Justice Scalia found dead.

[SlyPokerDog]

"Historically, most presidents select a nominee within a week of a Supreme Court vacancy. However, there have been several lengthy vacancies when the Senate refused to play ball with controversial presidents or controversial nominees.

President John Tyler had a particularly difficult time filling vacancies. Smith Thompson died in office December 18, 1843. His replacement, Samuel Nelson, was in office starting February 14, 1845. That’s a vacancy of 424 days. Henry Baldwin died in office April 21, 1844. His replacement, Robert Cooper, was in office starting August 4, 1846. This vacancy lasted 835 days because Tyler could not get the Senate to work with him. During Tyler’s presidency, the Senate rejected nine separate Supreme Court nominations!"

http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/13/ample-precedent-for-rejecting-supreme-court-nominees/

I think that was back when people had slaves instead of iphones.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/12/03/a-look-at-justice-scalia-on-the-small-screen/

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Don't you have another thread to derail or piss on?

 

[barfo]

Strange tactic of McConnell to say that the senate won't approve ANY appointment. Seems like it would have been smarter to keep that to himself and complain about /stall the specific nominee when it comes. Doing it before knowing who will be nominated just makes the Democrats case for them that it is pure partisanship and nothing else.

I'm not sure who wins this - both sides will be energized by the fight. But it's hard to see it not being a, if not the, major issue in the general. Let the battle begin!

barfo

 

[barfo]

FWIW

Ginsburg is 82 and she's had pancreatic cancer and heart surgery. If a republican is elected and she has to retire during his term, democrats may lose a seat. The seat that passed ObamaCare, for example.

If she retired today, Obama could nominate a conservative (let the republicans give him a name) and an uber liberal and they'd both pass.

The wishful thinking is strong in this one.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Hillary is going to be in jail or indicted. I heard on CNN yesterday that there are 150 FBI agents working on building the case and that it involves the email server and ties to the Clinton foundation, and I heard Marc Rich (controversial Clinton pardon) mentioned.

The wishful thinking is very strong in this one.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Strange tactic of McConnell to say that the senate won't approve ANY appointment. Seems like it would have been smarter to keep that to himself and complain about /stall the specific nominee when it comes. Doing it before knowing who will be nominated just makes the Democrats case for them that it is pure partisanship and nothing else.

I'm not sure who wins this - both sides will be energized by the fight. But it's hard to see it not being a, if not the, major issue in the general. Let the battle begin!

barfo

Obama is going to put some nominee through a painful rejection because he's going to insist on proving he's an idiot. McConnell is giving him an out and a warning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurmond_Rule

The Thurmond Rule is an informal and somewhat amorphous rule in the United States Senate regarding confirmations of judicial nominees. While it originated with former Senator Strom Thurmond's opposition to President Lyndon Johnson's nomination of Justice Abe Fortas to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in June 1968, the specifics of the rule vary between sources. Thurmond himself said that no lifetime judicial appointments should move in the last six months or so of a lame-duckpresidency.[1] In the last year of George W. Bush's second term Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy stated the rule as meaning "judicial nominations do not advance in the Senate in the latter part of a presidential election year without the support of Senate leaders and top lawmakers on the Judiciary committee."

 

[jlprk]

Ah yes, Thurmond, the racist who Republicans gave the right of approval over every appointee whom Clinton nominated. While the media raked Clinton for his supposed affairs, they hid Thurmond's black love child.

Ah yes, Fortas, the liberal who Republicans stalled on Lyndon Johnson naming as Chief Justice until Nixon was inaugurated and successfully blackmailed to quit the Supreme Court, using the same techniques Nixon used with the Watergate burglars Nixon employed. Nixon then nominated the right-wing Warren Burger as Chief Justice.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ah yes, Thurmond, the racist who Republicans gave the right of approval over every appointee whom Clinton nominated. While the media raked Clinton for his supposed affairs, they hid Thurmond's black love child.

Ah yes, Fortas, the liberal who Republicans stalled on Lyndon Johnson naming as Chief Justice until Nixon was inaugurated and successfully blackmailed to quit the Supreme Court, using the same techniques Nixon used with the Watergate burglars Nixon employed. Nixon then nominated the right-wing Warren Burger as Chief Justice.

