, and Stabler threw the prettiest spirals I can remember.
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^^^^no question for those 3. Favre had a hell of a tight spiral, and velocity. Elway of course. Mike Vick (falcons version) also threw a heck of a spiral.
 
totus44 said:
^^^^no question for those 3. Favre had a hell of a tight spiral, and velocity. Elway of course. Mike Vick (falcons version) also threw a heck of a spiral.
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Jim Kelly could gun-sling with the best, but then so did Frank Reich....!
 
totus44 said:
No issue with Montana and Brady. Not enough time yet for Wilson. Payton Manning is on my short list as are Elway, Favre and Roelesberger because they played/play with heart and guts. And frankly some other names that get lost in this shuffle are Jim Kelley (minus the 4 SB games), Troy Aikman and Warren Moon.
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Hey Tote, why would you have Favre on the short list, in lieu of Aaron Rodgers? You have seen the stats b/t the two gunslingers, after their 1st 100 games?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-25689

http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl/nf...dgers-and-brett-favres-first-100-starts-r5429


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Mattingly23NY said:
Hey Tote, why would you have Favre on the short list, in lieu of Aaron Rodgers? You have seen the stats b/t the two gunslingers, after their 1st 100 games?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-25689



http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl/nf...dgers-and-brett-favres-first-100-starts-r5429


2293980-aaron-rodgers-sets-record-for-most-passing-yards-in-1st-100-starts
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Rodgers isn't very exciting to watch. He's benefited from having good teams around him, made possible by the winning tradition Favre revitalized. Brett often was in a position where he had to manufacture things all too often. The MNF game after his father died vs Oakland (sorry to refreshen this game memory Ron) epitimized his gamesmanship. Brett played before the tuck rule and blow to the head/ roughing the passer kinder/gentler NFL. Rodgers, Brady and the Manning's benefit from rules changes that the old gun slingers didn't have protecting them.
 
The rule changes have allowed a lot of these QBs put up ridiculous numbers. At the same time it's also allowing receivers gather some crazy numbers as well. I think Rodgers for example is excellent but he also benefits from being able to just chuck balls to Jordy Nelson. That's why just looking at yardage numbers isn't all that meaningful.
 
Pass interference calls help receivers too. To their credit the "art of the one handed catch" is changing the game and widening the field.
 
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totus44 said:
Rodgers isn't very exciting to watch. He's benefited from having good teams around him, made possible by the winning tradition Favre revitalized. Brett often was in a position where he had to manufacture things all too often. The MNF game after his father died vs Oakland (sorry to refreshen this game memory Ron)d his gamesmanship. Brett played before the tuck rule and blow to the head/ roughing the passer kinder/gentler NFL. Rodgers, Brady and the Manning's benefit from rules changes that the old gun slingers didn't have protecting them.
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...wow, you brought up that damned "MNF game" AND the "tuck rule" in the same post?

...WTF?...that's just cold blooded...I'm surprised you didn't bring up "the immaculate reception". :devilwink:
 
totus44 said:
Rodgers isn't very exciting to watch. He's benefited from having good teams around him, made possible by the winning tradition Favre revitalized. Brett often was in a position where he had to manufacture things all too often. The MNF game after his father died vs Oakland (sorry to refreshen this game memory Ron) epitimized his gamesmanship. Brett played before the tuck rule and blow to the head/ roughing the passer kinder/gentler NFL. Rodgers, Brady and the Manning's benefit from rules changes that the old gun slingers didn't have protecting them.
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Good take on Favre, tho' I still would take Rodgers anyday over Brett. Yes, that MNF game was one for the HOF Ages, indeed.

Did you see Rodgers beat down the USC #1 ranked team, by an approx score of 49-48??? Now that was a gem, blowing up Pete the Crook Carroll's dream team...

If there is but one knock on Favre, it would be, his 1st half anxiety issues, for 3/4ths of his Career. Causing him to miss many an open target, as much was revealed in His Super Bowl win vs. those Patsies, in 96.
 
As far as Favre, Rodgers, or Starr, I'd much rather have the pure passer, Bill Dickey, over the others. Anyone recall the MNF "Point a Minute Game" in 83?

here's the link to the 48-47 shoot out b/t Theisman and Dickey, with James Lofton, Joe Washington, Art Monk, Riggins, Darrell Green, Jan Stenerud and Mike Moseley....now that was as exciting a game as it ever gets....!
 
