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Wrong again, my friend MarAzul. Public debt is a good thing. One reason is that

"issuing debt is a way to pay for useful things, and we should do more of that when the price is right. The United States suffers from obvious deficiencies in roads, rails, water systems and more; meanwhile, the federal government can borrow at historically low interest rates. So this is a very good time to be borrowing and investing in the future."

I know, I know, you can't stand Paul Krugman. Argue with his Nobel Prize in Economics then! :)

"Having at least some government debt outstanding helps the economy function better. How so? The answer, according to M.I.T.’s Ricardo Caballero and others, is that the debt of stable, reliable governments provides “safe assets” that help investors manage risks, make transactions easier and avoid a destructive scramble for cash."
 
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The rules do matter. Clinton loses the popular vote only if you start discounting Michigan (which she won, he didn't get any votes at all).

Under what kind of democracy do you not count the votes?

"Obama didn't run in Michigan, so Clinton's votes shouldn't count?"

It's not that the popular vote matters, except in each state where the EVs are awarded.
The DNC stripped Michigan of all its delegates because of Michigan changed the date of their primary which the DNC decided that moving the primary violated the partys rules, they also did this to florida. Because of this Obama chose to not even have his name on the ballot. Both Clinton and Obama both agreed that Michigan and Florida wouldn't be counted and agreed not to campaign in either state, Hillary flipped on that later when she won both states and it was a close race so she tried to get the DNC to count the two states.
 
Wrong again, my friend MarAzul. Public debt is a good thing. One reason is that

"issuing debt is a way to pay for useful things, and we should do more of that when the price is right. The United States suffers from obvious deficiencies in roads, rails, water systems and more; meanwhile, the federal government can borrow at historically low interest rates. So this is a very good time to be borrowing and investing in the future."

I know, I know, you can't stand Paul Krugman. Argue with his Nobel Prize in Economics then! :)

"Having at least some government debt outstanding helps the economy function better. How so? The answer, according to M.I.T.’s Ricardo Caballero and others, is that the debt of stable, reliable governments provides “safe assets” that help investors manage risks, make transactions easier and avoid a destructive scramble for cash."
Fruit Loop fuckin post of the century.

20 trillion FUCKING dollars aint "at least some government debt"

Read this...
 
Maybe I'll finance a Ferrari and a yacht I can't afford AND a used Elantra because I need a car to get back and forth to work. Jesus H Christ.
 
The DNC stripped Michigan of all its delegates because of Michigan changed the date of their primary which the DNC decided that moving the primary violated the partys rules, they also did this to florida. Because of this Obama chose to not even have his name on the ballot. Both Clinton and Obama both agreed that Michigan and Florida wouldn't be counted and agreed not to campaign in either state, Hillary flipped on that later when she won both states and it was a close race so she tried to get the DNC to count the two states.

So rules matter?

Glad we agree.
 
LOL at the idea that our debt paid for useful things.

I do agree that government debt can be perfectly fine. Like when they want to build a bridge, they borrow the money via bonds and pay it off with tax revenues of some sort.

But our government is deficit spending on its daily operations. About 10% of tax revenues pay the debt payments. We're building no bridges, nor issuing bonds for that purpose. What we're doing is living large charging up the credit cards, then paying off old cards with balance transfers to new ones. My metaphor is spot on.

Seriously. We borrowed money to pay for food stamps and to buy clunker cars that aren't in any stretch an investment. While nobody should starve, the government should prioritize what it spends based upon what it brings in, and pay for food stamps at the expense of something else if need be.

Useful things.

:lol:
 
Wrong again, my friend MarAzul. Public debt is a good thing. One reason is that

"issuing debt is a way to pay for useful things, and we should do more of that when the price is right. The United States suffers from obvious deficiencies in roads, rails, water systems and more; meanwhile, the federal government can borrow at historically low interest rates. So this is a very good time to be borrowing and investing in the future."

I know, I know, you can't stand Paul Krugman. Argue with his Nobel Prize in Economics then! :)

"Having at least some government debt outstanding helps the economy function better. How so? The answer, according to M.I.T.’s Ricardo Caballero and others, is that the debt of stable, reliable governments provides “safe assets” that help investors manage risks, make transactions easier and avoid a destructive scramble for cash."

