Just how stupid is Michele Bachmann?

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Rep. Michele Bachmann got her Revolutionary War history a bit screwed up at an event in New Hampshire today, telling the crowd: "What I love about New Hampshire and what we have in common is our extreme love for liberty. You're the state where the shot was heard around the world in Lexington and Concord."

The Battles of Lexington and Concord and the shot heard round the world took place in Massachusetts.

"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas." -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009

"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak that happened when Gerald Ford, a Republican, was president, April 28, 2009

"If we took away the minimum wage -- if conceivably it was gone -- we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." Michele Bachmann, Jan. 2005

"That's why people need to continue to go to the town halls, continue to melt the phone lines of their liberal members of Congress, and let them know, under no certain circumstances will I give the government control over my body and my health care decisions." -Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), a pro-lifer who completely missed the irony of using the same slogan as the pro-choice movement in arguing against health care reform

 

[Rhal]

Bachmann has a history of misquoting and completely getting things wrong. She is the funniest thing to happen to politics since Clinton got caught with his ugly secretary.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

and she's a WOMAN! what a fucking idiot!

 

[Klinky]

and she's a WOMAN! what a fucking idiot!

Obama is a black Kenyan who wasn't even born in the USA! What a fucking idiot!

 

[speeds]

Her and Palin both strike me as being disingenuous. I suppose most politicians are being fed things to say but these two don't have the ability to filter information or the humility to admit a mistake. Then you have their batshit acolytes making excuses for them and changing Wikipedia pages to try and revise history based on their misinterpretations. I hope the GOP can do better.

 

[Denny Crane]

Obama said stupid things, too. Like he visited all 57 states.

Similar to Obama as well, the big issue against her is lack of experience and using one elected office to go after a higher one. Without doing the job elected to do.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Obama said stupid things, too. Like he visited all 57 states.

Similar to Obama as well, the big issue against her is lack of experience and using one elected office to go after a higher one. Without doing the job elected to do.

I thought Obama got suffciently hammered for that gaffe.

If Obama made some of those statements I read above, he would get extremely hammered . . . especially that last one.

Forget experience, if Obama or Bachmann will say stuff publiclly like the quotes I'm reading above, I do not want them as president of the US.

 

[agoo]

Was Obama asked a follow-up question to clarify his 57 states comment and did he insist that there are indeed 57 states? There's a difference between a slip of the tounge and insisting that you're right when you're not.

 

[Denny Crane]

Was Obama asked a follow-up question to clarify his 57 states comment and did he insist that there are indeed 57 states? There's a difference between a slip of the tounge and insisting that you're right when you're not.

He insisted that if congress passed the "emergency" stimulus bill that unemployment would not go beyond 8%.

He insists there are millions of jobs created because of his policies, yet the net jobs created is a really bug negative number.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

He insisted that if congress passed the "emergency" stimulus bill that unemployment would not go beyond 8%.

He insists there are millions of jobs created because of his policies, yet the net jobs created is a really bug negative number.

I love bug negative numbers! They're so creepy and crawly.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

He insisted that if congress passed the "emergency" stimulus bill that unemployment would not go beyond 8%.

He insists there are millions of jobs created because of his policies, yet the net jobs created is a really bug negative number.

And you see those comments equally bad as Bachmann's comments quoted above?

 

[Denny Crane]

And you see those comments equally bad as Bachmann's comments quoted above?

As bad, and they represent real damage done to the Republic based on failed beliefs.

 

[mobes23]

As bad, and they represent real damage done to the Republic based on failed beliefs.

I get that you're mad that Obama hasn't gotten us out of the hole as fast as any of us would like, but are you at least as angry at Bush who put us in the hole in the first place?

That said, the anger/fingerpointing stuff sure is old to me (and I'm not talking just about you, Denny). Rs and Ds need to be talking with each other and coming up with solutions that find middle ground. Instead of that, both sides seem more interested in pointing out how stupid the opposition is and that gets us exactly no where.

