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I don’t know......that “lady” seems less of a Karen and more of a Debbie Douchebag. But that could just be my opinion....
 
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San Francisco 'Karen' calls the cops on a man who wrote Black Lives Matter on his own property - after she refuses to believe the house belongs to him
  • A white woman who called the cops on a man who chalked Black Lives Matter on his own property was identified as Lisa Alexander, owner of LA Face
  • She was branded a 'Karen' Friday for accusing the man of committing an illegal act by writing on the wall of his San Francisco home
  • Alexander is heard telling the man that he has defaced private property
  • She claimed that she knows the person who lives there
  • The man, identified as Jaime Toons, shared to Twitter that the cops arrived but didn't even get out of the car
A white make up designer who called the police on a man for writing Black Lives Matter on a wall in front of his own house is facing backlash from businesses who partner with her brand.

Lisa Alexander, who owns LA Face Skincare, was dubbed a 'Karen' after a video circulated Friday showing her accusing a man of illegal action for chalking the phrase onto a wall on his San Francisco property.

The man, identified as Jaime Toons, said Alexander lied and said she knew who lived in his home.

Alexander has since deleted all her social media accounts and websites and at least one beauty business has cut all ties with her company.

Toons posted the video of his run-in with Alexander to Twitter explaining: 'A white couple call the police on me, a person of color, for stenciling a #BLM chalk message on my own front retaining wall.

'"Karen" lies and says she knows that I don't live in my own house because she knows the person who lives there,' he adds.

The video starts with Alexander asking, 'Is this your property?' as a white man with her named Robert stands apart and also films the interaction.

'I'm asking you if this is your property?' she says again.

'Why are you asking that?' Toons responds.

'Because this is private property, sir,' the man with Alexander responds. 'So, are you defacing private property or is this your home? You're free to express your opinions but not on people's property.'

Alexander continues to stand in front of Toons and says, 'It's just respect'.

'Your sign is good. This is just not the way to do it,' she adds, referring to the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests.

As the couple don't appear to believe that Toons could live in the home, he asks, 'If I did live here and this was my property this would be absolutely fine? And you don't know if I do live here ...'

Alexander interrupts to say 'we actually do' know the people that live there.

'That's why we're asking. We know the person who does live here,' she states. 'I'm not disagreeing.'

Toons then suggests that Alexander calls the person who she believes lives there or to contact the police instead.

'Your options are to call the police if you believe I'm committing a crime,' he says.

'I'll be more than happy to talk to them.'

The pair continue to argue over who is in the wrong and exchange first names before Alexander walks away and Toons tells her he'd wait there until the cops arrived.

'And that people is why Black Lives Matter,' he says, showing his chalked front wall as the couple leaves and Alexander can be seen on her phone.

'That's Karen and shes calling the cops and this is gong to be really funny because she knows the people who live here "personally".'

Toons later added on Twitter that the cops did arrive after Alexander called them but left 'without even getting outta the car'.

'Don't be mad that a POC outsmarted TWO WHITE PEOPLE,' he wrote.

'The discussion went exactly as I thought it would.

'Why do you think I started recording? So, I could record a pleasant conversation with a racist who wouldn't believe I lived in a big old house?'

Alexander has been harshly condemned for her actions but is yet to make a comment on the video.

She was identified online by the anonymous beauty collective and Instagram account Estee Laundry.

And beauty brand Birchbox has already said it has severed all ties with the LA Face brand.

'We have not worked with LAFACE for several years & as a result of the CEO's actions today have officially cut ties with them,' it said in a statement, according to Metro.

'We've removed their products from our website & will not be working with them in the future.'

Alexander is just the latest in long string of 'Karens' to be identified and widely shared on social media this week.

