OT Juneteenth

[dviss1]

Thank you for letting me know that you don't give a fuck. Yet you Do want others to give a fuck, that much is glaringly apparent.

No need replying, our little chat has come to an end as it is clear that you are incapable of holding an adult conversation.

Take it easy dviss1, maybe one day you will wake up them White people. While you are it though, you might want to take time out time to wake yourself up too.

I know who my enemies are. Racist white people.

I'm woke.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Doesn't it only apply to Texas?
Why not celebrate the day Lincoln declared the Emancipation Proclamation by executive order, January 1, 1863, New Year's Day?

It is not only a Texas thing

 

[dviss1]

As we evolve if we ever do...I'd recommend just stopping color tagging humans at some point and saying...Bad people DO need to figure this shit out and care about your fellow citizens or stupid people or violent people, etc.....being bad isn't exclusive...it's universal.

No. No. No.

White people need to fix what they created. Plain and simple.

Sorry, but the double standard is real. It doesn't work both ways.

This system of oppression was not created by us and white people still benefit from slavery and Jim Crow to this day.

Pay your reparations.

 

[riverman]

Pay your reparations.

Only Sly gets paid around here!

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

No. No. No.

White people need to fix what they created. Plain and simple.

Sorry, but the double standard is real. It doesn't work both ways.

This system of oppression was not created by us and white people still benefit from slavery and Jim Crow to this day.

Pay your reparations.

We have no reason to. When the hispanics outnumber us both combined what are you going to require of them? They'll ignore you but I'm just curious.

 

[barfo]

We have no reason to. When the hispanics outnumber us both combined what are you going to require of them? They'll ignore you but I'm just curious.

I will require of them...

taco trucks on every corner.

barfo

 

[dviss1]

We have no reason to. When the hispanics outnumber us both combined what are you going to require of them? They'll ignore you but I'm just curious.

The United States has plenty of reason to pay is reparations.

We paid them to the Japanese.

It's high time.

 

[Lanny]

c'mon bro...I've spent more than half my adult life in asia learning things most local folks here will never pay attention to culturally....Juneteenth was not taught in the schools I attended...nor my sons....nor celebrated by black musicians I've known for decades...it's great to learn about now though...and yeah...I don't have the same experience as you at all..I can tell you about great people throughout the civil rights movements...and history...I've read a lot of literature from Maya Angelou to Martin Luther King Jr and never encountered the Juneteenth celebration or mention of it...maybe it just didn't register....I can tell you some cultural holidays that you are probably unaware of as well.....did you know the worst thing you could do to any Thai person is touch them with your feet...it's why Thai boxing is sensationalized over there. The world is fascinating and thank you for clearing up what Juneteenth means as well as MM for the thread. Learn something everyday and whatever path leads to knowledge...it's not a race to the end...it's endless

Here's a little known fact about Koreans. When shaking hands or accepting a gift, you should place you left finger tips under your right wrist with palm facing up and fingers extended as if lifting up some imaginary baggy sleeve over the right arm (the one doing the handshaking or gift receiving). If receiving the gift with two hands, this would not apply but a slight bow would apply. You would do this if you wanted to display good manners to a Korean.
However, I also never heard of Juneteenth but thanks to Mediocreman and dviss, I've now been educated. It's always nice to learn something new and significant.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Because to know you have to care. You have to reach out to your fellow citizen and give a fuck.

Black lives have never mattered in this country and they don't now.

I'm not sure that's fair. If you've never been told something, how can you care?

Harrison Schmitt is a big fucking deal, but not many know who he is, or what he did.

 

[dviss1]

I'm not sure that's fair. If you've never been told something, how can you care?

Harrison Schmitt is a big fucking deal, but not many know who he is, or what he did.

It's been a holiday for 154 years.

It's amazing to me how that much time can pass and you all not be aware of it.

This is a testament to how white people in this country have oppressed and continue to oppress my people.

Erase our histories... literally kill us... Incarcerate us on mass scale while giving our white counterparts much smaller sentences for the same crimes...

No wonder why you all don't know about the holiday that commemorates the day that we were made free...

It's shameful....

 

[riverman]

No wonder why you all don't know about the holiday that commemorates the day that we were made free...

