K-Mart To The ASG?

[InNETSweTrust]

Kenyon Martin to the All-Star Game. Bring on the haters!

How much does it take to be in the ASG? Surely, popularity plays a great part. Is Kenyon popular? He's number 16 in the top 20 selling jerseys in the NBA since the start of the 2002-03 NBA regular season. He's always been one of the most popular players in the league ever since he first came in as the number 1 pick. He's always been known as a tough and tenacious NBA player. Someone who never backs down from a challenge.

Will it be based on averages? K-Mart is averaging 18.2 ppg, 9.50 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.6 bpg and 1.31 spg. All- Star numbers? This is up for debate. But then again, only Jermaine O'Neal and Shareef Abdur-Rahim has better averages as a WHOLE. They is averaging a FEW more points and a FEW more rebounds. But still, there is the permanent fixture in the ASG, Vince Carter. He'll be there regardless if he's playing or not.

My prediction. He'll be playing in the ASG but not as a starter. Some of you may say that he's not worth it but when it comes to entertainment, popularity and skills, he is clearly All-Star material.

 

[cross yo ova]

I am a hater of Kmart and i better not see him in this years ASG.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Some of you may say that he's not worth it but when it comes to entertainment, popularity and skills, he is clearly All-Star material.
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He does not have 'skills' at any level,hes the kinda player who could go 3 for 17 from the field ,he may average around 18 but he cant shoot.

 

[mike18946]

I agree with you Trust.K-mart will make the all-star game but only as a reserve.He is the player you need in an all-star game.Having improved stats helps as well of course.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He does not have 'skills' at any level,hes the kinda player who could go 3 for 17 from the field ,he may average around 18 but he cant shoot.</div>

From the games I have seen your statement is not true.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

hahaha. I knew you'll be here.

So who would you rather have in his place? Have you seen the list of the East's forwards?

It seems that his performance during the last games of last year's Finals forever marked him. He may be a terrible shooter from afar (but he's improving) that's why he choose to just shoot the shot with the higher percentage. Of course if he's open, he'll take the J.

He's also leading the East forwards in steal. How's that for versatility?

I've already pointed out the better scorers. But tell me, would you rather have Shareef in there?

If he's in the West, he won't make it. But he's in the East. This guy is a born entertainer. If you don't think he has skills, I'd like to know why. He's one of the most well-rounded forwards this year with a clear match of offensive and defensive skills.

 

[cross yo ova]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So who would you rather have in his place? </div>

Anyone.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">From the games I have seen your statement is not true.</div>

Allnet-Netswetrust just pointed out a game,did you watch the finals?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It seems that his performance during the last games of last year's Finals forever marked him</div>



Hes an entertainer because hes a dunker ,thats all..Take away his Athletic ability and what do you have?
Lets just see how he will play without Kidd if Kidd goes.

 

[mike18946]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone.</div>

The fact you can't even name someone else better proved you are getting

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Allnet-Netswetrust just pointed out a game,did you watch the finals?</div>

Since when was the finals part of the 2003/2004 season? please answer me that.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cross yo ova:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone.</div>

Man, you really are a hater. But please do tell us who'd be better than him in the ASG East team.



<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cross yo ova:</div><div class="quote_post">Allnet-Netswetrust just pointed out a game,did you watch the finals</div>

That was a couple of games. Did you even see the series before that? The Boston series where he owned an All-Star (Toine)? The Detroit series? No? It seems like it. Plus see Allnet's comment above.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cross yo ova:</div><div class="quote_post">Hes an entertainer because hes a dunker ,thats all..Take away his Athletic ability and do you have?
Lets just see how he will play without Kidd if Kidd goes.</div>

Aside from dunking he can also defend. Plus, those dunks didn't come easy. As I always point out, it takes certain amount of skill to get free from your defender and perfectly time your jump to receive a Kidd pass. Karl used to receive great passes from Stockton. Does that take away his greatness? I know Karl is way better but I hope you get my idea. Don't take away the credit from the one being passed to. It takes two to get an assist because if he doesn't make the shot, it wouldn't be an assist. Plus, have you seen his dunks? It's not for entertainment purposes only. He uses it to slam the ball after an offensive rebound.