The name 'Karen' has been used to describe entitled middle-aged white women.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ps-man-wrote-Black-Lives-Matter-property.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
San Francisco 'Karen' calls the cops on a man who wrote Black Lives Matter on his own property - after she refuses to believe the house belongs to him
  • A white woman who called the cops on a man who chalked Black Lives Matter on his own property was identified as Lisa Alexander, owner of LA Face
  • She was branded a 'Karen' Friday for accusing the man of committing an illegal act by writing on the wall of his San Francisco home
  • Alexander is heard telling the man that he has defaced private property
  • She claimed that she knows the person who lives there
  • The man, identified as Jaime Toons, shared to Twitter that the cops arrived but didn't even get out of the car
A white make up designer who called the police on a man for writing Black Lives Matter on a wall in front of his own house is facing backlash from businesses who partner with her brand.

Lisa Alexander, who owns LA Face Skincare, was dubbed a 'Karen' after a video circulated Friday showing her accusing a man of illegal action for chalking the phrase onto a wall on his San Francisco property.

The man, identified as Jaime Toons, said Alexander lied and said she knew who lived in his home.

Alexander has since deleted all her social media accounts and websites and at least one beauty business has cut all ties with her company.

Toons posted the video of his run-in with Alexander to Twitter explaining: 'A white couple call the police on me, a person of color, for stenciling a #BLM chalk message on my own front retaining wall.

'"Karen" lies and says she knows that I don't live in my own house because she knows the person who lives there,' he adds.

The video starts with Alexander asking, 'Is this your property?' as a white man with her named Robert stands apart and also films the interaction.

'I'm asking you if this is your property?' she says again.

'Why are you asking that?' Toons responds.

'Because this is private property, sir,' the man with Alexander responds. 'So, are you defacing private property or is this your home? You're free to express your opinions but not on people's property.'

Alexander continues to stand in front of Toons and says, 'It's just respect'.

'Your sign is good. This is just not the way to do it,' she adds, referring to the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests.

As the couple don't appear to believe that Toons could live in the home, he asks, 'If I did live here and this was my property this would be absolutely fine? And you don't know if I do live here ...'

Alexander interrupts to say 'we actually do' know the people that live there.

'That's why we're asking. We know the person who does live here,' she states. 'I'm not disagreeing.'

Toons then suggests that Alexander calls the person who she believes lives there or to contact the police instead.

'Your options are to call the police if you believe I'm committing a crime,' he says.

'I'll be more than happy to talk to them.'

The pair continue to argue over who is in the wrong and exchange first names before Alexander walks away and Toons tells her he'd wait there until the cops arrived.

'And that people is why Black Lives Matter,' he says, showing his chalked front wall as the couple leaves and Alexander can be seen on her phone.

'That's Karen and shes calling the cops and this is gong to be really funny because she knows the people who live here "personally".'

Toons later added on Twitter that the cops did arrive after Alexander called them but left 'without even getting outta the car'.

'Don't be mad that a POC outsmarted TWO WHITE PEOPLE,' he wrote.

'The discussion went exactly as I thought it would.

'Why do you think I started recording? So, I could record a pleasant conversation with a racist who wouldn't believe I lived in a big old house?'

Alexander has been harshly condemned for her actions but is yet to make a comment on the video.

She was identified online by the anonymous beauty collective and Instagram account Estee Laundry.

And beauty brand Birchbox has already said it has severed all ties with the LA Face brand.

'We have not worked with LAFACE for several years & as a result of the CEO's actions today have officially cut ties with them,' it said in a statement, according to Metro.

'We've removed their products from our website & will not be working with them in the future.'

Alexander is just the latest in long string of 'Karens' to be identified and widely shared on social media this week.

