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Rick2583

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and because I'm bored, Checking up on the ex-Yankees (dirty dozen)


Curtis Granderson (Mets) 17 / 53 / 212................(13M)
Russell Martin (Pirates) 8 / 52 / 285......................(8.5M)
Nick Swisher (Indians) 8 / 42 / 208......................(15M)
Robinson Cano (Mariners) 12 / 75 / 319...............(24M)
Melky Cabrera (Blue Jays) 16 / 73 / 301................(8M)
Lyle Overbay (Brewers) 4 / 34 / 246......................(1.5M)
Mark Reynolds (Brewers) 21 / 44 / 198..................(2M)
Eduardo Nunez (Twins) 4 / 24 / 266....................(0.5769M)
Phil Hughes (Twins) 15-9 3.55 ERA.......................(8M)
Joba Chamberlain (Tigers) 1-5 3.42 ERA...............(2.5M)
Ian Kennedy (Padres) 10-12 3.75 ERA..................(6.1M)
A.J. Burnett (Phillies) 8-15 4.29 ERA.....................(7.5M)
 
Looking at Melky, I hope ARod has that type of season after PEDs.
 
Rick2583 said:
and because I'm bored, Checking up on the ex-Yankees (dirty dozen)


Curtis Granderson (Mets) 17 / 53 / 212................(13M)
Russell Martin (Pirates) 8 / 52 / 285......................(8.5M)
Nick Swisher (Indians) 8 / 42 / 208......................(15M)
Robinson Cano (Mariners) 12 / 75 / 319...............(24M)
Melky Cabrera (Blue Jays) 16 / 73 / 301................(8M)
Lyle Overbay (Brewers) 4 / 34 / 246......................(1.5M)
Mark Reynolds (Brewers) 21 / 44 / 198..................(2M)
Eduardo Nunez (Twins) 4 / 24 / 266....................(0.5769M)
Phil Hughes (Twins) 15-9 3.55 ERA.......................(8M)
Joba Chamberlain (Tigers) 1-5 3.42 ERA...............(2.5M)
Ian Kennedy (Padres) 10-12 3.75 ERA..................(6.1M)
A.J. Burnett (Phillies) 8-15 4.29 ERA.....................(7.5M)
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Martin is a good all-around catcher, exceptional offensive catcher - but the catcher's spot hasn't been a big problem for the Yanks - McCann's numbers aren't all that bad for a 6th-7th place hitter(where he should be batting) and Cervelli certainly doesn't embarrass himself with the stick.
Beltran, Tex and 3b have been very weak in the power/run producing department. I kinda wish the Yanks' would've kept Grandy. If anyone has a swing made for the Stadium, it's Grandy. And he was very comfortable here.
 
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Martin is a good all-around catcher, exceptional offensive catcher - but the catcher's spot hasn't been a big problem for the Yanks - McCann's numbers aren't all that bad for a 6th-7th place hitter(where he should be batting) and Cervelli certainly doesn't embarrass himself with the stick.
Beltran, Tex and 3b have been very weak in the power/run producing department. I kinda wish the Yanks' would've kept Grandy. If anyone has a swing made for the Stadium, it's Grandy. And he was very comfortable here.
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Why? the mans combined average over the last 3 seasons is a lowly 226 & he's a strike out machine. No thank you, I'm okay with Ellsbury.
 
...actually, the catcher's spot was a big problem for the Yanx.


2012 Catchers: .220 .308 .387 .695
2013 Catchers: .213 .289 .298 .587

...and no way I wanted Granderson back.
 
Rick2583 said:
Why? the mans combined average over the last 3 seasons is a lowly 226 & he's a strike out machine. No thank you, I'm okay with Ellsbury.
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I woulda been okay with Grandy IN RIGHT FIELD and Ellsbury in CF with Ichiro being ......
...the BEST 4th outfielder in MLB? Maybe? Think it over...consult '59. lol...now read below.

Grandy /Yanks:2010- 2012 AVERAGE---BA .247, HR 36, 97 RBI, OPS .843
He had two long term broken bone injuries in 2013...remember?

Your move..............tic tic tic ........
 
yankeesince59 said:
...actually, the catcher's spot was a big problem for the Yanx.


2012 Catchers: .220 .308 .387 .695
2013 Catchers: .213 .289 .298 .587

...and no way I wanted Granderson back.
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I was referring to 2014 HERE AND NOW, with McCann as compared to what the catchers spot gave us in 2012 and 2013.....go read my post (#7) again.
WHAM........... you LOST. Having trouble with your reading comprehension? LMAO! What a doofus....lol...rotfl
 
^^^I did read it, I read it before I replied, and you are wrong...the catcher's spot has been a problem and it's been a problem for the last 3 years, including this year.

