Justin Morneau edges Derek Jeter for AL MVP

[Jon_Vilma]

I don't like this at all. I'd have rather have had David Ortiz win, because the MVP should be a player that can carry his team on his back. Like David Ortiz did for a while, like Jeter did for most of the year, etc. Justin Morneau is good, but he's not "Carry a team on my back" good.The Votes

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Nov 21 2006, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't like this at all. I'd have rather have had David Ortiz win, because the MVP should be a player that can carry his team on his back. Like David Ortiz did for a while, like Jeter did for most of the year, etc. Justin Morneau is good, but he's not "Carry a team on my back" good.</div>I have to agree that Morneau probably shouldn't have won the MVP. I liked somebody from the Twins, but his name was Johan Santana who just had an ungodly year.Whatever, congrats to Morneau.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Nov 21 2006, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Nov 21 2006, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't like this at all. I'd have rather have had David Ortiz win, because the MVP should be a player that can carry his team on his back. Like David Ortiz did for a while, like Jeter did for most of the year, etc. Justin Morneau is good, but he's not "Carry a team on my back" good.</div>I have to agree that Morneau probably shouldn't have won the MVP. I liked somebody from the Twins, but his name was Johan Santana who just had an ungodly year.Whatever, congrats to Morneau.</div>If it were someone from the Twins, yes, Santana. Why? Because when the chips were down Santana carried the team on his back.

 

[TCOF]

Morneau got it from being great in late August through the end of the season.What a bunch of crap.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NEW YORK (AP) -- Minnesota's Justin Morneau edged the New York Yankees' Derek Jeter to win the American League's Most Valuable Player Award on Tuesday.Morneau received 15 first-place votes, eight seconds, three thirds and two fourths for 320 points in voting by a panel of the Baseball Writers' Association of America. Jeter got 12 firsts, 14 seconds, one fourth and one sixth for 306 points.Boston's David Ortiz was third with 193 points, followed by Oakland's Frank Thomas (174), Chicago's Jermaine Dye (156), Minnesota's Joe Mauer (116) and Twins pitcher Johan Santana (114), who received the other first-place vote.Morneau hit .321 with 34 homers and 130 RBIs, helping the Twins win the AL Central for the fourth time in five years. Jeter batted .344 with 14 homers and 97 RBIs, finishing three points behind Mauer, who became the first catcher to win an AL batting title.</div>

 

[Brooksie5]

You guys can cry all you want, but without Morneau.. the Twins wouldn't have won 70 games. But go ahead.. go whine at MLB for picking someone who deserved it.

 

[GotSkillz92]

They really screwed Jeter. Morneau wasnt even the mvp of his own team. Im a Mets fan and Im even saying its a robbery.

 

[iknobaer]

Yeah, what the hell are you guys talking about? Sure, Santana helps the hell out of it for the Twins, and without Santana, you are right, they don't make it to the playoffs. But you know what, if they had Santana and not Morneau, this team would've finished in third place in that division. This guy carried the team on his back the WHOLE year, none of this gay August crap, don't even give me that, you dont hit 30hrs in August...Without Derek Jeter, Yankees still get to playoffs, no problem, heck, without half that lineup the Yankees still get to the playoffs. Stop crying about it you "want everything" Yankee fans. You hate Alex Rodriguez because he hit .290, send him over here, I will gladly take his 30+hrs and 120+rbis per year.

 

[DevinHester23]

I'm glad Jeter didn't win it. Stop hating and give Morneau his props

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Nov 21 2006, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They really screwed Jeter. Morneau wasnt even the mvp of his own team. Im a Mets fan and Im even saying its a robbery.</div>As much as many people have a "New York bias" there are FAR more who have an Anti-New York bias. Truth is the A-Rod win last year was questionable to a LOT of writers, and this is their form of payback.

 

[Sunset]

Sorry Yanks fans. But Michal Cuddyer beat out Jeter in every stat but batting average. Congrats Justin.

 

[Nebkreb]

eh w/e, i was hoping JEter would win it, but congrats to Morneau, i like 1st basemen since i am one

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaroonNGold @ Nov 23 2006, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Yanks fans. But Michal Cuddyer beat out Jeter in every stat but batting average. Congrats Justin.</div>So... carrying your team to success counts for nothing now?

 

[Brooksie5]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Nov 24 2006, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaroonNGold @ Nov 23 2006, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Yanks fans. But Michal Cuddyer beat out Jeter in every stat but batting average. Congrats Justin.</div>So... carrying your team to success counts for nothing now?</div>Not to you. Morneau carried the Twins... Jeter helped the Yankees greatly, but they would've made the playoffs without him.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Nov 24 2006, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Nov 24 2006, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaroonNGold @ Nov 23 2006, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Yanks fans. But Michal Cuddyer beat out Jeter in every stat but batting average. Congrats Justin.</div>So... carrying your team to success counts for nothing now?</div>Not to you. Morneau carried the Twins... Jeter helped the Yankees greatly, but they would've made the playoffs without him.</div>No the Yankees wouldn't have.And Johan Santana carried the Twins.

