OT Just One Reason I Don't Arbitrarily Support BLM's Efforts

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I see no benefits in being a cop these days.
 
Bet that kid never steals another bag of chips!
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is why I advocate for providing police a nice house in the city they are policing.

We need better police, so we'll have to pay them better. With that, of course, will come higher standards.
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Agreed
 
I don't think you can really say that BLM has leadership, can you?

I view BLM in the same way that I view ANTIFA or the Tea Party. They're just a large group of people who all support one specific cause.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
I don't think you can really say that BLM has leadership, can you?

I view BLM in the same way that I view ANTIFA or the Tea Party. They're just a large group of people who all support one specific cause.
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Yes, agreed.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think you can really say that BLM has leadership, can you?

I view BLM in the same way that I view ANTIFA or the Tea Party. They're just a large group of people who all support one specific cause.
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Yes, they have leadership. Many of them are on the state/local level. Many on the state and local levels have seen to the passing of legislation that benefits all.

https://campaignzero.org/solutions#solutionsoverview
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Yes, they have leadership. Many of them are on the state/local level. Many on the state and local levels have seen to the passing of legislation that benefits all.

https://campaignzero.org/solutions#solutionsoverview
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I get that there are people who started the "organization" and make money off the name, but anyone can walk out carrying a BLM sign at a protest and poof they're now BLM. I don't think I have even once heard them come out and say "that wasn't a sanctioned BLM protest!"
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Yes, they have leadership. Many of them are on the state/local level. Many on the state and local levels have seen to the passing of legislation that benefits all.

https://campaignzero.org/solutions#solutionsoverview
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There's good in virtually all of these types of organizations. To me, it comes down to a who's guarding the guardians type of thing. Accountability. Does Campaign Zero have a Board or such? I didn't see one listed.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I get that there are people who started the "organization" and make money off the name, but anyone can walk out carrying a BLM sign at a protest and poof they're now BLM. I don't think I have even once heard them come out and say "that wasn't a sanctioned BLM protest!"
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What I linked to has nothing to do with starting or protesting.

You asked about leadership, and I posted one of their websites that shows how they are and have proposed to address some of their concerns.

I'll post a couple of examples from the website I linked to. They present a problem and then solutions on either legislation or policy changes that they are proposing or helping to enact.

While they are not a cure-all, body cameras and cell phone video have illuminated cases of police violence and have shown to be important tools for holding officers accountable. Nearly every case where a police officer was charged with a crime for killing a civilian in 2015 relied on video evidence showing the officer's actions.
POLICY SOLUTIONS

Body cameras

⚠️Due to a range of research studies finding no evidence that body cameras reduce police use of force, we caution cities against adopting new body camera programs. Places that have already implemented body cameras should ensure they are governed by the following policies reinforcing accountability:

  • require officers with body cams to record all law enforcement interactions and prevent officers from having discretion to turn the cameras off

  • notify subjects that they have the option to remain anonymous and stop recording/storing footage if they choose this option

  • allow civilians to review footage of themselves or their relatives and request this be released to the public and stored for at least two years

  • require body and dash cam footage to be stored externally and ensure district attorneys and civilian oversight structures have direct access to the footage

  • require police departments, whenever they want to deny a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for body or dash cam footage, to prove in court that the footage constitutes a legitimate FOIA exemption (Ex: Illinois House Bill 4355)

  • include a disciplinary matrix clearly defining consequences for officers who fail to adhere to the agency's body camera policy.

  • consider whether cameras or mandated footage are tampered with or unavailable as a negative evidentiary factor in administrative and criminal proceedings

  • prevent officers from reviewing footage of an incident before completing initial reports, statements or interviews about an incident

  • prohibit footage from being used in tandem with facial recognition software, as fillers in photo arrays, or to create a database or pool of mugshots. (Ex: Baltimore PD Body Cam Policy)

  • update privacy laws to protect civilians from having video or audio recordings released publicly that do not contain potential evidence in a use-of-force incident, misconduct incident, discharge of a weapon or death.
(Ex: ACLU Model Policy)

The Right to Record Police

Ban police officers from taking cell phones or other recording devices without a person's consent or warrant and give people the right to sue police departments if they take or destroy these devices. (Ex: Colorado Law)

...

Police should be working to keep people safe, not contributing to a system that profits from stopping, searching, ticketing, arresting and incarcerating people.
POLICY SOLUTIONS
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End police department quotas for tickets and arrests

Ban police departments from using ticket or arrest quotas to evaluate the performance of police officers

(Ex: Illinois law)

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Limit fines and fees for low-income people

Pass policies requiring local governments to:

  • ban issuing fines or arrest warrants for civilians who fail to appear in court for a traffic citation (Ex: Ferguson Policy)
  • ban generating more than 10% of total municipal revenue from fines and fees (Ex: Missouri law)
  • allow judges discretion to waive fines and fees for low-income people or initiate payment plans (Ex: Pennsylvania law)
  • prohibit courts from ordering individuals on parole or probation to pay supervision fees and other correctional fees
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Prevent police from taking the money or property of innocent people

Prohibit police from:

  • seizing property of civilians (i.e. civil forfeiture) unless they are convicted of a crime and the state establishes by clear and convincing evidence that the property is subject to forfeiture
  • keeping any property that has legally been forfeited (instead, this property should go to a general fund)
  • participating in the federal Equitable Sharing program that allows police to engage in civil asset forfeiture
(Ex: New Mexico law)
Require police departments to bear the cost of misconduct

  • Require the cost of misconduct settlements to be paid out of the police department budget instead of the City's general fund
  • Restrict police departments from receiving more money from the general fund when they go over-budget on lawsuit payments
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What I linked to has nothing to do with starting or protesting.