 

[ardg7770]

on K-Mart...

as of tday, i agree with TRUST that Martin will be in the ASG but not as a starter. But I guess if the Nets starts winning BIG TIME before the All-Star break, then i guess K-Mart will still have a chance as a starter for the East.

 

[starman85]

K Mart won't have a chance as a starter. I think Vince will be one of the forwards, and the other will probably be O'Neal, unless he's their center, but B. Wallace will probably be that. Just being realistic, he won't start. But he should be at the game, no doubt. He has really stepped up his game and is the Nets #2 guy after JKidd.

About Reef, I think he should be at the game too, and I think he's better than Kenyon, but since his team sucks he most likely will get snubbed again.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

^ I agree that Shareef is SLIGHTLY better than K-Mart. This is because he's been in the league longer. But let's be realistic here. K-Mart will be chosen (not as a starter) as an All-Star instead of Reef.

 

[starman85]

I already agreed with you on that one. And KMart does deserve his spot. I would be pissed if Jefferson got in over KMart though. I'm not hating on Jefferson, but he's not as valuable(or as good) as KMart, as some people seem to think.

 

[Kid Canada]

K-Mart has the skills to be an allstar im not sure if he will be one tho. He has had two great games against the Raptors with year. He has a good postup game and a good faceup game.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

^ I agree again. I'm a big fan of R-Jeff but he still doesn't deserve to get in over K-Mart.

K-Mart will do anything to prove the world that he's an All-Star. He'll jump in at any chance to show the world what he can do. Remember when he re-scheduled his honeymoon to join the US team? What's my point? I expect him to improve each and every game until the ASG because I know he's feeling that this is his best chance to play in the ASG.

 

[nkwu]

Cross has been OD'ing on the haterade!

Anywayz..on personal preference i dont want K-Mart as an All star. Butr in all reaility He will probably make it.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

I'm curious. What's not to like about K-Mart?

 

[starman85]

I think its his attitude that he's better than he really is. I know he plays hard, and I don't think its a good reason to hate him for the flagrants of a couple years back(I think Karl deserved the one he got with all the bows he throws). I respect KMart for playing hard. But he wants a max contract, which is the reason the NBA gets hated on for the money issues. KMart is NOT A MAX PLAYER. Not that many players are, and him thinking that he is hurts his team's chances for the future and continues the inflation of pay scales. Averaging 18 and 8 isn't good enough for max pay, simple as that. Maybe 20 and 10 would get him consideration, but he's pushing it, even with the career numbers he's putting up.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

Just in case, the discussion on K-Mart's demand for a max contract is being discussed here:

http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread...5533#post135533

I asked why people hate him because there are some people who can't accept the fact that he can make it this year to the ASG. cross yo ova would rather have anyone expect him. As a potential All-Star, what's to hate about him?

 

[mike18946]

The sad thing is Crossover didn't post any valid points on why K-mart shouldn't make it.When you are going to disagree with someone's opinion at least try and post why you think it is wrong.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

^ He just hates him that's why.

 

[cross yo ova]

Damn it i had 2 posts on the way and my com froze on both occaisions.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting allnet:</div><div class="quote_post">The fact you can't even name someone else better proved you are getting

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First off you can put that

back in your suitcase.
When i say anyone i mean anyone else but him.And i cant name someone better psssssssttttt jeeeezzz... how about me ...j/k...Jermaine is better ....


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Since when was the finals part of the 2003/2004 season? please answer me that.</div>

All i said was that he is the kinda player who could go 3 for 17 from the field,you said from the games you seen thats not true..so i mentioned the finals...

...03/04 wasnt in the equation even that is what matters in terms of making the ASG.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Aside from dunking he can also defend</div>

Defence wont get you into the ASG ,you wont see Bowen and Doug in an allstar game[unless your Big Ben]...

 

[mike18946]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">First off you can put that back in your suitcase.
When i say anyone i mean anyone else but him.And i cant name someone better psssssssttttt jeeeezzz... how about me ...j/k...Jermaine is better ....</div>

Very hard to understand what the hell you just posted.Jermaine O'Neal will be a starter.That wasn't in disussion.Trust and I both said K-mart would likely be a reserve not a starter.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">All i said was that he is the kinda player who could go 3 for 17 from the field,you said from the games you seen thats not true..so i mentioned the finals... ...03/04 wasnt in the equation even that is what matters in terms of making the ASG.</div>

The games I have seen meaning this season.Not too hard to understand.What he is doing now is what matters not when it put up last season.He has improved his game since then.If I was talking about last season I would of said so.Why exactly have you put the "owned" image in your quote above? you have not "owned" anyone here.Likely never will.

