JVG said DWade is the top 2 or 3 two guards of all time? You agree with that?

[PapaG]

What do you call the guy who dribbles the ball up court 99% of the time, plays at the top of the key, is the first man back on defense, leads the team in assists year after year?

PG.

When he actually played SF, on Houston, he wasn't really that good.

At least the Blazers figured it out and started him over mighty mouse. At point guard.

Maravich averaged over 5 APG for his career. The only seasons he averaged less than 5 were his last and his first. He shot the ball 28 times a game. It's not surprising he'd have a few turnovers.

I call that guy a point forward, which is what Pippen was. Plus, Maravich averaging 25 ppg on 28 shots/game isn't impressive to me. He's not better than Wade as a pro, and that's as close as opinion can get to being a fact.

 

[Denny Crane]

Point Guard on offense / Forward on defense. Point / Forward.

I only watched him play hundreds of games.

 

[jlprk]

Oscar and Pete were PGs their entire careers. Jerry was for at least the last half of his.

Going by this thread, the year Wilt led the league in assists, he was whatever Pippen was.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Basketball Reference has him as a G/F

And they are wrong and contradict themselves. They list him as a PG next to every season he played in the NBA. Nowhere else do they list him as a forward.

Every 'greatest PG' list has Robertson on it. I can't find a list that has him as a SG, and I can find a few that have him as a SF.

Bullshit! Please provide a link to any credible source that lists Oscar Robertson as one of the greatest SFs in NBA history.

Fact is, he was a combo guard. He usually started at PG, but often played SG during stretches of most games, depending on who he was paired with in the backcourt. When he was paired with Norm Van Lier in Cincinnati, he played SG to Van Lier's PG. Same for Lucius Allen in Milwaukee. Granted, a lot of the offense still ran through Oscar (just like a lot of the Bulls offense ran through Jordan), Van Lier/Allen brought the ball up the court and guarded the other team's PG.

Oscar Robertson NEVER played any significant minutes at SF at any point in his NBA career. I have no idea where you're getting your information, but that's simply not true. He did play quite a bit of forward in college and a little during the Olympics, but he spent most of his NBA career playing next to Jack Twyman in Cincinnati and Bobby Dandridge in Milwaukee - two multi-time all-star small forwards.

But, if he was a SG, who am I to argue with you?

Yeah, I'm not sure why you're arguing either. Here's what I wrote:

I know Oscar Robertson was considered a PG, but he played the exact same role on his teams as Wade did (at least until LeBron arrived). Roberston and Wade are also the same size. The difference is Roberston did it far, far better.

If we include the Big O, I'd rank them:

Jordan
Kobe
Oscar

Notice, I did not call Robertson a SG (he was a combo guard whose primary position was PG). I simply said, he played the same role on his team as Wade did pre-LeBron - remember, Wade was also considered a PG early in his career. And if we include Oscar Robertson, he would rank ahead of Wade. Which you just said you agree with. So, what are you arguing about here?

BNM

 

[PapaG]

And they are wrong and contradict themselves. They list him as a PG next to every season he played in the NBA. Nowhere else do they list him as a forward.



Bullshit! Please provide a link to any credible source that lists Oscar Robertson as one of the greatest SFs in NBA history.

Fact is, he was a combo guard. He usually started at PG, but often played SG during stretches of most games, depending on who he was paired with in the backcourt. When he was paired with Norm Van Lier in Cincinnati, he played SG to Van Lier's PG. Same for Lucius Allen in Milwaukee. Granted, a lot of the offense still ran through Oscar (just like a lot of the Bulls offense ran through Jordan), Van Lier/Allen brought the ball up the court and guarded the other team's PG.

Oscar Robertson NEVER played any significant minutes at SF at any point in his NBA career. I have no idea where you're getting your information, but that's simply not true. He did play quite a bit of forward in college and a little during the Olympics, but he spent most of his NBA career playing next to Jack Twyman in Cincinnati and Bobby Dandridge in Milwaukee - two multi-time all-star small forwards.



Yeah, I'm not sure why you're arguing either. Here's what I wrote:



Notice, I did not call Robertson a SG (he was a combo guard whose primary position was PG). I simply said, he played the same role on his team as Wade did pre-LeBron - remember, Wade was also considered a PG early in his career. And if we include Oscar Robertson, he would rank ahead of Wade. Which you just said you agree with. So, what are you arguing about here?

BNM

You're insufferable. I already said Robertson is a better overall player than Wade. What I disagree with is you calling him a 2-guard. Please find me a consensus list that has Robertson as a 2- guard. If your issue is with Van Gundy, whose brother coached Wade, calling Wade a SG, then debate that point.

 

[jlprk]

I will let you 2 dinosaurs destroy each other, then I, the first mammal, a small furry ratlike creature, will take over the world.

 

[jlprk]

You guys left out Otis Birdsong, 6-5 and could really shoot it, and Jerryd Bayless, who like Wade couldn't shoot so he drove to the basket to get fouled. Don't forget Dennis Scott, the 6-6 SG who was in the Finals.

 

[jlprk]

Buy a vowel and you could select Devin Ebanks.

 

[MARIS61]

Not even top 20 all-time.

The NBA has seen some marvelously talented guards.

 

[PapaG]

Wade moves up to the 3rd-best "SG" of all-time, IMO.

3 rings, and two without a center playing for his team.

 

[huevonkiller]

Wade is probably better than Kobe, prime-wise. Kobe has a longer career though.