...here, would you like this year's numbers too? .247 .298 .397 .695

...Yanx catchers rank 17th in BA... and 22nd in OBP... I suppose you think that's not a problem, and good somehow?


...and would you also like to support your claim that Martin is "an exceptional offensive catcher". I would not be surprised if you point to his 2014 stats as a barometer. He's not exceptional at all.
 
blgridesagain said:
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I woulda been okay with Grandy IN RIGHT FIELD and Ellsbury in CF with Ichiro being ......
...the BEST 4th outfielder in MLB? Maybe? Think it over...consult '59. lol...now read below.

Grandy /Yanks:2010- 2012 AVERAGE---BA .247, HR 36, 97 RBI, OPS .843
He had two long term broken bone injuries in 2013...remember?

Your move..............tic tic tic ........
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With the exception of 2011 he was a terrible OBP guy & as I said WAY to many strike outs. Also I'm sure the Yankees weren't expecting Beltran to be hurt most of this season.
 
...lol...$14.1 Mil for Grandy @ .216 .318 .373 .692 ?...not to mention sub par defense?

...oye.
 
Ok, referring to the post OP- I shit now what?

I'm not giggling either.....!
 
Rick2583 said:
With the exception of 2011 he was a terrible OBP guy & as I said WAY to many strike outs. Also I'm sure the Yankees weren't expecting Beltran to be hurt most of this season.
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Rick, this is what the Yankees need NOW: From my post #10,
Grandy 2010-2012, 3 full season average-- 36 HR, 97 RBI, OPS .843
(ba .247 which isn't horrible for those power stats)

The Yankees need RUN production guys, not an OBP specialist.
Grandy is younger than Beltran, and he's stood healthy with the exception of last year when he caught two freaky pitches breaking his arm/wrist... whatever, ruining his season.

I think.....I would've preferred him instead of Beltran - along with the addition of Ellsbury (contract)
 
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...during the last 2 years, Granderson has not been the same player he once was.
 
yankeesince59 said:
^^^I did read it, I read it before I replied, and you are wrong...the catcher's spot has been a problem and it's been a problem for the last 3 years, including this year.

...here, would you like this year's numbers too? .247 .298 .397 .695

...Yanx catchers rank 17th in BA... and 22nd in OBP... I suppose you think that's not a problem, and good somehow?


...and would you also like to support your claim that Martin is "an exceptional offensive catcher". I would not be surprised if you point to his 2014 stats as a barometer. He's not exceptional at all.
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We're going to have to disagree on this one- I still don't think the catcher's spot has been a "problem". It has held it's own this year amoung A.L. catchers. You seem to put the emphasis on BA and OBP - but the Yankees' catching this year is tied for 2nd place in RBI, tied for 6th in OPS and is ranked 5th in SLG%.
That isn't a problem unless you were looking for premium, near the top numbers across the board.

Russell Martin - he's having a good season, coming into this season (excluding this season), his yearly averages were:
BA .255, 14 HR, 59 RBI, 11 SB and an OBP of .349 which would rank 2nd right now in the A.L.
Yep, I think Martin is an exceptional offensive catcher - not a big power hitter, but he handles the bat well - can steal a few bases - I'll admit, I wouldn't be surprised if he began to tail off in the next couple of years - but Russell Martin is, and has been a GOOD (exceptional) offensive catcher for most of his career.
 
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Rick, this is what the Yankees need NOW: From my post #10,
Grandy 2010-2012, 3 full season average-- 36 HR, 97 RBI, OPS .843
(ba .247 which isn't horrible for those power stats)

The Yankees need RUN production guys, not an OBP specialist.
Grandy is younger than Beltran, and he's stood healthy with the exception of last year when he caught two freaky pitches breaking his arm/wrist... whatever, ruining his season.

I think.....I would've preferred him instead of Beltran - along with the addition of Ellsbury (contract)
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The Granderson you speak of (2010-2012) no longer exists.
 
blgridesagain said:
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We're going to have to disagree on this one- I still don't think the catcher's spot has been a "problem". It has held it's own this year amoung A.L. catchers. You seem to put the emphasis on BA and OBP - but the Yankees' catching this year is tied for 2nd place in RBI, tied for 6th in OPS and is ranked 5th in SLG%.
That isn't a problem unless you were looking for premium, near the top numbers across the board.