In the last year of George W. Bush's second term Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy stated the rule as meaning "judicial nominations do not advance in the Senate in the latter part of a presidential election year without the support of Senate leaders and top lawmakers on the Judiciary committee."

 

[jlprk]

One whole senator said that once, 8 whole years ago? I guess that establishes it as one of the 200-year-old Rules of the Senate.

 

[Denny Crane]

One whole senator said that once, 8 whole years ago? I guess that establishes it as one of the 200-year-old Rules of the Senate.

What was good for W is good for O. So says the Democrat who was chairman of the judiciary committee when Democrats ran the senate at the time.

In typical hypocrite fashion, Leahy is currently calling for the senate to confirm anyone Obama might nominate.

 

[jlprk]

You're always against everything Leahy (Vermont senator) says or does, and now suddenly you quote him as your authority. So you'll be voting for any Vermont senator this Fall?

 

[jlprk]

Ah yes, Thurmond, the racist who Republicans gave the right of approval over every appointee whom Clinton nominated. While the media raked Clinton for his supposed affairs, they hid Thurmond's black love child.

Ah yes, Fortas, the liberal who Republicans stalled on Lyndon Johnson naming as Chief Justice until Nixon was inaugurated and successfully blackmailed to quit the Supreme Court, using the same techniques Nixon used with the Watergate burglars Nixon employed. Nixon then nominated the right-wing Warren Burger as Chief Justice.

After Nixon secretly blackmailed Fortas to quit, Nixon nominated the unqualified Haynsworth (secretly knowing he was gay and could be blackmailed). Perplexed (there were many articles questioning why for months), Congress said, this guy is unqualified, and voted it down after a big well-publicized fight. Nixon then nominated Carswell (secretly knowing he was gay and could be blackmailed). Perplexed, Congress said, this guy is unqualified, and voted it down after a big well-publicized fight. Surrendering, Nixon nominated Blackmun, who was qualified. Reading the trivia news many years later, I noticed that Carswell and Haynsworth were later busted in toilet stalls. The media still hasn't made the connection to Nixon's seemingly perplexing motive. You're hearing it here first.

 

[Denny Crane]

You're always against everything Leahy (Vermont senator) says or does, and now suddenly you quote him as your authority. So you'll be voting for any Vermont senator this Fall?

I'm against him being a hypocrite.

Anyhow, the risk for republicans is that they lose the presidential election and the senate. Then the democratic president can get pretty much anyone he/she wants through.

The risk for democrats is that they lose the presidential election and don't take the senate. The republican president will nominate as young and as right wing a justice as they can find. Then sometime before this president's second term, the 90+ year old Ginsburg retires and the republican gets to nominate and pass a second young right wing justice.

If the democrat wins the presidential election and the republicans retain the senate, no liberal will be approved.

That's how I see it.

 

[Denny Crane]

After Nixon secretly blackmailed Fortas to quit, Nixon nominated the unqualified Haynsworth (secretly knowing he was gay and could be blackmailed). Perplexed (there were many articles questioning why for months), Congress said, this guy is unqualified, and voted it down after a big well-publicized fight. Nixon then nominated Carswell (secretly knowing he was gay and could be blackmailed). Perplexed, Congress said, this guy is unqualified, and voted it down after a big well-publicized fight. Surrendering, Nixon nominated Blackmun, who was qualified. Reading the trivia news many years later, I noticed that Carswell and Haynsworth were later busted in toilet stalls. The media still hasn't made the connection to Nixon's seemingly perplexing motive. You're hearing it here first.

Do you have a source for these oddball conspiracy theories?

 

[jlprk]

Do you have a source for these oddball conspiracy theories?

After a quick search, I found gay stuff for Carswell, but not Haynsworth. Both were segregationists. Haynsworth had a couple of questionable blackmailable financial dealings I found. Even Republicans say that Nixon was the most crooked president ever.