 

[maxiep]

Michele Bachmann is smarter than most posters in here and smarter than the current occupant of the Oval Office.

 

[Denny Crane]

I get that you're mad that Obama hasn't gotten us out of the hole as fast as any of us would like, but are you at least as angry at Bush who put us in the hole in the first place?

That said, the anger/fingerpointing stuff sure is old to me (and I'm not talking just about you, Denny). Rs and Ds need to be talking with each other and coming up with solutions that find middle ground. Instead of that, both sides seem more interested in pointing out how stupid the opposition is and that gets us exactly no where.

I really want Obama to succeed, but I really think he's made things far worse than I expected. Bush and fellow republicans were plenty spendy in their own right, but the govt. "only" borrowed $.16 of every dollar it spent vs. $.42 now.

Bush isn't the president, nor does he have any power or authority to "fix" things. The blaming of him for the situation Obama inherited is fair enough, but Bush inherited a recession and tech bubble burst where many millions of people lost jobs and $5T in wealth. Clinton inherited a recession, too, and a real estate and S&L crisis. Reagan inherited an economy looking like 3rd world and the infamous "misery index."

Those guys worked with congresses of both parties and fixed things so people had jobs, paid taxes, and had money to spend.

I'm tired of the blame game and the utter failure relative to those other guys. Obama inherited a mess no worse than those others and it is not getting better under his policies, and with his own party given a supermajority in the senate, etc.

He's not the solution, he's the problem! And while some want to see him reelected no matter what, he jokes about there not being as many shovel ready jobs as he thought.

I'll repeat something I have posted a few times before. For the price of his stimulus package, $800B, we could have provided 40,000 brand new companies with $25M each in venture capital. $25M divided by $100,000 salaries would pay 50 employees at each of those companies for 5 years even if the companies generated $0 in revenues. That's 2M jobs and people paying taxes and making their mortgage payments instead of being foreclosed upon.

At this point, I don't see how Palin or Bachman or Bozo the clown would be any worse for the next 4 years, and at least there would be the slightest hope for things to turn around.

 

[speeds]

Try to stay on topic, Denny.

Bachmann says weird things and has crazy eyes.

 

[maxiep]

The sad thing is that you know someone is doing opposition research on not just her and her husband, but her five kids and 23 foster children.

 

[barfo]

Obama inherited a mess no worse than those others

That just isn't factual, Denny.

barfo

 

[Klinky]

Bush isn't the president, nor does he have any power or authority to "fix" things. The blaming of him for the situation Obama inherited is fair enough, but Bush inherited a recession and tech bubble burst where many millions of people lost jobs and $5T in wealth.

He also had the benefit of the most prosperous bubble since the Great Depression. Yet he was still running huge deficits. Imagine if there was no housing bubble. My goodness. We'd probably be experiencing the decade we're having now...

 

[Denny Crane]

That just isn't factual, Denny.

barfo

It is factual.

 

[maxiep]

He also had the benefit of the most prosperous bubble since the Great Depression. Yet he was still running huge deficits. Imagine if there was no housing bubble. My goodness. We'd probably be experiencing the decade we're having now...

No housing bubble would have meant smoother growth at a reasonable rate. No housing bubble would have meant a healthier financial system not requiring a bailout because there wouldn't have been crap MBS product out there. Lehman and Bear would still be alive. Merrill and JP Morgan would still be independent. No housing bubble would have cut off much of the personal deficit spending available through home equity loans, lessening the pain of repaying them. And no housing bubble would have meant a more rational housing market with greater transactional volume today.

Bubbles are highly disruptive and should be avoided if possible. This last one was avoidable.

 

[Denny Crane]

He also had the benefit of the most prosperous bubble since the Great Depression. Yet he was still running huge deficits. Imagine if there was no housing bubble. My goodness. We'd probably be experiencing the decade we're having now...