As a pretend economist (ABD), I will take issue with Prof. Krugman's Nobel Prize. It was an interesting insight into international trade with his assumed "preference for diversity" combined with his research on economies of scale (an extension of the work of David Ricardo and his comparative advantage). However, further research has disproved his theory. His Nobel Prize was given more for his insight (opening new fields of research) and systhesis of two competing ideas than his actual accomplishments.

Krugman is brilliant, but too often he violates the first rule of academic research: Don't arrive at a conclusion until you have all your data.
 
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Wrong again, my friend MarAzul. Public debt is a good thing. One reason is that

"issuing debt is a way to pay for useful things, and we should do more of that when the price is right. The United States suffers from obvious deficiencies in roads, rails, water systems and more; meanwhile, the federal government can borrow at historically low interest rates. So this is a very good time to be borrowing and investing in the future."

I know, I know, you can't stand Paul Krugman. Argue with his Nobel Prize in Economics then! :)

"Having at least some government debt outstanding helps the economy function better. How so? The answer, according to M.I.T.’s Ricardo Caballero and others, is that the debt of stable, reliable governments provides “safe assets” that help investors manage risks, make transactions easier and avoid a destructive scramble for cash."

Public debt can be useful, but not as a structural component. It's really too bad people who love to quote John Maynard Keynes understand so little of his work. I would invite anyone interested in his research to read "The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money". Keynes was a budget hawk. His primary insight was when all else failed, it was incumbent upon governments from time-to-time to deficit spend to kickstart the economy. Keynes would look at our structural budget deficits and wonder how his ideas could have been so perverted.
 
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The DNC stripped Michigan of all its delegates because of Michigan changed the date of their primary which the DNC decided that moving the primary violated the partys rules, they also did this to florida. Because of this Obama chose to not even have his name on the ballot. Both Clinton and Obama both agreed that Michigan and Florida wouldn't be counted and agreed not to campaign in either state, Hillary flipped on that later when she won both states and it was a close race so she tried to get the DNC to count the two states.

What? You mean when she loses, she tries to change the rules? Shocking!
 
Nobel Prize. Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, and Obama have one. It's something of a joke.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...els-u-s-house-campaigns-to-fundraising-record

The Trump Effect Propels House Campaigns to Record Fundraising

That’s a 45 percent increase over the $66.2 million raised during the same period two years ago, the previous record. The maximum contribution amount to campaigns was the same during both periods. Republican incumbents and challengers raised $49.8 million, while Democrats pulled in $46.3 million.
 
The joke would be not understanding why Jimmy Carter is deserving of a Nobel Prize. Aside from the Israeli - Egyptian peace treaty, he almost single handledly has eradicated Guinea worm disease from the face of the planet, among other things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Nobel_Peace_Prize

I get partisanship, but wow.
 
The joke would be not understanding why Jimmy Carter is deserving of a Nobel Prize. Aside from the Israeli - Egyptian peace treaty, he almost single handledly has eradicated Guinea worm disease from the face of the planet, among other things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Nobel_Peace_Prize

I get partisanship, but wow.

The man is an antisemite.

The price of his nobel prize is 40 years x $3.5B in military aid to Egypt. Peace apparently is arming both sides with our high tech weapons.
 
Obama.

:lol:

(within a couple of weeks of winning his award, he was bombing at least six countries, only one of those was leftover from W).

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30...emen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/

just weeks after he won the Nobel Prize, Obama used cluster bombs that killed 35 Yemeni women and children. Even Obama-supporting liberal comedians mocked the arguments of the Obama DOJ for why it had the right to execute Americans with no charges: “Due Process Just Means There’s A Process That You Do,” snarked Stephen Colbert. And a firestorm erupted when former Obama press secretary Robert Gibbs offered a sociopathic justification for killing the Colorado-born teenager, apparently blaming him for his own killing by saying he should have “had a more responsible father.”


