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During yesterdays Yankees / Cardinals game they mentioned that it was the 50th anniversary of the 64 world series between the two teams so I thought I'd give myself a test. Although I was only 10 at the time I bet myself that I could name at least 3 players from every 1964 team.

I didn't do to bad as I was able to name at least 3 players from 15 of the 20 teams. The teams that stumped me were..............

Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Indians
California Angels
Washington Senators
Houston Colt 45s

It was really interesting going back & seeing the players stats from that year.
 
Just some fun facts from 1964

Batting champs = Roberto Clemente (339) N.L. & Tony Oliva (323) A.L.
Home Runs = Willie Mays (47) N.L. & Harmon Killebrew (49) A.L.
Runs battered in = Ken Boyer (119) N.L. & Frank Robinson (118) A.L.
Stolen bases = Maury Wills (53) N.L. & Luis Aparicio (57) A.L.
Wins = Larry Jackson (24) N.L. & Dean Chance (20) A.L.
ERA = Sandy Koufax (1.74) N.L. & Dean Chance (1.65) A.L.
Strike outs = Bob Veale (250) N.L. & Al Downing (217) A.L.
M.V.P. = Ken Boyer N.L. & Brooks Robinson A.L.
CYA = Dean Chance (through 1966 only one award was given

Interesting stat = over 30 pitchers completed 10 games or more led by Juan Marichal with 22 & Don Drysdale with 21

And the next time anyone complains about a pitcher giving up to many HRs think of how bad Kansas City Athletic pitcher Orlando Pena felt in 1964 when he gave up a league leading 40
 
...I recall being in the car with Mom, Dad, and my Brother in '64 on our way from Memphis to Jacksonville during the final games of the WS. Just to shut me up, Dad let me listen to the game on the car radio. Yanx were ahead I believe until Ken Boyer hit that friggin; GS...I was inconsolable.

...as far as the Kansas City A's, during the 50's and 60's the A's were little more than the Yanx "secret" farm system...multiple one sided trades were made between the 2 teams. And though some of the other AL teams complained nothing was ever done about it.
 
And speaking of 1964 here in Queens NY they celebrated the 50th anniversary of the worlds fair. It was heart breaking seeing how the remaining landmarks from that fair are just rotting away. But there's hope as the city is trying to raise funds to preserve them. Yeah like this city can't afford to accomplish that.
 
That World Series found me at "A" 12th USASAFS Chitose Hokkaido Japan APO SF 96281. Our Site worked 24/7 shifts with Radio Coverage available but somewhat unclear at times. We were next to last on the Supply Chain so when the Papers came up from down south the game recaps were old. The two standouts for me were Mantles Gamer bomb and Stottlemyers first series win.
 
Well before my time but who knew at the time that the end of the 1964 season would start what would become a decade of losing.
 
In '64 you knew something was up, there were a few youngsters, but the basic cadre was getting more old, less bold. Mantle & Ford were operating more on guts than ability, Yogi done as a player, fired as a manager. CBS bought the team and just let it run into the ground. I remember seeing Steinbrenners first interview after he bought the team stating that the franchise was going to rise from the ashes. Thanks to Gabe Paul getting the trades and the managing of Virdon & Billy Martin they found their way back.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
In '64 you knew something was up, there were a few youngsters, but the basic cadre was getting more old, less bold. Mantle & Ford were operating more on guts than ability, Yogi done as a player, fired as a manager. CBS bought the team and just let it run into the ground. I remember seeing Steinbrenners first interview after he bought the team stating that the franchise was going to rise from the ashes. Thanks to Gabe Paul getting the trades and the managing of Virdon & Billy Martin they found their way back.
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You know Michael even as a kid I remember thinking "Well, we'll have basically the same team in 65 that we had in 64" and we did. So logic dictated that if we won 99 games in 64 & in 65 the same group is coming back we should be okay right?...........WRONG!

I had no idea at the time that 1964 would be the last really productive seasons of guys named Mantle, Ford, Maris, Howard & Bouton. Here's a quick look...........

HOWARD went from, (150 games = 15/84/313) to (110 games = 9/45/233)
MANTLE went from, (143 games = 35/111/303) to (122 games = 19/46/255)
MARIS went from, (141 games = 26/71/281) to (46 games = 8/27/239)
FORD went from, (17-6 with a 2.13 ERA) to (16-13 with a 3.24 ERA)
BOUTON went from (18-13 with a 3.02 ERA) to (4-15 with a 4.82 ERA)

Hell even our new kid named Pepitone went from 28/100/251 to 18/62/247

The results, 1964 = 99-63 to 1965 = 77-85 As a kid, I was crushed.
 
Hammer I think we are the only ones here without AARP cards.
 
totus44 said:
Hammer I think we are the only ones here without AARP cards.
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Which is all the more reason why you should NEVER question anything we older posters say. Instead you should just read, learn & take in the wisdom & knowledge that we could provide your young & unchallenged minds. So going forward remember we are here to teach. You are here to learn. And on that note..............You're dismissed.
 