You asked about leadership, and I posted one of their websites that shows how they are and have proposed to address some of their concerns.

I'll post a couple of examples from the website I linked to. They present a problem and then solutions on either legislation or policy changes that they are proposing or helping to enact.

While they are not a cure-all, body cameras and cell phone video have illuminated cases of police violence and have shown to be important tools for holding officers accountable. Nearly every case where a police officer was charged with a crime for killing a civilian in 2015 relied on video evidence showing the officer's actions.
POLICY SOLUTIONS

Body cameras

⚠️Due to a range of research studies finding no evidence that body cameras reduce police use of force, we caution cities against adopting new body camera programs. Places that have already implemented body cameras should ensure they are governed by the following policies reinforcing accountability:

  • require officers with body cams to record all law enforcement interactions and prevent officers from having discretion to turn the cameras off

  • notify subjects that they have the option to remain anonymous and stop recording/storing footage if they choose this option

  • allow civilians to review footage of themselves or their relatives and request this be released to the public and stored for at least two years

  • require body and dash cam footage to be stored externally and ensure district attorneys and civilian oversight structures have direct access to the footage

  • require police departments, whenever they want to deny a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for body or dash cam footage, to prove in court that the footage constitutes a legitimate FOIA exemption (Ex: Illinois House Bill 4355)

  • include a disciplinary matrix clearly defining consequences for officers who fail to adhere to the agency's body camera policy.

  • consider whether cameras or mandated footage are tampered with or unavailable as a negative evidentiary factor in administrative and criminal proceedings

  • prevent officers from reviewing footage of an incident before completing initial reports, statements or interviews about an incident

  • prohibit footage from being used in tandem with facial recognition software, as fillers in photo arrays, or to create a database or pool of mugshots. (Ex: Baltimore PD Body Cam Policy)

  • update privacy laws to protect civilians from having video or audio recordings released publicly that do not contain potential evidence in a use-of-force incident, misconduct incident, discharge of a weapon or death.
(Ex: ACLU Model Policy)

The Right to Record Police

Ban police officers from taking cell phones or other recording devices without a person's consent or warrant and give people the right to sue police departments if they take or destroy these devices. (Ex: Colorado Law)

...

Police should be working to keep people safe, not contributing to a system that profits from stopping, searching, ticketing, arresting and incarcerating people.
POLICY SOLUTIONS
interview.jpg.png

End police department quotas for tickets and arrests

Ban police departments from using ticket or arrest quotas to evaluate the performance of police officers

(Ex: Illinois law)

image-asset.png

Limit fines and fees for low-income people

Pass policies requiring local governments to:

  • ban issuing fines or arrest warrants for civilians who fail to appear in court for a traffic citation (Ex: Ferguson Policy)
  • ban generating more than 10% of total municipal revenue from fines and fees (Ex: Missouri law)
  • allow judges discretion to waive fines and fees for low-income people or initiate payment plans (Ex: Pennsylvania law)
  • prohibit courts from ordering individuals on parole or probation to pay supervision fees and other correctional fees
image-asset.png

Prevent police from taking the money or property of innocent people

Prohibit police from:

  • seizing property of civilians (i.e. civil forfeiture) unless they are convicted of a crime and the state establishes by clear and convincing evidence that the property is subject to forfeiture
  • keeping any property that has legally been forfeited (instead, this property should go to a general fund)
  • participating in the federal Equitable Sharing program that allows police to engage in civil asset forfeiture
(Ex: New Mexico law)
Require police departments to bear the cost of misconduct

  • Require the cost of misconduct settlements to be paid out of the police department budget instead of the City's general fund
  • Restrict police departments from receiving more money from the general fund when they go over-budget on lawsuit payments
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I get that, but my point is still that BLM isn't a top-down organization like the Salvation Army or something like that. If a group of people show up with a bunch of BLM signs and start protesting, they're now considered BLM, do you not agree? I'm not aware of needing any kind of approval to protest as BLM.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I get that, but my point is still that BLM isn't a top-down organization like the Salvation Army or something like that. If a group of people show up with a bunch of BLM signs and start protesting, they're now considered BLM, do you not agree? I'm not aware of needing any kind of approval to protest as BLM.
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If I say Black Lives Matter it doesn't mean I have suddenly joined BLM. If I were to join a protest and some BLM members were there that doesn't mean everyone is now BLM.

If Qanon holds a rally and some of their "believers" have MAGA signs that doesn't make them Donald Trump campaign workers. It doesn't mean they suddenly represent the Trump campaign.