Good take on Favre, tho' I still would take Rodgers anyday over Brett. Yes, that MNF game was one for the HOF Ages, indeed.

Did you see Rodgers beat down the USC #1 ranked team, by an approx score of 49-48??? Now that was a gem, blowing up Pete the Crook Carroll's dream team...
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Rogers - imo - is BETTER at this point in their careers than Brett (INT Machine) FavRAY....and while Rogers probably won't have as long a career, or superior total numbers, I can see Rogers still being the better QB when he is finished.

One thing on Brady - he's lost two Super Bowls both to the Giants, but when he left the field in Super Bowl XLII with 2:45 to go...he had just drivin his team on a 8+ minute drive to give them a 14-10 lead, and he got his butt absolutely hammered that day by the Giants' pass rush. You may not like him...but Brady is going to be VERY VERY high on most lists when it comes to all-time great QBs.

And by the way....Eli has won two Supes, and yes, I would take him over his brother in The Big Game.
He also took a beating in the playoffs, 3 games on the road (very impressive), on his way to a Super Bowl win.

Eli is one good tough battle tested QB.
 
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blgridesagain said:
Good take on Favre, tho' I still would take Rodgers anyday over Brett. Yes, that MNF game was one for the HOF Ages, indeed.

Did you see Rodgers beat down the USC #1 ranked team, by an approx score of 49-48??? Now that was a gem, blowing up Pete the Crook Carroll's dream team...
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Rogers - imo - is BETTER at this point in their careers than Brett (INT Machine) FavRAY....and while Rogers probably won't have as long a career, or superior total numbers, I can see Rogers still being the better QB when he is finished.

One thing on Brady - he's lost two Super Bowls both to the Giants, but when he left the field in Super Bowl XLII with 2:45 to go...he had just drivin his team on a 8+ minute drive to give them a 14-10 lead, and he got his butt absolutely hammered that day by the Giants' pass rush. You may not like him...but Brady is going to be VERY VERY high on most lists when it comes to all-time great QBs.

And by the way....Eli has won two Supes, and yes, I would take him over his brother in The Big Game.
He also took a beating in the playoffs, 3 games on the road (very impressive), on his way to a Super Bowl win.

Eli is one good tough battle tested QB.
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I got to agree with you on all points, tho' as is obvious I will never and never have been a Tom Brady fan. Yet, I won't argue he is owed his due, for his performances over his career....

Eli, is the Son of Moses.....always loved that Manning touch, & can never forget Archie's scatter back QB performances, more at Ole Miss, than New Orleans, or as they say down there in dem bayous, "Nawlins"....

Has anyone forgotten this on Archie M.: "Archie was selected in the Major League Baseball draft four times, first in 1967 by the Braves, twice by the White Sox, and finally by the Royals in 1971."

Guess I'll have to talk with my Psycho-Analyst to comprehend what the hidden factor is over never caring for Brady???
It could be no more than Beantown's Teams I never have cared for. Even the Celtics, I preferred my West Coast Lakers, Kareem, Magic, Coop a Loop, J. Worthy and Rambis.....didn't care as much for Kobe and Shaq, the way they whined and bitched about each other, no Team in I.....
 
Not to forget the greats: Wilt the Stilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, all studs and stars the year I moved out to So. Cal. 1970.
 
Mattingly23NY said:
Well as long as he's in Cleveland; The Browns and JFF are going nowhere. How many #1 QB draft picks have the Browns had in the last decade. I know of Weeden, Brady Quinn, JFF, and I know I'm missing one or two more?
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Tim Couch
 
As much as I hate all things Boston, Brady has had lesser receivers and played outdoors for his entire career, Peyton played more than half his games in climate controlled domes. Ill take Brady over Peyton. Ill take Joe Cool over Brady though.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
As much as I hate all things Boston, Brady has had lesser receivers and played outdoors for his entire career, Peyton played more than half his games in climate controlled domes. Ill take Brady over Peyton. Ill take Joe Cool over Brady though.
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I'd take Joe Cool over anyone too, (incl. all the other greats, Unitas, Ferguson, Bradshaw, Grise, Tarkenton, Dawson, Lamonica, Starr, Dickey, Favre, A-Rodgers, Brady, the Mannings, all 3 of them, you name it I'll take Joe Cool anyday of the week)....
 
