Jury says black people can't call other black people the N-word

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Thought police. I think the First Amendment protects my right to offend. It seems, however, that I am in the minority. The American people are now all too willing to give up their rights to protect their delicate sensibilities.
 
maxiep said:
Thought police. I think the First Amendment protects my right to offend. It seems, however, that I am in the minority. The American people are now all too willing to give up their rights to protect their delicate sensibilities.
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I hate that word, but you're right. Criminalizing words and thoughts leads to very dark places if history has anything to teach us.
 
There is a difference between criminalizing words and making it so that they can't be used in the work place where one person has power over another. You should be able to say it elsewhere, but not at work.
 
Actually that is not what the jury said. They said in this context use of the word constituted harassment. The story makes it very clear the word was used while telling the employee she was worthless, etc.

But don't let facts get in the way.
 
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There is a difference between criminalizing words and making it so that they can't be used in the work place where one person has power over another. You should be able to say it elsewhere, but not at work.
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I believe employment is an optional condition for both parties. As a boss, I should be able to have the option to not have this person work for me. As an employee, I should be able to have the option to not work for someone.

There shouldn't need to be some kind of basic standard for the workplace. Employees select those workplaces that fit their personalities the best. Over time, the best environments will employ the best people and therefore put out the best products/services. The shit ones will wither and die.

My point is that none of this should fall under the purview of the courts, unless it becomes criminal. If I found one of my employees was harassing a subordinate, they would be fired on the spot. Bringing the courts in is just a ploy for compensation.
 
crandc said:
Actually that is not what the jury said. They said in this context use of the word constituted harassment. The story makes it very clear the word was used while telling the employee she was worthless, etc.

But don't let facts get in the way.
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Cool. Thanks for the clarification. I didn't read the article.

As I mentioned above, something like this should never have gone to court.
 
maxiep said:
Cool. Thanks for the clarification. I didn't read the article.

As I mentioned above, something like this should never have gone to court.
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I must spread some rep around. But great to see someone, on either side, read a response, digest the information and adjust their stance accordingly.
 
crandc said:
Actually that is not what the jury said. They said in this context use of the word constituted harassment. The story makes it very clear the word was used while telling the employee she was worthless, etc.

But don't let facts get in the way.
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OK, but take this a little deeper. The defense was it was OK for him to use the term because he is black and that is a word he uses when communicating with other black people. The jury, as the article title says, rejects argument that use of racial slur among blacks can be culturally acceptable.

I think the title is correct if examining not just the plaintiffs side but also the defense presented and the jury's verdict . .. especially because a portion of the award is punitive damages. But of course we are talking about a work environment. People can say whatever they want to on their private time.
 
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magnifier661 said:
I'm tired of everyone agreeing with each other. This forum is filled with transgender men!
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I know, totally man, I'm with you 110%! So sick of everyone agreeing. You and I are completely sympatico on this.
 
crandc said:
Actually that is not what the jury said. They said in this context use of the word constituted harassment. The story makes it very clear the word was used while telling the employee she was worthless, etc.
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Bottom line is a worthless employee used the court system to bilk her boss out of $280,000.
 
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maxiep said:
I believe employment is an optional condition for both parties. As a boss, I should be able to have the option to not have this person work for me. As an employee, I should be able to have the option to not work for someone.

There shouldn't need to be some kind of basic standard for the workplace. Employees select those workplaces that fit their personalities the best. Over time, the best environments will employ the best people and therefore put out the best products/services. The shit ones will wither and die.

My point is that none of this should fall under the purview of the courts, unless it becomes criminal. If I found one of my employees was harassing a subordinate, they would be fired on the spot. Bringing the courts in is just a ploy for compensation.
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That's not how it works in the real world. Some of the most valuable employees are also some of the biggest assholes. I've had amazingly skilled and talented coworkers who offended those around them on a daily basis. At work they are irreplaceable. Away from work we go separate ways. People of all types work best when allowed to be themselves.
 