The U.S. assault on Yemeni civilians not only continued but radically escalated over the next five years through the end of the Obama presidency, as the U.S. and the U.K. armed, supported, and provide crucial assistance to their close ally Saudi Arabia as it devastated Yemen through a criminally reckless bombing campaign. Yemen now faces mass starvation, seemingly exacerbated, deliberately, by the U.S.-U.K.-supported air attacks. Because of the West’s direct responsibility for these atrocities, they have received vanishingly little attention in the responsible countries.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article124842824.html

US drops more bombs in Obama’s final year of office than in 2015

The U.S. dropped 26,171 bombs last year, 3,027 more than 2015.

According to an analysis of Defense Department data from the Council on Foreign Relations, a non-partisan think tank, the majority of the bombs were dropped in Iraq and Syria. The U.S. leads an international coalition fighting the Islamic State group in both countries and has carried out air operations in attempt to reduce the area controlled by the terrorist organization.

(Neither Iraq nor Syria were combat operations in Jan 2009)
 
Obama.

:lol:

(within a couple of weeks of winning his award, he was bombing at least six countries, only one of those was leftover from W).

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30...emen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/

just weeks after he won the Nobel Prize, Obama used cluster bombs that killed 35 Yemeni women and children. Even Obama-supporting liberal comedians mocked the arguments of the Obama DOJ for why it had the right to execute Americans with no charges: “Due Process Just Means There’s A Process That You Do,” snarked Stephen Colbert. And a firestorm erupted when former Obama press secretary Robert Gibbs offered a sociopathic justification for killing the Colorado-born teenager, apparently blaming him for his own killing by saying he should have “had a more responsible father.”


The U.S. assault on Yemeni civilians not only continued but radically escalated over the next five years through the end of the Obama presidency, as the U.S. and the U.K. armed, supported, and provide crucial assistance to their close ally Saudi Arabia as it devastated Yemen through a criminally reckless bombing campaign. Yemen now faces mass starvation, seemingly exacerbated, deliberately, by the U.S.-U.K.-supported air attacks. Because of the West’s direct responsibility for these atrocities, they have received vanishingly little attention in the responsible countries.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article124842824.html

US drops more bombs in Obama’s final year of office than in 2015

The U.S. dropped 26,171 bombs last year, 3,027 more than 2015.

According to an analysis of Defense Department data from the Council on Foreign Relations, a non-partisan think tank, the majority of the bombs were dropped in Iraq and Syria. The U.S. leads an international coalition fighting the Islamic State group in both countries and has carried out air operations in attempt to reduce the area controlled by the terrorist organization.

(Neither Iraq nor Syria were combat operations in Jan 2009)
Hmmmmmmmm...............for a guy who was so snotty, disdainful and dismissive of those who struggled to get over Trump being elected, you sure can't let go of Obama. It's almost pathological. Here's a clue Denny......the man is longer president. He's left no bigger mess than any other previous president (see Reagan, Ronnie and Bush, George W. in particular) and the country, like it or don't is better off (or at least was until this past January) than when he took over. Cite all the statistics you want and post all the simpatico links you can find. They are a lot more easily dismissed than the stuff about Trump you (in particular) label "fake news". Worry about the clown currently in office and quit beating on the one who is no longer relevant. You make the Trump haters look rational................
 
Hmmmmmmmm...............for a guy who was so snotty, disdainful and dismissive of those who struggled to get over Trump being elected, you sure can't let go of Obama. It's almost pathological. Here's a clue Denny......the man is longer president. He's left no bigger mess than any other previous president (see Reagan, Ronnie and Bush, George W. in particular) and the country, like it or don't is better off (or at least was until this past January) than when he took over. Cite all the statistics you want and post all the simpatico links you can find. They are a lot more easily dismissed than the stuff about Trump you (in particular) label "fake news". Worry about the clown currently in office and quit beating on the one who is no longer relevant. You make the Trump haters look rational................

Suuuuuuuure.

The issue raised is the value of Nobel prizes. They're clearly not objectively handed out based on merit. Obama's is proof of that.

Trump doesn't deserve a Nobel either. He wouldn't get one, no matter what he does. That's how useless the award is.

Aside from that, the whole argument is a logic fallacy known as argument from authority.
 