The name 'Karen' has been used to describe entitled middle-aged white women.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ps-man-wrote-Black-Lives-Matter-property.html
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SlyPokerDog said:
San Francisco 'Karen' calls the cops on a man who wrote Black Lives Matter on his own property - after she refuses to believe the house belongs to him
  • A white woman who called the cops on a man who chalked Black Lives Matter on his own property was identified as Lisa Alexander, owner of LA Face
  • She was branded a 'Karen' Friday for accusing the man of committing an illegal act by writing on the wall of his San Francisco home
  • Alexander is heard telling the man that he has defaced private property
  • She claimed that she knows the person who lives there
  • The man, identified as Jaime Toons, shared to Twitter that the cops arrived but didn't even get out of the car
A white make up designer who called the police on a man for writing Black Lives Matter on a wall in front of his own house is facing backlash from businesses who partner with her brand.

Lisa Alexander, who owns LA Face Skincare, was dubbed a 'Karen' after a video circulated Friday showing her accusing a man of illegal action for chalking the phrase onto a wall on his San Francisco property.

The man, identified as Jaime Toons, said Alexander lied and said she knew who lived in his home.

Alexander has since deleted all her social media accounts and websites and at least one beauty business has cut all ties with her company.

Toons posted the video of his run-in with Alexander to Twitter explaining: 'A white couple call the police on me, a person of color, for stenciling a #BLM chalk message on my own front retaining wall.

'"Karen" lies and says she knows that I don't live in my own house because she knows the person who lives there,' he adds.

The video starts with Alexander asking, 'Is this your property?' as a white man with her named Robert stands apart and also films the interaction.

'I'm asking you if this is your property?' she says again.

'Why are you asking that?' Toons responds.

'Because this is private property, sir,' the man with Alexander responds. 'So, are you defacing private property or is this your home? You're free to express your opinions but not on people's property.'

Alexander continues to stand in front of Toons and says, 'It's just respect'.

'Your sign is good. This is just not the way to do it,' she adds, referring to the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests.

As the couple don't appear to believe that Toons could live in the home, he asks, 'If I did live here and this was my property this would be absolutely fine? And you don't know if I do live here ...'

Alexander interrupts to say 'we actually do' know the people that live there.

'That's why we're asking. We know the person who does live here,' she states. 'I'm not disagreeing.'

Toons then suggests that Alexander calls the person who she believes lives there or to contact the police instead.

'Your options are to call the police if you believe I'm committing a crime,' he says.

'I'll be more than happy to talk to them.'

The pair continue to argue over who is in the wrong and exchange first names before Alexander walks away and Toons tells her he'd wait there until the cops arrived.

'And that people is why Black Lives Matter,' he says, showing his chalked front wall as the couple leaves and Alexander can be seen on her phone.

'That's Karen and shes calling the cops and this is gong to be really funny because she knows the people who live here "personally".'

Toons later added on Twitter that the cops did arrive after Alexander called them but left 'without even getting outta the car'.

'Don't be mad that a POC outsmarted TWO WHITE PEOPLE,' he wrote.

'The discussion went exactly as I thought it would.

'Why do you think I started recording? So, I could record a pleasant conversation with a racist who wouldn't believe I lived in a big old house?'

Alexander has been harshly condemned for her actions but is yet to make a comment on the video.

She was identified online by the anonymous beauty collective and Instagram account Estee Laundry.

And beauty brand Birchbox has already said it has severed all ties with the LA Face brand.

'We have not worked with LAFACE for several years & as a result of the CEO's actions today have officially cut ties with them,' it said in a statement, according to Metro.

'We've removed their products from our website & will not be working with them in the future.'

Alexander is just the latest in long string of 'Karens' to be identified and widely shared on social media this week.

The name 'Karen' has been used to describe entitled middle-aged white women.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ps-man-wrote-Black-Lives-Matter-property.html
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Don't keep me in suspense, was she a Trump supporter?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
San Francisco 'Karen' calls the cops on a man who wrote Black Lives Matter on his own property - after she refuses to believe the house belongs to him
  • A white woman who called the cops on a man who chalked Black Lives Matter on his own property was identified as Lisa Alexander, owner of LA Face
  • She was branded a 'Karen' Friday for accusing the man of committing an illegal act by writing on the wall of his San Francisco home
  • Alexander is heard telling the man that he has defaced private property
  • She claimed that she knows the person who lives there
  • The man, identified as Jaime Toons, shared to Twitter that the cops arrived but didn't even get out of the car
A white make up designer who called the police on a man for writing Black Lives Matter on a wall in front of his own house is facing backlash from businesses who partner with her brand.