 

[GotSkillz92]

Liriano boosted the twins and then Santana carried them the rest of the way.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Nov 24 2006, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Liriano boosted the twins and then Santana carried them the rest of the way.</div>I don't remember it exactly numbers wise, but I remember Dan Patrick talking about how the Twins were essentially a .500 team when Santana wasn't pitching (After the All Star break they were something like 3 games over .500 without Santana). So pitching aside, that offense regardless of stats didn't carry the team, Santana did.

 

[Brooksie5]

Don't care what you all say, you don't watch the Twins every day they're on (and I don't the Yankees, so maybe I don't know about Jeter), but Morneau carried the team. Johan was a big help.. every 5 games.. but Morneau carried us every day.

 

[Sunset]

Yes. I don't watch the Yanks but Morneau defiantly did spark us. Look at last season. We had Morneau, we had Mauer, we had Cuddy and yet we sucked. Also Justin Morneau sucked. This year Morneau didn't and look at the Twins.

 

[iknobaer]

Jon Vilma, how can you type on your computer that if the Yankees didn't have Derek Jeter, let's say you replace him with a below average shortstop, the Yankees wouldnt make the playoffs? They had freakin Robinson Cano batting last. A lack of a couple of "amazing" defensive plays and one bad offensive player doesnt exclude your team from the playoffs. You guys easily would have made it.Put in a below average 1B on the Twins for Morneau. No chance in hell they make the playoffs in that division.You can argue all you want Santana carried the Twins. Every 5 games, yeah, the Twins were the best team in baseball. But what happened in the other days? Justin Morneau, that's what happened

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Nov 25 2006, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jon Vilma, how can you type on your computer that if the Yankees didn't have Derek Jeter, let's say you replace him with a below average shortstop, the Yankees wouldnt make the playoffs? They had freakin Robinson Cano batting last. A lack of a couple of "amazing" defensive plays and one bad offensive player doesnt exclude your team from the playoffs. You guys easily would have made it.Put in a below average 1B on the Twins for Morneau. No chance in hell they make the playoffs in that division.You can argue all you want Santana carried the Twins. Every 5 games, yeah, the Twins were the best team in baseball. But what happened in the other days? Justin Morneau, that's what happened</div>What happened in the other days? They were a .500 team essentially. That's what happens with the Amazing Morneau.

 

[iknobaer]

dude, take morneau out of the twins offensethat team would win 70 games tops, even if santana went 34-0take jeter out of the yankees lineup, they still win 90+ games

 

[GotSkillz92]

Don't the Twins still have Tori Hunter and Joe Mauer both who had really good seasons. Mauer won the batting title and Hunter came back on a hot streak from the injury.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Nov 26 2006, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dude, take morneau out of the twins offensethat team would win 70 games tops, even if santana went 34-0take jeter out of the yankees lineup, they still win 90+ games</div>I know I'm a Yankee fan, but I haven't even been arguing for Jeter, you know? That's not my motivation here. Yeah he got screwed because he is a Yankee, but that's not even what I've been talking about. There were many players besides the one who won who carried their teams more....And without Jeter the Yankees wouldn't have won 90+, without him, the AL East would have been a 3 way battle at the finish.... sound familiar?

 

[DevinHester23]

^The Boston Massacre would still occur w/o Jeter, and that's what lead the Yankees to the division

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Nov 26 2006, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^The Boston Massacre would still occur w/o Jeter, and that's what lead the Yankees to the division</div>I'm not saying the Yankees wouldn't have won it without Jeter, but it would have been a 3 way race at the end. And you can't deny that teams are motivated more when they are in a race for the division crown (So it would have been tougher to beat Toronto and Boston to it.Without Johan the Twins would have been out of contention in the end, and not even in the playoffs. They were an average team without him. Yes Morneau's bat helped, but so did Mauer's, Hunter's, Cuddyer's, and Castillo's. All of them having a career year and the Twins were still an average team, until Santana carried them to the playoffs.Frank Thomas carried the A's more than Morneau carried the Twins.

 

[iknobaer]

so you think Frank shouldve won MVP?

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Nov 26 2006, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so you think Frank shouldve won MVP?</div>He deserved it more than Morneau did.

 

[Brooksie5]

Lets go back in time...[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='76342' date='Nov 26 2006, 03:10 PM'][quote name='KyleOrton18' post='76340' date='Nov 26 2006, 01:01 PM']^The Boston Massacre would still occur w/o Jeter, and that's what lead the Yankees to the division[/quote]I'm not saying the Yankees wouldn't have won it without Jeter, but it would have been a 3 way race at the end.[/quote][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='76144' date='Nov 24 2006, 04:31 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='76136' date='Nov 24 2006, 01:49 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='76104' date='Nov 24 2006, 04:33 AM'][quote name='MaroonNGold' post='76053' date='Nov 23 2006, 11:50 AM']Sorry Yanks fans. But Michal Cuddyer beat out Jeter in every stat but batting average. Congrats Justin.[/quote]So... carrying your team to success counts for nothing now?[/quote]Not to you. Morneau carried the Twins... Jeter helped the Yankees greatly, but they would've made the playoffs without him.[/quote]No the Yankees wouldn't have.[/quote]Interesting...

 

[DevinHester23]

lol. But the Boston Massacre would still have occured, and that is when the Yankees ran away with it.