In all fairness dviss...you'd probably be hard pressed to find a dozen people who could tell you when the Civil War ended and in my case when Irish independence was declared....dates...memorize and forget them...from what I've read it was not declared a holiday in 1865.....Hillary Clinton was addressing in as late as 2012 and I thought it was first introduced in Texas in 1979.....don't have the article in front of me...I do know Taiwan's liberation date from mainland China....teaching is great..chastising anyone for lacking the knowledge though...not necessary

 

[barfo]

Harrison Schmitt is a big fucking deal, but not many know who he is, or what he did.

I don't know Jack Schmitt, as they say.

But he's fallen on his face more than once.



barfo

 

[e_blazer]

It's been a holiday for 154 years.

No it hasn't. It celebrates an event that happened 154 years ago (word reaching Texas that the Emancipation Proclamation had ended slavery), but it's not a national holiday. It's currently recognized as a holiday in 45 states and the District of Columbia. Oregon didn't formally recognize it until 2001 when Senate Joint Resolution 31 was adopted. At that time, only Idaho, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Delaware and Alaska had formally recognized the day. In Portland, the date has been celebrated for 45 years with a parade that was founded by Clara Peoples.

It's amazing to me how that much time can pass and you all not be aware of it.

The amount of time passing has little to do with something being recognized. Word has to be spread through action. There hasn't been enough of that.

 

[dviss1]

The amount of time passing has little to do with something being recognized. Word has to be spread through action. There hasn't been enough of that.

Frankly, It's not a holiday we'd share with white people. It's been suppressed from you all for a reason. But celebration of the holiday and Emancipation means shit until this unarmed black men stop being stopped by the police like THIS...

 

[e_blazer]

Frankly, It's not a holiday we'd share with white people. It's been suppressed from you all for a reason.

These may be some of the saddest words I've seen written in a post on this board.

The founders of the Juneteenth movement in Portland, Clara Peoples and Ora Lee Green, didn't feel that way. From an Oregonlive piece on Juneteenth:

On June 19, 1945, she asked her supervisor whether she could tell hundreds of workers that June 19 was an important day because it was "Juneteenth." Perplexed but cooperative, the supervisor let Peoples make an announcement on the factory's public address system.

She recalls these are her first four words:

"Now hear this, y'all ..."

She then told her co-workers about the significance of June 19, 1865.

That story, Green and Peoples agree, should be told forever."

That spirit is recognized in the text of Senate Joint Resolution 31:

Senate Joint Resolution 31

Whereas the Independence Day movement initiated by the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, did not include the enslaved descendants of Africans, nor were they recognized as full human beings under the Declaration of Independence; and

Whereas President Abraham Lincoln signed an executive order known as the Emancipation Proclamation that granted freedom to slaves in the states of the Confederacy on January 1, 1863; and

Whereas slave owners in the Confederate states continued to enslave people in defiance of the Emancipation Proclamation; and

Whereas, after the Civil War ended on April 9, 1865, the Union army was dispatched to the Confederate states to restore order and to ensure that the Emancipation Proclamation was enforced; and

Whereas, when Union Major General Gordon Granger read General Order Number 3 in the Gulf Coast town of Galveston, Texas, on June 19, 1865, containing those most important words, "all slaves are free," impromptu celebrations erupted across the state as the long-delayed news spread; and

Whereas June 19 is the oldest and most widely known celebration of African-American emancipation and a time for revival meetings, family reunions and celebrations of freedom, including pilgrimages by slaves and descendants of slaves to Galveston; and

Whereas June 19 is the freedom forerunner to the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which granted freedom to all slaves born in the United States, and the date is pivotal in our nation's Independence Day movement; and

Whereas in 1997 the 105th United States Congress passed Senate Joint Resolution 11 and House Joint Resolution 56 officially recognizing Juneteenth Independence Day; and

Whereas a formal apology for slavery, House Concurrent Resolution 356, was sponsored in the United States Congress by Representative Tony Hall of Ohio at the first annual Washington Juneteenth 2000 National Holiday Observance; and

Whereas Idaho, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Delaware and Alaska have already recognized the end of slavery in the United States through a Juneteenth state holiday, and thousands of petitions have been sent to the White House urging President Bush to declare June 19 a national holiday; and

Whereas if a Presidential Proclamation were issued, Juneteenth would be recognized as a national holiday and a very significant step would be taken to bring healing in the United States from the devastation caused by slavery; now, therefore,

Be It Resolved by the Legislative Assembly of the State of Oregon:

That we, the members of the Seventy-first Legislative Assembly, do hereby declare Juneteenth, June 19 of each year, to be a day for celebration statewide of the dignity and freedom of all citizens.