The NASDAQ bubble of 1999 was more prosperous. The entire NASDAQ doubled in value between September 1999 and January 2000. It peaked at about 4x what it is today. When the bubble burst, $5.7T of peoples' net worth was lost, and lots of companies went out of business and there was massive job loss because of it. Worldcom ring a bell? Sold off in pieces. AT&T was one of the oldest companies in the US and it was sold off in pieces, too. Enron, Global Crossing, etc.

Obama claiming he inherited the worst situation is another one of his statements that fly in the face of reason.

 

[mobes23]

I think Kilink's point was that the housing bubble juiced the economy and generated tax revenue and yet Bush still had a sizable budget deficit. With the Clinton era bubble, there was no deficit and there was talk of (eventually) eliminating U.S. debt.

Comparing the collapse of one sector (tech bubble) to the cusp of the collapse of the financial system does not make sense. Both were bad, but the impact to the entire financial system was a much bigger deal.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think Kilink's point was that the housing bubble juiced the economy and generated tax revenue and yet Bush still had a sizable budget deficit. With the Clinton era bubble, there was no deficit and there was talk of (eventually) eliminating U.S. debt.

Comparing the collapse of one sector (tech bubble) to the cusp of the collapse of the financial system does not make sense. Both were bad, but the impact to the entire financial system was a much bigger deal.

The balanced budgets were an illusion. People paid capital gains taxes on those NASDAQ bubble era sales. When the bubble burst, a massive drop in revenues occurred. And when you make $1 last year and lose $1 this year, but paid the tax on the $1 you made, the tax wasn't on real income, but on your life savings!

But even so, when the govt. ran surpluses and paid off all its debt that it could, the govt. was taking more than it needed and I see no point in that.

The thing about our current deficits is that the mint has been printing $trillions in new money and using it to pay off some of the debt. So Obama is in reality running deficits of 100% of what govt. takes in taxes and fees. More like $2.5T with $1T devaluing our currency in a hurry.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The republican party always manages to find these gems!

Dubya --> Pailin --> Bachmann

 

[speeds]

She just said she won't get into a mud-wrestling fight with Palin.

I think she meant mud-slinging?

I hope she gets the nomination.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

She just said she won't get into a mud-wrestling fight with Palin.

I think she meant mud-slinging?

I hope she gets the nomination.

VS

 

[mobes23]

The balanced budgets were an illusion. People paid capital gains taxes on those NASDAQ bubble era sales. When the bubble burst, a massive drop in revenues occurred. And when you make $1 last year and lose $1 this year, but paid the tax on the $1 you made, the tax wasn't on real income, but on your life savings!

But even so, when the govt. ran surpluses and paid off all its debt that it could, the govt. was taking more than it needed and I see no point in that.

The thing about our current deficits is that the mint has been printing $trillions in new money and using it to pay off some of the debt. So Obama is in reality running deficits of 100% of what govt. takes in taxes and fees. More like $2.5T with $1T devaluing our currency in a hurry.

Under Clinton, the budget SURPLUS last four years -- longer than the internet bubble.

The below link has a graph showing budget surplus/deficit and it's pretty interesting. Note that the deficits Bush was running in some years occurred while the economy was strong.

http://factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/


"But even so, when the govt. ran surpluses and paid off all its debt that it could, the govt. was taking more than it needed and I see no point in that."

While I agree with that statement, I think it would be a huge luxury to be fighting over how we can make the budget surplus bigger. In fact, that would pretty much be a dream lol

 

[speeds]

Why are you guys taking the bait?

Every thread gets steered into something about Obama.

It's a device.

 

[maxiep]

Why are you guys taking the bait?

Every thread gets steered into something about Obama.

It's a device.

To be fair, President Obama doesn't know how old his daughter is. Today, he said she was 13. She's actually 12. Of course, I don't blame him wanting to forget her birthday. To him it's the most dispicable day on the calendar, as that day is also the birthday of the most evil entity in human history. Malia's birthday? July 4th.