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crowTrobot said:
The lack of ability to rationally parse the nature of objective reality does have negative consequences for individuals, and occasionally catastrophic consequences for humanity.



I don't know that they "look down" on them so much as they think they are fooling themselves, using the concept of "faith" as an excuse for wishful thinking.



How is it a choice?
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I know a lot of people who have decided to make religion, such as Christianity, a big part of their life. They attend church regularly, partake in events and live life in accordance with that belief. I personally have seen a lot of positive changes in these people. If believing in god has helped them change to become better people . . . well like I said there are a lot of worse choices people can make out there.
 
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
If you think that is what religion is all about, you have a misconception of religion.

People who use violence in the name of god or allah of whoever are not true religious people.
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They might not be your idea of true religious people, but I think they do believe.

barfo
 
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
If you think that is what religion is all about, you have a misconception of religion.

People who use violence in the name of god or allah of whoever are not true religious people.
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I don't think that's what all religion is all about, but clearly SOME people do. And they ARE able to convince others (they aren't so dumb as to get themselves killed for their "righteous cause").
 
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barfo said:
They might not be your idea of true religious people, but I think they do believe.

barfo
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Exactly, it's very similar to "God is real because I know he's real." "That isn't religion because I know it's not." There are a lot of violent things in the Bible and Quran.
 
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
People who use violence in the name of god or allah of whoever are not true religious people.
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this is simply your opinion. it doesn't change the fact that religious belief is (occasionally) a motivational factor for violence.
 
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crowTrobot said:
this is simply your opinion. it doesn't change the fact that religious belief is (often) used as the excuse for violence.
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MarAzul said:
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Religion is sometimes a motivational factor for violence, just as it is sometimes a motivational factor for charity. Which of those anyone thinks is "true" religious practice is irrelevant. That's just individual opinion (which in most modern cases is actually based on secular morality as a guide rather than teachings in religious texts).
 
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crandc said:
Susan B. Anthony said she distrusted people who claimed to know what god wants, as it always seems to coincide with their own wishes. I agree. (The fact that her name was hijacked by an antiwoman group notwithstanding.)
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I have to ask what is an anti-woman group?

Seems unlikely such a thing exists.
 
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
If you think that is what religion is all about, you have a misconception of religion.

People who use violence in the name of god or allah of whoever are not true religious people.
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Actually, they are truly religious people, willing to murder or die for their beliefs.

It's the billions of fake believers who claim religious beliefs for social/business status who are not true religious people.
 
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Ok. I'm not a religious person and just giving my opinion.

I know when I talk to people of the muslim faith they are very insulted that the people that kill in the name of allah are being associated as muslim and will insist they are not truly muslim and the faith does not encourage violence. But I don't know enough about religion to explain how they feel and people here seem very convinced true religious people kill in the name of their religion.

I still think having faith in a religion tends to bring out the good in people . . .
 
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crowTrobot said:
Religion is sometimes a motivational factor for violence, just as it is sometimes a motivational factor for charity. Which of those anyone thinks is "true" religious practice is irrelevant. That's just individual opinion (which in most modern cases is actually based on secular morality as a guide rather than teachings in religious texts).
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"secular morality"?
Do you have a link to this code?
 
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MARIS61 said:
It's the billions of fake believers who claim religious beliefs for social/business status who are not true religious people.
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whatever . . .
 
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Eastoff said:
this is close.
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Yep, good call. Just can't grasp the father's thinking though! That would be the last of that Mullah if I were in the fathers place, perhaps even his neighbor.
 
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MARIS61 said:
I have to ask what is an anti-woman group?

Seems unlikely such a thing exists.
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A group that calls for outlawing abortion even if the pregnancy kills the woman (regardless of her feelings about it) meets my definition of an anti-woman group.
Since you asked.
 
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MarAzul said:
Yep, good call. Just can't grasp the father's thinking though! That would be the last of that Mullah if I were in the fathers place, perhaps even his neighbor.
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Yes, there are plenty of horrible, disgusting acts that some cultures accept as the norm. =[
 
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This thread is hilarious. Never change S2, never change.
 
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crandc said:
A group that calls for outlawing abortion even if the pregnancy kills the woman (regardless of her feelings about it) meets my definition of an anti-woman group.
Since you asked.
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That group not only includes a large percentage of women, but being of the opinion that abortion is murder really has nothing to do with gender. It has to do with when you think life begins, and nothing else.

I think we all can agree that snuffing out a baby after it is born would be murder, many believe life begins at conception which would mean abortion is murder of a defenseless life, the government wimps out and ridiculously tries to compromise somewhere in mid-pregnancy...

I don't believe anyone has the right to force a woman to birth a baby, for any reason. But I don't for a minute think anti-abortionists are "anti-woman".
 
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
I find it interesting, but not troubling. Sounds like religious kids have more faith. I don't think that is a bad thing.

It sad to me that people of no religious faith look down on people with religious faith. With so many bad things out there to be involved in, is it a bad thing that people choose to live their life having a religious belief?
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It's not that sane people look down on crazy people. It's more like a combination of pity and annoyance. We feel sorry that they can't separate fact from fiction, but we are really tired of the worldwide pain and suffering their stupidity causes. We'd like to fix them, but you can't fix stupid.

When a person knows for certain that hordes of people who actually believe in magical super-beings are running around loose being bus drivers, policemen, airline pilots, senators, dentists, literally having his/her life in their bat-shit crazy hands, yeah, it's a little bit disconcerting.

So much time, effort and money is just pissed away with all this worldwide worship of nothing. The magnitude of gullibility and denial of common facts is so disheartening to any observer rooted in reality. As long as religion exists, there is no hope for the world.
 
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OdenRoyLMA2 said:
This thread is hilarious. Never change S2, never change.
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What's your opinion on the science article I posted originally? =]
 
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Eastoff said:
What's your opinion on the science article I posted originally? =]
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It's pretty much what you'd expect 5 year old kids to say based on how they were raised. It doesn't, however, have any implications on what's true or not.
 
Re: Judgments About Fact and Fiction by Children From Religious and Nonreligious Back

Here is a good example (or maybe a bad one?) of what happens when someone confuses their religious fantasies with reality.
 
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