 

[cross yo ova]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting allnet:</div><div class="quote_post">The fact you can't even name someone else better proved you are getting

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Ahh c'mon stop twisting things,you wanted someone better so i said ,Jermaine.

You seem to like players who are less talented,not much skill and offense like Big Ben and Kmart

 

[mike18946]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cross yo ova:</div><div class="quote_post">Ahh c'mon stop twisting things,you wanted someone better so i said ,Jermaine.

You seem to like players who are less talented,not much skill and offense like Big Ben and Kmart</div>

No,Trust asked you to name a player better to make the all-star team.We already know who the starters as forward will be.Since when does Wallace have not much skill? It takes alot of skill to defend,rebound and block shots the way he does.K-mart has skill and plenty of it.You have yet to name east forwards who deserve to make the team ahead of Martin. Jermaine doesn't count as he will be a starter.Just give it up before you embarrass yourself even more.

If Martin keeps up his numbers he has now..He will make the team.If it dips alot then he might miss out.However I don't see that happening.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

^ Now that's what I call owned!

What we're asking from you is who'd you prefer to be in the ASG instead of K-Mart. Since you said "anyone but him". Just in case you miss this again, K-Mart will not be a starter! It would be better if you'll post something to back it up or we'll see it as just plain hating on K-Mart.

When I pointed out that K-Mart has defense to brag about, I was trying to make a point when you said that he doesn't have skills. That all he can do is dunk.

Just in case you don't have anyone in mind (which seems to be the case), here is the list of the most impressive Forwards in the East:

http://www.nba.com/features/ballot_breakdo...t_forwards.html


BTW, when you state a player, take every basis of being in the ASG into consideration.

 

[Observer]

I am a Nets fan and I think KMart deserves to go to the All-Star Game. I think O'Neal and Carter will be the starters, and the only other legitimate candidates are Abdur-Rahim and Ron Artest.

Abdur-Rahim is a good player on a bad team. He doesn't play defense or do the things needed to help his team win. And his numbers are only a little better than Kenyon's, who has much better intangibles.

Artest is a media darling. His plays defense very well, but so does Kenyon. His other numbers are inferior to Kenyon's.

Four or five forwards may make the team. Here's my ordering:

1. O'Neal
2. Carter
3. Martin
4. Artest
5. Abdur-Rahim

 

[Henacy]

I dont think Rahim going. I think they are going to take 4 forwards and 2 natural point guards(last season they only took 1, Kidd)but baron Davis is playing so well. The East will have to take 2 point guards

 

[InNETSweTrust]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Observer:</div><div class="quote_post">I am a Nets fan and I think KMart deserves to go to the All-Star Game. I think O'Neal and Carter will be the starters, and the only other legitimate candidates are Abdur-Rahim and Ron Artest.

Abdur-Rahim is a good player on a bad team. He doesn't play defense or do the things needed to help his team win. And his numbers are only a little better than Kenyon's, who has much better intangibles.

Artest is a media darling. His plays defense very well, but so does Kenyon. His other numbers are inferior to Kenyon's.

Four or five forwards may make the team. Here's my ordering:

1. O'Neal
2. Carter
3. Martin
4. Artest
5. Abdur-Rahim</div>

^ These are the top 5. But Carter will get more votes definitely.

 

[cross yo ova]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting starman85:</div><div class="quote_post">I think its his attitude that he's better than he really is. </div>

I think starman85 expressed the way in which it is possible to hate him.AlL his big headed-ness and moaning last year that i should of been in the ASG :what a twat.

I would prefere Ron Artest in the ASG rather than Kmart.No need for 'valid points',I Would just rather Ron in the ASG and not Ken-yawn Martin.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

^ If you're not going to state valid points, then your statement is invalid.

 

[cross yo ova]

Well i could go down that road stating his stats and all that ,but i just dont want Kmart in the ASG.Full stop.