Russell Martin - he's having a good season, coming into this season (excluding this season), his yearly averages were:
BA .255, 14 HR, 59 RBI, 11 SB and an OBP of .349 which would rank 2nd right now in the A.L.
Yep, I think Martin is an exceptional offensive catcher - not a big power hitter, but he handles the bat well - can steal a few bases - I'll admit, I wouldn't be surprised if he began to tail off in the next couple of years - but Russell Martin is, and has been a GOOD (exceptional) offensive catcher for most of his career.
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...well, where the Yankee catchers stand in the AL is an indictment on AL catchers in general, which is why I used all of MLB instead of just the AL. And where they stand in the AL only means that the AL is weak offensively as far as catchers go. The Yankees catchers have been well below average the last 2-3 years. That's why they acquired McCann...And so far McCann is nowhere near the hitter the Yanx hoped he'd be. If it were not for his defense he'd be a huge disappointed.
...and you seem to discount BA and OBP but you put a premium on both SLG and OPS, which is a derivative of SLG (your stat) and OBP (my stat)...that's hilarious. You also point to RBIs, which is a TEAM stat...also hilarious.
...as far as Martin, we're getting into semantics now. Yes, Martin is a "good" offensive catcher, but that a long way from being "exceptional". Buster Posey is exceptional (Career .308 .374 .488 .861)... Martin (Career .258 .354 .397 .751) is good.
 
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yankeesince59 said:
...well, where the Yankee catchers stand in the AL is an indictment on AL catchers in general, which is why I used all of MLB instead of just the AL. And where they stand in the AL only means that the AL is weak offensively as far as catchers go. The Yankees catchers have been well below average the last 2-3 years. That's why they acquired McCann...And so far McCann is nowhere near the hitter the Yanx hoped he'd be. If it were not for his defense he'd be a huge disappointed.
...and you seem to discount BA and OBP but you put a premium on both SLG and OPS, which is a derivative of SLG (your stat) and OBP (my stat)...that's hilarious. You also point to RBIs, which is a TEAM stat...also hilarious.
...as far as Martin, we're getting into semantics now. Yes, Martin is a "good" offensive catcher, but that a long way from being "exceptional". Buster Posey is exceptional (Career .308 .374 .488 .861)... Martin (Career .258 .354 .397 .751) is good.
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I never discounted BA and OBP....I only said "you seem to put an emphasis on BA and OBP"...
...and you said RBIs "is a team stat"...

Looks like you want high BAs and OBPs from your catcher (I won't refuse high BAs and OBPs), and kinda downplay RBI/SLG% from the catcher's position as RBI is more of a team stat.

Hank Aaron (BEST EXAMPLE) is the all-time leader in RBI........Hank Aaron!
Something tells me if Hank Aaron played on bad-mediocre teams....he'd still have very good HR/RBI numbers and would be a major offensive asset to his team.

One more thing about BAs......sometimes the numbers are MUCH higher with bases empty than with runners on.

This little thing called - ba/wrisp. I'll gladly take 3 or 4 very good hitters w/risp in my lineup.
 
...can someone decipher this gibberish ^^^?


...and explain to me why Hank Aaron is being compared to Russell fucking Martin?


...spin it however you want, but Martin is not an "exceptional" offensive catcher...and Granderson sux.
 
...good luck with that...but he didn't seem to grasp it when I posted his stats either.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...can someone decipher this gibberish ^^^?


...and explain to me why Hank Aaron is being compared to Russell fucking Martin?


...spin it however you want, but Martin is not an "exceptional" offensive catcher...and Granderson sux.
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umm....I'll......go......real....slow......for....you.........

You said.......RBI is a.......team..........stat.........so......to put it.......into.....perspective.........I.....used.....the all....time.......leader.....in...rbi.....Hank..................Aaron........

If RBI.....is....a....team....stat.....wouldn't.....Hank....Aaron....if he.....played....on a ...bad....team....his....whole.......career......STILL.....HAVE.....ALOT......of RBI?



Never mind....lets use Ernie Banks....now try and keep up.......
DID ERNIE BANKS PLAY ON BAD TEAMS MOST OF HIS CAREER?

How........did...........he.........do.....? Not.....too.....bad......huh?
 
...oh, yeah, that's much better...now you're comparing Russell Martin to Ernie Banks instead of Hank Aaron.

(rolls eyes)
 
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