Filed in the office of Secretary of State June 26, 2001

 

[Mediocre Man]

It's been a holiday for 154 years.

It's amazing to me how that much time can pass and you all not be aware of it.

This is a testament to how white people in this country have oppressed and continue to oppress my people.

Erase our histories... literally kill us... Incarcerate us on mass scale while giving our white counterparts much smaller sentences for the same crimes...

No wonder why you all don't know about the holiday that commemorates the day that we were made free...

It's shameful....

It's been a holiday for 154 years.

It's amazing to me how that much time can pass and you all not be aware of it.

This is a testament to how white people in this country have oppressed and continue to oppress my people.

Erase our histories... literally kill us... Incarcerate us on mass scale while giving our white counterparts much smaller sentences for the same crimes...

No wonder why you all don't know about the holiday that commemorates the day that we were made free...

It's shameful....

Actually it's been 18 years since Oregon recognized the day as a holiday.

 

[dviss1]

These may be some of the saddest words I've seen written in a post on this board.

The founders of the Juneteenth movement in Portland, Clara Peoples and Ora Lee Green, didn't feel that way. From an Oregonlive piece on Juneteenth:



That spirit is recognized in the text of Senate Joint Resolution 31:

REALLY?? Those are the saddest words written on a post on this board??? Really???

After all the posts about police KILLING, brutality, and mass incarceration the fact that I say this is the saddest to you???

REALLY??? When Lincoln "Emancipated" us there STILL were pockets of the country that allowed slavery.

And that MF wanted us ALL to go back to a place most of us had NEVER BEEN TO.

Talmbout some 4 score and 7 years ago... That's 87 years...

FUCKING SHAMEFUL...

Here, let me trump your "saddest words" with this.. More black people being killed just for being black. Take a trip through history...

Blacks were slaughtered by whites in an episode forgotten by history books
October 1, 2018
American streets ran with blood in 1919. In the small town of Elaine, Arkansas, racial tensions turned brutally violent after African-American sharecroppers tried to unionize.
A staggering 237 people were estimated to be hunted down and killed in what is now known as the Elaine Massacre.
The bloodbath made its way all the way up to the United States Supreme Court. This is “Dark History” by the New York Post.

 

[dviss1]

No it hasn't. It celebrates an event that happened 154 years ago (word reaching Texas that the Emancipation Proclamation had ended slavery), but it's not a national holiday. It's currently recognized as a holiday in 45 states and the District of Columbia. Oregon didn't formally recognize it until 2001 when Senate Joint Resolution 31 was adopted. At that time, only Idaho, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Delaware and Alaska had formally recognized the day. In Portland, the date has been celebrated for 45 years with a parade that was founded by Clara Peoples.



The amount of time passing has little to do with something being recognized. Word has to be spread through action. There hasn't been enough of that.

We know why it isn't a national holiday... You misunderstand... It's been a holiday for US for that long...

 

[dviss1]

These may be some of the saddest words I've seen written in a post on this board.

Not more sad than words that you JUST posted... Maybe they're only sad to some...

"Whereas the Independence Day movement initiated by the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776,
did not include the enslaved descendants of Africans, nor were they recognized as full human beings under the Declaration of Independence"

MUCH more sad than:

Frankly, It's not a holiday we'd share with white people. It's been suppressed from you all for a reason.

Which for some reason you think WE suppressed you from learning about the holiday.. No, that was done by white people.

MM just said it's not a nationally recognized holiday. This why...

 

[Mediocre Man]

Not more sad than words that you JUST posted...

"Whereas the Independence Day movement initiated by the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776,
did not include the enslaved descendants of Africans, nor were they recognized as full human beings under the Declaration of Independence"

MUCH more sad than:



Which for some reason you think WE suppressed you from learning about the holiday.. No, that was done by white people.

MM just said it's not a nationally recognized holiday. This why...

Only 45 states. Huge deal here in Texas

 

[Lanny]

REALLY?? Those are the saddest words written on a post on this board??? Really???

After all the posts about police KILLING, brutality, and mass incarceration the fact that I say this is the saddest to you???

REALLY??? When Lincoln "Emancipated" us there STILL were pockets of the country that allowed slavery.

And that MF wanted us ALL to go back to a place most of us had NEVER BEEN TO.

Talmbout some 4 score and 7 years ago... That's 87 years...

FUCKING SHAMEFUL...