Lisa Alexander, who owns LA Face Skincare, was dubbed a 'Karen' after a video circulated Friday showing her accusing a man of illegal action for chalking the phrase onto a wall on his San Francisco property.

The man, identified as Jaime Toons, said Alexander lied and said she knew who lived in his home.

Alexander has since deleted all her social media accounts and websites and at least one beauty business has cut all ties with her company.

Toons posted the video of his run-in with Alexander to Twitter explaining: 'A white couple call the police on me, a person of color, for stenciling a #BLM chalk message on my own front retaining wall.

'"Karen" lies and says she knows that I don't live in my own house because she knows the person who lives there,' he adds.

The video starts with Alexander asking, 'Is this your property?' as a white man with her named Robert stands apart and also films the interaction.

'I'm asking you if this is your property?' she says again.

'Why are you asking that?' Toons responds.

'Because this is private property, sir,' the man with Alexander responds. 'So, are you defacing private property or is this your home? You're free to express your opinions but not on people's property.'

Alexander continues to stand in front of Toons and says, 'It's just respect'.

'Your sign is good. This is just not the way to do it,' she adds, referring to the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests.

As the couple don't appear to believe that Toons could live in the home, he asks, 'If I did live here and this was my property this would be absolutely fine? And you don't know if I do live here ...'

Alexander interrupts to say 'we actually do' know the people that live there.

'That's why we're asking. We know the person who does live here,' she states. 'I'm not disagreeing.'

Toons then suggests that Alexander calls the person who she believes lives there or to contact the police instead.

'Your options are to call the police if you believe I'm committing a crime,' he says.

'I'll be more than happy to talk to them.'

The pair continue to argue over who is in the wrong and exchange first names before Alexander walks away and Toons tells her he'd wait there until the cops arrived.

'And that people is why Black Lives Matter,' he says, showing his chalked front wall as the couple leaves and Alexander can be seen on her phone.

'That's Karen and shes calling the cops and this is gong to be really funny because she knows the people who live here "personally".'

Toons later added on Twitter that the cops did arrive after Alexander called them but left 'without even getting outta the car'.

'Don't be mad that a POC outsmarted TWO WHITE PEOPLE,' he wrote.

'The discussion went exactly as I thought it would.

'Why do you think I started recording? So, I could record a pleasant conversation with a racist who wouldn't believe I lived in a big old house?'

Alexander has been harshly condemned for her actions but is yet to make a comment on the video.

She was identified online by the anonymous beauty collective and Instagram account Estee Laundry.

And beauty brand Birchbox has already said it has severed all ties with the LA Face brand.

'We have not worked with LAFACE for several years & as a result of the CEO's actions today have officially cut ties with them,' it said in a statement, according to Metro.

'We've removed their products from our website & will not be working with them in the future.'

Alexander is just the latest in long string of 'Karens' to be identified and widely shared on social media this week.

The name 'Karen' has been used to describe entitled middle-aged white women.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ps-man-wrote-Black-Lives-Matter-property.html
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Arizona PR exec and QAnon follower films herself trashing rack of face masks in Target while ranting 'we don't want to do this anymore' and saying 'I'm a blonde, white woman wearing a f***ing $40,000 Rolex'
  • Melissa Rein Lively, the CEO of a PR company The Brand Consortium in Scottsdale, filmed herself trashing a face mask display at Target
  • She posted video of herself throwing masks off their shelves and on the ground
  • She voiced her opposition to masks saying: 'I don’t need this s***'
  • When employees asking her to stop she boasted that she has a $40,000 Rolex
  • A second video emerged showing cops arresting her at her home, where she claimed she was a spokesperson for QAnon and the White House
  • When cops arrested her she shouted 'It's cause I'm Jewish! This is a Nazi game!'
An Arizona woman has been dubbed a 'Karen' after she filmed herself destroying a rack of face masks inside a Target store claiming the pandemic is over and boasting that she had a $40,000 Rolex watch.