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He's left no bigger mess than any other previous president

Actually he did. Many of us lost our Health Insurance due to the Obama's actions. Combine that with Doctors in a number of areas do not want to take new Medicare patients,
you have a hell of a mess for millions of people to deal with and for some there are no good answers.
 
Actually he did. Many of us lost our Health Insurance due to the Obama's actions. Combine that with Doctors in a number of areas do not want to take new Medicare patients,
you have a hell of a mess for millions of people to deal with and for some there are no good answers.
Yeah, right.......and your Republicans buddies are bending over backwards to try and fix that.......they wanted even more folks to lose medical coverage with their ill conceived attempt at "reform". Will them putting more people in your shoes make you feel better??? Careful what you wish for, you might just get it.......
 
Taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized society. Unless you're a Republican. Then I guess you prefer to live in an uncivilized society......but then, we knew that.

Berkeley is completely uncivilized, taxed through the roof, and....well...we all know what party they kiss ass to....
 
As President Trump approaches the end of his first 100 days in office, he has received by far the most hostile press treatment of any incoming American president, with the broadcast networks punishing him with coverage that has been 89% negative. The networks largely ignored important national priorities such as jobs and the fight against ISIS, in favor of a news agenda that has been dominated by anti-Trump controversies and which closely matches what would be expected from an opposition party.

For example, President Trump’s push to invigorate the economy and bring back American jobs received a mere 18 minutes of coverage (less than one percent of all airtime devoted to the administration), while his moves to renegotiate various international trade deals resulted in less than 10 minutes of TV news airtime.

Eight years ago, in contrast, the broadcast networks rewarded new President Barack Obama with mainly positive spin, and spent hundreds of stories discussing the economic agenda of the incoming liberal administration.

For this study, MRC analysts reviewed all of ABC, CBS and NBC’s evening news coverage of Trump and his new administration from January 20 through April 9, including weekends. Coverage during those first 80 days was intense, as the networks churned out 869 stories about the new administration (737 full reports and 132 brief, anchor-read items), plus an additional 140 full reports focused on other topics but which also discussed the new administration.

Five big topics accounted for roughly two-fifths (43%) of the whopping 1,900 minutes of total network airtime devoted to the Trump administration. But those five topics accounted for a much larger share (63%) of the negative coverage hurled at the administration, as the networks covered each with an overwhelmingly hostile (more than 90% negative) slant.
 
As President Trump approaches the end of his first 100 days in office, he has received by far the most hostile press treatment of any incoming American president, with the broadcast networks punishing him with coverage that has been 89% negative. The networks largely ignored important national priorities such as jobs and the fight against ISIS, in favor of a news agenda that has been dominated by anti-Trump controversies and which closely matches what would be expected from an opposition party.

For example, President Trump’s push to invigorate the economy and bring back American jobs received a mere 18 minutes of coverage (less than one percent of all airtime devoted to the administration), while his moves to renegotiate various international trade deals resulted in less than 10 minutes of TV news airtime.

Eight years ago, in contrast, the broadcast networks rewarded new President Barack Obama with mainly positive spin, and spent hundreds of stories discussing the economic agenda of the incoming liberal administration.

For this study, MRC analysts reviewed all of ABC, CBS and NBC’s evening news coverage of Trump and his new administration from January 20 through April 9, including weekends. Coverage during those first 80 days was intense, as the networks churned out 869 stories about the new administration (737 full reports and 132 brief, anchor-read items), plus an additional 140 full reports focused on other topics but which also discussed the new administration.

Five big topics accounted for roughly two-fifths (43%) of the whopping 1,900 minutes of total network airtime devoted to the Trump administration. But those five topics accounted for a much larger share (63%) of the negative coverage hurled at the administration, as the networks covered each with an overwhelmingly hostile (more than 90% negative) slant.

Breaking News:

A website "dedicated to exposing & combating liberal media bias," writes article about liberal media bias.
 
Breaking News:

A website "dedicated to exposing & combating liberal media bias," writes article about liberal media bias.

The media isn't covering media bias. The media is supposed to live up to its fourth estate billing, not contributing hundreds of $millions in PR for the democrat party.
 

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