Here, let me trump your "saddest words" with this.. More black people being killed just for being black. Take a trip through history...

Blacks were slaughtered by whites in an episode forgotten by history books
October 1, 2018
American streets ran with blood in 1919. In the small town of Elaine, Arkansas, racial tensions turned brutally violent after African-American sharecroppers tried to unionize.
A staggering 237 people were estimated to be hunted down and killed in what is now known as the Elaine Massacre.
The bloodbath made its way all the way up to the United States Supreme Court. This is “Dark History” by the New York Post.

Blacks were routinely murdered in the deep South, usually at night, during the first half of the 19th century. It let up a bit in the mid 60s and even more in the latter part of the 19th century. I can say with complete confidence that it still goes on and it's no wonder that our Black citizens are fed up with it, I would be too. I would say that I'm pretty fed up with it as I type.
No one should feel free until we all feel free.

 

[e_blazer]

REALLY?? Those are the saddest words written on a post on this board??? Really???

You left out the modifier, "some of", dviss1. I included those words intentionally.

And I was referring to posts written by forum members, not atrocities culled out of history or current events.

And the word "sad" does not mean that I'm saying you're wrong. I'm simply saying that after more than 156 years have passed since the Emancipation Proclamation was signed, it's horribly sad that an African American in this country still feels that the holiday belongs to "his" people. Sad that there are still sound reasons why you feel that way. Sad that I was never taught in public schools in this state that there was something called Juneteenth that recognized the end of slavery and have never even heard mention of it anywhere in the press or elsewhere until I read this thread. Sad that you don't seem to appreciate that there are white people in this country who would love to celebrate a holiday that recognizes the formal end to the greatest stain, along with what was done to Native Americans, on the history of our country. Sad that there is still this "us" that excludes people of different racial backgrounds despite the vast numbers of people of all racial backgrounds who have helped historically and today to pay the price for the end of slavery and the advancement civil rights. Sad that there still exist such huge racial divides despite all of the money and efforts spent on various programs and entitlements intended to help disadvantaged minorities. And, just really freakin', abominably sad that the human heart is capable of such callous, dark, and evil disregard for basic human rights and dignity as to enslave someone for economic advantage or sexual gratification. Your statement just made me really, deeply sad.

 

[dviss1]

You left out the modifier, "some of", dviss1. I included those words intentionally.

And I was referring to posts written by forum members, not atrocities culled out of history or current events.

And the word "sad" does not mean that I'm saying you're wrong. I'm simply saying that after more than 156 years have passed since the Emancipation Proclamation was signed, it's horribly sad that an African American in this country still feels that the holiday belongs to "his" people. Sad that there are still sound reasons why you feel that way. Sad that I was never taught in public schools in this state that there was something called Juneteenth that recognized the end of slavery and have never even heard mention of it anywhere in the press or elsewhere until I read this thread. Sad that you don't seem to appreciate that there are white people in this country who would love to celebrate a holiday that recognizes the formal end to the greatest stain, along with what was done to Native Americans, on the history of our country. Sad that there is still this "us" that excludes people of different racial backgrounds despite the vast numbers of people of all racial backgrounds who have helped historically and today to pay the price for the end of slavery and the advancement civil rights. Sad that there still exist such huge racial divides despite all of the money and efforts spent on various programs and entitlements intended to help disadvantaged minorities. And, just really freakin', abominably sad that the human heart is capable of such callous, dark, and evil disregard for basic human rights and dignity as to enslave someone for economic advantage or sexual gratification. Your statement just made me really, deeply sad.

So then recognize the truth.

It does belong to my people. And yes there is an Us and a Them. Stop acting like this doesn't exist and simply acknowledge it.

And don't tell me what I appreciate about white people. I have GOOD white people in my family....

That's my brother Cameron with the Beard:

My brother Joel at his USC Graduation. The whole family flew down:

My blind lawyer Uncle Don (LIBERTARIAN):

My beautiful Nephew Jack... You could SWIM in his eyes.
He used to give me hugs and say "so much" instead of I love you because he couldn't form the words yet:

STOP WITH THIS...

The funniest thing is that every white person in my family (EVERY ONE) understands their privilege and are ALLIES in the fight with me.
They don't get offended about anything I say here about white people because they KNOW who I'm talking about and that it doesn't apply to them.
(Figure this shit out. The double standard is real).

Y'all barely know about it Juneteenth and make sure to tell me shit like "it's not a national holiday" in this very thread...