blgridesagain said:
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Dan Fouts
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A true Gunslinger if there ever was one. I enjoyed his epic battles with Raiders, Dolphins especially in 82 AFC-Division Series, yet Woodley of all QB's beat those Air Coryell greats....!! I see Fouts and Lynn Dickey as equals, as far as true gunslingers 1st, neither could run worth a shit....thus the arms worked overtime....!
 
Mattingly23NY said:
A true Gunslinger if there ever was one. I enjoyed his epic battles with Raiders, Dolphins especially in 82 AFC-Division Series, yet Woodley of all QB's beat those Air Coryell greats....!! I see Fouts and Lynn Dickey as equals, as far as true gunslingers 1st, neither could run worth a shit....thus the arms worked overtime....!
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Don Coryell - AIR CORYELL.... I always thought he didn't get enough credit for his passing game.
He also had the Cards previously with Jim Hart QB (to Mel Gray)...good passing teams. Don Coryell was ahead of his time.
 
blgridesagain said:
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Don Coryell - AIR CORYELL.... I always thought he didn't get enough credit for his passing game.
He also had the Cards with Jim Hart (to Mel Gray)...good passing teams. Don Coryell was ahead of his time.
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In 1960, he was an assistant coach under John McKay for the USC Trojans, where the I formation would be its signature offense for decades.[4] While the origin of the I formation is unclear, Coryell was one of its pioneers....

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John Madden served as Coryell's defensive assistant at SDSU. Madden had first met Coryell attending a coaching clinic on the I formation led by McKay.[8] "We'd go to these clinics, and afterward, everyone would run up to talk to McKay," said Madden. "Coryell was there because he introduced (McKay). I was thinking, 'If (McKay) learned from him, I'll go talk to (Coryell).'
 
Mattingly23NY said:
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In 1960, he was an assistant coach under John McKay for the USC Trojans, where the I formation would be its signature offense for decades.[4] While the origin of the I formation is unclear, Coryell was one of its pioneers....

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John Madden served as Coryell's defensive assistant at SDSU. Madden had first met Coryell attending a coaching clinic on the I formation led by McKay.[8] "We'd go to these clinics, and afterward, everyone would run up to talk to McKay," said Madden. "Coryell was there because he introduced (McKay). I was thinking, 'If (McKay) learned from him, I'll go talk to (Coryell).'
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Coryell is basically the father of the modern West Coast offense.

Think pass first to attack defenses,.....put in motion the tight-end and RB to flood passing zones, three receivers on one side, always look for opportunity to throw the bomb.
Use a tight-end as a pass receiver first option- before that they were primarily used as blockers and weren't much more than offensive linemen who could catch an occasiona ball.
I remember those Cardinal teams of the mid-late 1970s - even back then "we" noticed something different and exciting about their passing attack lol.
 
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His Freshman year was impressive no doubt. His 2nd year on went into Defeat vs BAMA, after that 1 time. From then on Smoke and Mirrors Manziel, became easy to defend against, moreso than previous season(s) games, despite his stats, He could NOT beat Saban's Crimson Tide. There in the Crimson, came a ton of talent. Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, Clinton Haw Haw Dix, Laney of Green Bay. T. Richardson broke all of Ingram's records, by tripling the stats in numbers b/t Mark and Trent. Richardson, is not breaking through yet. All he needs is a strong O-Line....!!!
 
John McKay -

After receiving harsh criticism from the media, McKay said: "You guys don't know the difference between a football and a bunch of bananas." In the next interview, members of the media left bananas for McKay. He then replied, "You guys don't know the difference between a football and a Mercedes Benz."
 
blgridesagain said:
John McKay -

After receiving harsh criticism from the media, McKay said: "You guys don't know the difference between a football and a bunch of bananas." In the next interview, members of the media left bananas for McKay. He then replied, "You guys don't know the difference between a football and a Mercedes Benz."
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Bwahaha too good.......quick wit, does wonders for a quick strike offense.....! or sure strike....!
 
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