...what about "*****"?! :dunno:

^that was supposed to say n-i-g-g-a^
 
It noted that Johnson, who was never a STRIVE participant, was employed there despite a previous conviction for grand larceny that required her to pay about $100,000 in restitution. The judge barred lawyers from telling jurors about the conviction.
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It is easier to fire someone than to motivate them. The courts are going to side with the one being called names as well.
 
She's a thief. Figures. What's next? A white boss can't yell "Honky!" at his white subordinates?
 
I think what is important here is that while it's not ok for anyone to call a black person a ******, it's still perfectly ok for black people to call white people crackers......whew
 
crandc said:
Actually that is not what the jury said. They said in this context use of the word constituted harassment. The story makes it very clear the word was used while telling the employee she was worthless, etc.

But don't let facts get in the way.
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Seems the jury added $30K in punitive damages to the $250K award they gave. Outside the court:

"It's the most offensive word in the English language," attorney Marjorie M. Sharpe said outside federal court in Manhattan after a jury Tuesday added $30,000 in punitive damages to go with a $250,000 compensatory damages award it imposed last week against STRIVE East Harlem and founder Rob Carmona.

Sharpe stood with her client, 38-year-old Brandi Johnson, after a jury of six men and two women determined Carmona owes her $25,000 and STRIVE $5,000 in additional damages in a case that put a legal microscope to the concept that the word that is a degrading slur when spoken by whites can be used without retribution and sometimes affectionately among blacks, even in the workplace.

Sharpe said the double standard had persisted far too long as "people have tried to take the sting away from the N-word."

Johnson said she hopes the word now "won't be tolerated no matter what your race is."
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Marjorie Sharpe wants to dictate black jargon. Is she white? Maybe she should order American Indians and Jews not to be pissed off about history, while she's at it. Also, she could tell gays to shut up. Finally, she could fine any lawyer $400,000 who doesn't admit that he or she is a petty dictator like she is.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
No it doesn't, but unlike popular opinion, it doesn't suck to be black either.
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I wonder if you were born black, what your posts would be like today. Anyways, your comment made me think of the Serena and Venus documentary on HBO I just watched. There was a funny segment about why black people might have chips on their shoulders for no apparent reason and there was Chris Rock explaining why black people might have chip on their shoulders because everything is just harder when you are black (i found it hilarious the way Chris Rock delivers it)

He also has a funny comment about how they are black black not country club black . . it was pretty funny.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
I think what is important here is that while it's not ok for anyone to call a black person a ******, it's still perfectly ok for black people to call white people crackers......whew
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Yo ah think what iz important here iz dat while it's not otay fo' anyone ta page uh black ***** uh ******, it's still perfectly otay fo' black *****s ta page whitey *****s crackers......whew don't make me shank ya!
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I wonder if you were born black, what your posts would be like today. Anyways, your comment made me think of the Serena and Venus documentary on HBO I just watched. There was a funny segment about why black people might have chips on their shoulders for no apparent reason and there was Chris Rock explaining why black people might have chip on their shoulders because everything is just harder when you are black (i found it hilarious the way Chris Rock delivers it)

He also has a funny comment about how they are black black not country club black . . it was pretty funny.
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And other races/religions have managed to overcome much of that prejudice. Jews, Asians, etc. The biggest problem with the black community is their continued self-victimhood by much of their population and certainly most of their "leaders".

And speaking of Chris Rock, one of his most insightful bits was "I love black people, but I hate *****s". I saw him do it at Howard University (I think it might have been the one filmed for HBO), and the overwhelmingly black audience was laughing even harder than I was.
 
maxiep said:
And other races/religions have managed to overcome much of that prejudice. Jews, Asians, etc. The biggest problem with the black community is their continued self-victimhood by much of their population and certainly most of their "leaders".

And speaking of Chris Rock, one of his most insightful bits was "I love black people, but I hate *****s". I saw him do it at Howard University (I think it might have been the one filmed for HBO), and the overwhelmingly black audience was laughing even harder than I was.
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