And to use your Salvation Army example that organization was started in London in 1865. Yes, you're correct, BLM is not as organized as an organization that was started 157 years ago.
 
ABM said:
That's fantastic. It's imperative. Curious how Patrisse Collors' situation is handled.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/oh-to-be-as-privileged-as-a-black-lives-matter-leader/
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It's sad how you just refuse to read things you think you might not agree with.

This is right on the page I linked for you.

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SlyPokerDog said:
If I say Black Lives Matter it doesn't mean I have suddenly joined BLM. If I were to join a protest and some BLM members were there that doesn't mean everyone is now BLM.

If Qanon holds a rally and some of their "believers" have MAGA signs that doesn't make them Donald Trump campaign workers. It doesn't mean they suddenly represent the Trump campaign.

And to use your Salvation Army example that organization was started in London in 1865. Yes, you're correct, BLM is not as organized as an organization that was started 157 years ago.
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Ok, other example. Sierra Club, or PETA, or any other well known group. I imagine if you started a protest, and claimed you were part of PETA, and you were not in fact part of PETA, they would probably come after you.

Are you saying that people need to actually join BLM in order to have a BLM protest? I really don't think it's that organized. :dunno:
 
SlyPokerDog said:
It's sad how you just refuse to read things you think you might not agree with..
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I did read through it and said that was fantastic. What did I post that you specifically disagree with?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Ok, other example. Sierra Club, or PETA, or any other well known group. I imagine if you started a protest, and claimed you were part of PETA, and you were not in fact part of PETA, they would probably come after you.

Are you saying that people need to actually join BLM in order to have a BLM protest? I really don't think it's that organized. :dunno:
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I might be remembering wrong but most of the protests that happened were organic, based on an incident rather than organized.

I'm not really sure if the Sierra Club or PETA is the right example. I would look at the labor/worker protests in the 1800 and 1900s that grew into other organizations like labor unions and legislative actions like 5 day work weeks, 8 hour work day, elimination of child labor just to name a few.

I see an organization trying to pivot from being born from protests to taking a more problems and solutions focus.

I personally DO NOT support the violence and vandalism of many of the protests but I do support the discussion of problems of the black and other minority communities AND the proposed ideas to fix them. I think that is very important and what we all need to focus on and encourage.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sly....... the words Black Lives Matter don't appear anywhere on that page.
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Campaign Zero: Black Lives Matter activists' new, comprehensive policy platform, explained

Black Lives Matter activists finally have an answer to critics demanding specific policy proposals.

This has been a central question posed to the movement, which aims to eliminate racial disparities in the criminal justice system, since it rose to national prominence following the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. A lot of groups — from supporters to media to Hillary Clinton — have challenged the movement to define its policy agenda.

"You're going to have to come together as a movement and say, 'Here's what we want done about it,'" Clinton said in a meeting with Black Lives Matter activists last week. "Because you can get lip service from as many as white people as you can pack into Yankee stadium and a million more like it, who are going to say, 'Oh, we get it, we get it. We're going to be nicer.' That's not enough — at least in my book. That's not how I see politics."

But now activists have an answer to Clinton's call with the launch of Campaign Zero. The website details several proposals to limit police use of force, particularly shootings against black people who are disproportionately likely to die at the hands of police. The proposals aren't particularly surprising for anyone who's closely followed the Black Lives Matter movement, but it's the most comprehensive set of ideas ever released by advocates.

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/21/9188729/police-black-lives-matter-campaign-zero
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I might be remembering wrong but most of the protests that happened were organic, based on an incident rather than organized.

I'm not really sure if the Sierra Club or PETA is the right example. I would look at the labor/worker protests in the 1800 and 1900s that grew into other organizations like labor unions and legislative actions like 5 day work weeks, 8 hour work day, elimination of child labor just to name a few.

I see an organization trying to pivot from being born from protests to taking a more problems and solutions focus.

I personally DO NOT support the violence and vandalism of many of the protests but I do support the discussion of problems of the black and other minority communities AND the proposed ideas to fix them. I think that is very important and what we all need to focus on and encourage.
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I'm 100% in favor of organization because I think it limits the anarchy and destruction. Much rather have planned out and well executed protests or events.
 
I suppose it's still a work in process. My thread title indicates I don't "arbitrarily" support BLM's efforts. That said, it doesn't mean there aren't positive aspects of of the organiztion at large. I'm sure there are. I'm hopeful the Board helps keep things on a progressing track.

In other news......(the comments following the article are interesting.)

https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/...rt-black-lives-matter-few-think-it-has-helped

Oregonians support Black Lives Matter; few think it has helped
 
ABM said:
I suppose it's still a work in process. My thread title indicates I don't "arbitrarily" support BLM's efforts. That said, it doesn't mean there aren't positive aspects of of the organiztion at large. I'm sure there are. I'm hopeful the Board helps keep things on a progressing track.

In other news......(the comments following the article are interesting.)

https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/...rt-black-lives-matter-few-think-it-has-helped

Oregonians support Black Lives Matter; few think it has helped
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Arbitrarily supporting any organization is stupid.
 
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