Well then FUCK IT. In general, white people make fun of Kwanzaa, don't understand or give a fuck about Juneteenth, but worse than that:

We're being killed and imprisoned at disproportionate rates. The disparity in our health system and outcomes is CRIMINAL.
We continue to be oppressed and you think me saying saying the holiday most white people don't know or care about doesn't belong to them is sad...
I guess me saying that opens up a can of worms when it comes to ALL of what ails black people in this country. What we want, is those GOOD white folk who stood up for us during civil rights to help here too.

That help is few and far between.

 

[e_blazer]

So then recognize the truth.

It does belong to my people. And yes there is an Us and a Them. Stop acting like this doesn't exist and simply acknowledge it.

And don't tell me what I appreciate about white people. I have GOOD white people in my family....

That's my brother Cameron with the Beard:

My brother Joel at his USC Graduation. The whole family flew down:

My blind lawyer Uncle Don (LIBERTARIAN):

My beautiful Nephew Jack... You could SWIM in his eyes.
He used to give me hugs and say "so much" instead of I love you because he couldn't form the words yet:

STOP WITH THIS...

The funniest thing is that every white person in my family (EVERY ONE) understands their privilege and are ALLIES in the fight with me.
They don't get offended about anything I say here about white people because they KNOW who I'm talking about and that it doesn't apply to them.
(Figure this shit out. The double standard is real).

Y'all barely know about it Juneteenth and make sure to tell me shit like "it's not a national holiday" in this very thread...

Well then FUCK IT. In general, white people make fun of Kwanzaa, don't understand or give a fuck about Juneteenth, but worse than that:

We're being killed and imprisoned at disproportionate rates. The disparity in our health system and outcomes is CRIMINAL.
We continue to be oppressed and you think me saying saying the holiday most white people don't know or care about doesn't belong to them is sad... I guess me saying that opens up a can of worms when it comes to ALL of what ails black people in this country.
What we want, is those GOOD white folk who stood up for us during civil rights to help here too.

That help is few and far between.

A conversation is usually best when one person isn't telling the other one what to do and what to think.

Next year maybe I'll just sneakily celebrate Juneteenth and not tell anyone.

 

[Shaboid]

I think the OP question has enlightened many, myself included. I will recognize Juneteenth. Whether anyone wants me to or not.

Open-mindedness and inclusion are vital.

 

[dviss1]

Open-mindedness and inclusion are vital.

Let's remember this stuff when it comes to what black people are dealing with as a whole.

Because I can't stand when white people gentrify and then put a black lives matter sign in their new yard.

 

[dviss1]

A conversation is usually best when one person isn't telling the other one what to do and what to think.

Next year maybe I'll just sneakily celebrate Juneteenth and not tell anyone.

You're not understanding me. I'm not telling you not to celebrate Juneteenth. What I'm saying is keep that same energy when you see the next cop guns one of us down while unarmed...

I'm also telling you not to assume you know anything about me and how I feel about the good white people in my family.

 

[e_blazer]

You're not understanding me. I'm not telling you not to celebrate Juneteenth. What I'm saying is keep that same energy when you see the next cop guns one of us down while unarmed...

I'm also telling you not to assume you know anything about me and how I feel about the good white people in my family.

Since I knew nothing about the “good white people in your family”, I’m not sure how you figure I was telling you how to feel about them. Be that as it may, I am firmly in favor of bad cops getting prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

You know dviss1, you’re about as prickly as a cactus. You’re not particularly easy to like, but somehow I do. Guess I’m just a glutton for your punishment.

 

[PDXFonz]

NSFW. Summa y'all might get mad at this but...



Mama's outside, barbecuing ribs and links
It's Juneteenth, but to me it don't mean stink
It's a day of emancipation, but everybody wonder why
Willie ain't celebrating
But things ain't perfect
I'm looking beyond the surface
So instead of drinking beer, and playing Dominoes
I'm sitting in the room with my eyes closed

RIP Bushwick Bill

 

[Mediocre Man]

You're not understanding me. I'm not telling you not to celebrate Juneteenth. What I'm saying is keep that same energy when you see the next cop guns one of us down while unarmed...

I'm also telling you not to assume you know anything about me and how I feel about the good white people in my family.

There are good white people everywhere. Just like there are good black people everywhere. Just like there are shitty white and black people everywhere.

As a society, we need to stop judging people on the color of their skin, and focus on if they are an asshole or not.