In 1976, he was convicted of a battery charge and fined $100 for making homosexual advances to an undercover Tallahassee police officer in a men's room at a shopping mall.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-08-01/news/mn-4281_1_g-harrold-carswell

In 1976, Carswell was convicted of battery for advances he made to an undercover police officer in a Tallahassee men's room.[17] In September 1979, Carswell was attacked and beaten by a man whom he had invited to his Atlanta, Georgia, hotel room in similar circumstances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Harrold_Carswell#Later_years

Even the sources I found have not connected this to the mystery of why Nixon nominated Carswell. It was considered a big mystery at the time, like the later, why is Bush starting this Iraq War? Why does the Bush family hate Saddam so much?

 

[riverman]

After a quick search, I found gay stuff for Carswell, but not Haynsworth. Both were segregationists. Haynsworth had a couple of questionable blackmailable financial dealings I found. Even Republicans say that Nixon was the most crooked president ever.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-08-01/news/mn-4281_1_g-harrold-carswell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Harrold_Carswell#Later_years

Even the sources I found have not connected this to the mystery of why Nixon nominated Carswell. It was considered a big mystery at the time, like the later, why is Bush starting this Iraq War? Why does the Bush family hate Saddam so much?

Didn't Tricky Dick fail with 2 nominations for the court and only get his 3rd nomination through the Senate? Seems like the seat was empty for a couple of years of rejected candidates

 

[riverman]

I hope Obama nominates a gay replacement...that would shake up the court

 

[jlprk]

Didn't Tricky Dick fail with 2 nominations for the court and only get his 3rd nomination through the Senate? Seems like the seat was empty for a couple of years of rejected candidates

Yes, they were 2 famous issues of his presidency. Everyone thought Nixon must be stupid to nominate such unqualified nominees. We Democrats laughed at him, but I later figured out that he had his devious reasons.

 

[Denny Crane]

Fortas resigned rather than accept removal by impeachment. The congress was Democratic Party controlled as was the presidency in LBJ.

LBJ personally stood on the grassy knoll and pulled the trigger to kill JFK. He lied us into a war 10x or more the size of Iraq. But he wasn't corrupt. LOL.

 

[barfo]

In the last year of George W. Bush's second term Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy stated the rule as meaning "judicial nominations do not advance in the Senate in the latter part of a presidential election year without the support of Senate leaders and top lawmakers on the Judiciary committee."

February is not the latter part of the election year.

barfo

 

[riverman]

February is not the latter part of the election year.

barfo

I don't think the president and congress are on speaking terms anymore

 

[barfo]

Do you have a source for these oddball conspiracy theories?

Running low on conspiracy theories, are you?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

February is not the latter part of the election year.

barfo

3 legged cat meets sandbox.

 

[barfo]

3 legged cat meets sandbox.

It's not spin, it's a fact. There is no possible interpretation where February is the latter part of the election year.

Unless you don't understand the meaning of latter, of course.

barfo

 

[jlprk]

Fortas resigned rather than accept removal by impeachment. The congress was Democratic Party controlled as was the presidency in LBJ. LBJ personally stood on the grassy knoll and pulled the trigger to kill JFK. He lied us into a war 10x or more the size of Iraq. But he wasn't corrupt. LOL.

And my reaction is.

Do you have a source for these oddball conspiracy theories?

Go spend many minutes in a search like I did. You talk like Trump. You need more discipline in your communication style. Copying and pasting long articles doesn't cut it. (Catch the pun?)

 

[Denny Crane]

It's not spin, it's a fact. There is no possible interpretation where February is the latter part of the election year.

Unless you don't understand the meaning of latter, of course.

barfo

Depends on what the meaning of "is" is. I see.

There is no possible interpretation other than Obama isn't getting a nominee approved.

 

[jlprk]

Bernie will choose someone to the left of Obama's nominee. You know, I almost feel sorry for Republicans...

 

[Denny Crane]

Bernie will choose someone to the left of Obama's nominee. You know, I almost feel sorry for Republicans...

Don't you have some figuring to do?

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Bernie will choose someone to the left of Obama's nominee. You know, I almost feel sorry for Republicans...

Actually, I was thinking Hillary will nominate a transgender individual of color. That would certainly tie up congress for her entire 8 year tenure and make the Republicans even more ineffective than usual....