Rick2583 said:
During yesterdays Yankees / Cardinals game they mentioned that it was the 50th anniversary of the 64 world series between the two teams so I thought I'd give myself a test. Although I was only 10 at the time I bet myself that I could name at least 3 players from every 1964 team.

I didn't do to bad as I was able to name at least 3 players from 15 of the 20 teams. The teams that stumped me were..............

Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Indians
California Angels
Washington Senators
Houston Colt 45s

It was really interesting going back & seeing the players stats from that year.
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That was a hard Series to believe. I was stunned, back then, I just knew everytime Mick hit a HR, the Yanks would inevitably WIN. But damn it they didn't. What blows my mind then and now, still, was of all players to ever steal Home-Tim McCarver, WTF...tim slow poke McCarver. Tho' Mick did hit his HR, w/3 RBI's in the game, who would of ever thought it would not be Lou Brock to steal Home?

Even in the 9th, down 4 runs, I just knew when Clete Boyer hit his HR, even with 2 outs, and the legendary Bob Gibson on the mound, when Phil Linz hit his solo HR, (now down 3 runs, I just knew the Yanks comeback was going to happen.....it didn't).

another interesting stat in that Series, was Gibson struck out 31 batters in 3 games. The entire Yankee Pitching staff had 39 K's. I was as much stunned when Ford only threw 5.1 innings in the first game only. I thought the Yanks were all Supermen, invincible who could not be stopped even with injury. Even with Mick's 61 sidelined injury, I thought he too would come back & pass Maris.

those were the days...! Days, when our heroes were above Superman and Batman- our real life heroes, who were "faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than a locomotive, and could leap tall buildings in a single bounce".

I guess that year was truly the end of our innocence...!
 
totus44 said:
Hammer I think we are the only ones here without AARP cards.
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You can always apply for honorary membership....!!! :lol:

Even if your young at heart, or age, your both old souls.....regardless of age, or before your time, you are entitled.......!
 
Hammerojustice said:
1964... I wasn't born for another 13 years...
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totus44 said:
Hammer I think we are the only ones here without AARP cards.
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Rick2583 said:
Which is all the more reason why you should NEVER question anything we older posters say. Instead you should just read, learn & take in the wisdom & knowledge that we could provide your young & unchallenged minds. So going forward remember we are here to teach. You are here to learn. And on that note..............You're dismissed.
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There's a BIG difference between wisdom and senility... ;)
 
Delusions of grandeur are the early warning signs of senility. Next comes denial and deflection, that's the next major stage of its progression.
 
totus44 said:
Delusions of grandeur are the early warning signs of senility. Next comes denial and deflection, that's the next major stage of its progression.
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I know this wasn't directed at me but, I really don't think Rob, Ron, Michael & a few of the other posters won't appreciate your snot nose attitude.
 
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Here's my thing, at age 68 I'm still on the dance floor, singing and playing my guitars. Other than an occasional aspirin, a one time shot of Percodan for a turned ankle, and some primatine once when I had pleurisy I was not going to sacrifice a military career for drugs. I quit drinking back in 1974, bounced the smokes over 7 years ago. I utilize excercises from my Military PT Days, 3 days a week, aerobics the other three. I have sustained a runners build all my life. You may call me old if you like but see if you can be where I am when you arrive there as well. My dad used to say if you sit on your ass, you'll be on your ass and I've found that to be very true. Aging is like death and taxes. inevitable I just deal with it the best I can.
 
Rick2583 said:
I know this wasn't directed at me but, I really don't think Rob, Ron, Michael & a few of the other posters will appreciate your snot nose attitude.
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...rick, tote is just poking at you with a sharp stick...no malice intended. His sense of humor is twisted, like my own.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Here's my thing, at age 68 I'm still on the dance floor, singing and playing my guitars. Other than an occasional aspirin, a one time shot of Percodan for a turned ankle, and some primatine once when I had pleurisy I was not going to sacrifice a military career for drugs. I quit drinking back in 1974, bounced the smokes over 7 years ago. I utilize excercises from my Military PT Days, 3 days a week, aerobics the other three. I have sustained a runners build all my life. You may call me old if you like but see if you can be where I am when you arrive there as well. My dad used to say if you sit on your ass, you'll be on your ass and I've found that to be very true. Aging is like death and taxes. inevitable I just deal with it the best I can.
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...yup, you gotta keep the juices flowing...keep moving.

...and like I told rick, tote is just playing around and is not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.
 
My terminal military assignment was as an Instructor in the AS Army TAMMS & PLL Course at Fort Lee Virginia. Due to my seniority I was placed in charge of class graduation ceremonies. So I'd get guest speakers to address a graduation class prior to the actual ceremony. For one graduation I lined up the Senior Ranking Quartermaster person at Fort Lee, the man had done 30 in the Army plus Civil Service, looked old enough to have been a 2nd Lieutenant on General Meigs Staff during the Civil War. The man was sharp as a tack and on that day he addressed all those young Privates saying I probably look old as dirt to you but I feel advantaged because I already know what you will experience because I have. It capped off what turned out to be an excellent graduation. I always remember that lesson I learned. I don't take offense if someone jives me about age because I always think back to that mans speech.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...rick, tote is just poking at you with a sharp stick...no malice intended. His sense of humor is twisted, like my own.
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Ron I would think after all these years you would have picked up on my warped sense of humor. I was just poking back. It's all good.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
My terminal military assignment was as an Instructor in the AS Army TAMMS & PLL Course at Fort Lee Virginia. Due to my seniority I was placed in charge of class graduation ceremonies. So I'd get guest speakers to address a graduation class prior to the actual ceremony. For one graduation I lined up the Senior Ranking Quartermaster person at Fort Lee, the man had done 30 in the Army plus Civil Service, looked old enough to have been a 2nd Lieutenant on General Meigs Staff during the Civil War. The man was sharp as a tack and on that day he addressed all those young Privates saying I probably look old as dirt to you but I feel advantaged because I already know what you will experience because I have. It capped off what turned out to be an excellent graduation. I always remember that lesson I learned. I don't take offense if someone jives me about age because I always think back to that mans speech.
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You tell em Mr. AARP.
 
Hammerojustice said:
There's a BIG difference between wisdom and senility... ;)
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Rick2583 said:
You are correct my young friend, I have wisdom & Rob has senility.
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I never claimed to have Wisdom....senility? LMAO....I'm not senile just one pissed off forgetful old fart. Senile, I forget, what is that?

ah, I remember, I DENY that accusation....and deflect it too......I'm not senile, just demented, like in dementia, and I deny and deflect that too.... :lol: :oldman:

My doctor told me I don't have onset of Alzheimer's either....he said only old men named Al have Heimers...!!!
 
I will admit, I have forgot more than I remember....hehe...!
 
totus44 said:
Hammer I think we are the only ones here without AARP cards.
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Tom, I called AARP for you today, you've got an Honorary Membership and Card, on the way. This way you can legally hold our bed side urine bottles, and change our bed pans....LMAO....

Honestly, i wouldn't use a bed pan if it were the only thing to take a dump in. I'd crawl to the toilet, or blow it all out my nose.....

When I had my back surgery in 04, the RN brought a bed pan in, about the only thing I clearly recall that week, my reply- "get that damn thing out of here, if you think I'm going to use that, your out of your bleeping mind".

Tho' walking wasn't just painful, it was a miracle, and I had no problem walking an inch per step, to take care of business.

Sorry, if that was to visceral or graphic, more than you needed or wanted to know or hear.... :lol:

There is no substitute for determination....!!!
 
Mattingly23NY said:
Tom, I called AARP for you today, you've got an Honorary Membership and Card, on the way. This way you can legally hold our bed side urine bottles, and change our bed pans....LMAO....

Honestly, i wouldn't use a bed pan if it were the only thing to take a dump in. I'd crawl to the toilet, or blow it all out my nose.....

When I had my back surgery in 04, the RN brought a bed pan in, about the only thing I clearly recall that week, my reply- "get that damn thing out of here, if you think I'm going to use that, your out of your bleeping mind".

Tho' walking wasn't just painful, it was a miracle, and I had no problem walking an inch per step, to take care of business.

Sorry, if that was to visceral or graphic, more than you needed or wanted to know or hear.... :lol:

There is no substitute for determination....!!!
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LOL, if that's the case, I'm the only one without one then... ;)
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Here's my thing, at age 68 I'm still on the dance floor, singing and playing my guitars. Other than an occasional aspirin, a one time shot of Percodan for a turned ankle, and some primatine once when I had pleurisy I was not going to sacrifice a military career for drugs. I quit drinking back in 1974, bounced the smokes over 7 years ago. I utilize exercises from my Military PT Days, 3 days a week, aerobics the other three. I have sustained a runners build all my life. You may call me old if you like but see if you can be where I am when you arrive there as well. My dad used to say if you sit on your ass, you'll be on your ass and I've found that to be very true. Aging is like death and taxes. inevitable I just deal with it the best I can.
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Sounds like your in great shape Michael. I know you know its a helluva lot easier to stay in shape, than lose it, then try to get it back....no doubt, Kudos to you...!

Me, my problem, was I thought I was invincible, until I turned 35, and the wheels began to fall off....moreso from over-aggressive sports play in my youth-(30 yrs. young- prior)....A person, more than pays for the sins or aggressions; (a Butkus mentality) I had as a kid, long before I knew who Butkus was).

An old timer, of great wisdom once said to me on age: "If you did not know the day, year, decade of your birth, and no one else knew when you were born either. Then how old would you be"? .... I believe his point, may of been, age is a frame of mind....maybe....? Sounds good anyway...! LOL...
 
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