The video was uploaded on the Instagram account of Melissa Rein Lively, who runs a public relations company in Scottsdale, and was reposted on Twitter on Sunday.

'Finally we meet the end of the road. I’ve been looking forward to this s*** all my f***ing life,' she said as she films a rack selling various face masks inside a Target store.

She then proceeds to aggressively rip the masks from the shelves and fling them onto the floor.

'This s***'s over, this s***'s over, this s****'s over. Woo! I don’t need this s***. We don’t want any of this anymore, this s***'s over,’ she’s heard saying as she spreads the masks across the ground.

Two Target employees then approach her as she makes her mess and say,' Ma’am can you please stop'.

'Why? You let everyone else do it. Why? I can’t do it cause I’m a blonde, white woman? Wearing a f***ing $40,000 Rolex? I don’t have the right to f*** s*** up?' she fumes.

The video has been viewed over seven million times on Twitter.

A second video, filmed on Instagram Live on the profile of The Brand Consortium, the marketing brand Lively is the CEO of, shows cops arrest her at her home following the Target incident.

In the clip Lively claims she’s a spokesperson for QAnon and the White House.

'I was hired to be the QAnon spokesperson,' she said in the clip adding police can 'call Donald Trump and ask him' claiming she can’t share any 'classified information'.

QAnon is a far-right conspiracy theory that alleges there’s a supposed secret plot orchestrated by an alleged 'deep state' against Donald Trump and his supporters. The group emerged on the dark web three years ago and has gained a niche of followers within the Republican party and on social media.

On July 1 she shared on her Facebook page: 'I am honored and thrilled to officially announce I am the Global Press Secretary representing the organization worldwide.'

After claiming to be a spokesperson for the group the cop asked her to put her phone down and moved to arrest her.

'You’re doing it to me cause I’m Jewish. You’re doing this to me cause I’m Jewish. This is a Nazi game. This is Nazi bulls***,' she says.

It’s unclear if Lively was arrested.

Lively has run her own PR group for 11 years. According to its website the Brand Consortium is 'Arizona’s #1 lifestyle and luxury public relations firm. We are a collective of public relations, buzz marketing, consulting and event design services specializing in hospitality, hotel & travel, real estate, retail, health & wellness and consumer brands.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...en-films-trashing-rack-face-masks-Target.html

 
SlyPokerDog said:
Arizona PR exec and QAnon follower films herself trashing rack of face masks in Target while ranting 'we don't want to do this anymore' and saying 'I'm a blonde, white woman wearing a f***ing $40,000 Rolex'
  • Melissa Rein Lively, the CEO of a PR company The Brand Consortium in Scottsdale, filmed herself trashing a face mask display at Target
  • She posted video of herself throwing masks off their shelves and on the ground
  • She voiced her opposition to masks saying: 'I don’t need this s***'
  • When employees asking her to stop she boasted that she has a $40,000 Rolex
  • A second video emerged showing cops arresting her at her home, where she claimed she was a spokesperson for QAnon and the White House
  • When cops arrested her she shouted 'It's cause I'm Jewish! This is a Nazi game!'
An Arizona woman has been dubbed a 'Karen' after she filmed herself destroying a rack of face masks inside a Target store claiming the pandemic is over and boasting that she had a $40,000 Rolex watch.

The video was uploaded on the Instagram account of Melissa Rein Lively, who runs a public relations company in Scottsdale, and was reposted on Twitter on Sunday.

'Finally we meet the end of the road. I’ve been looking forward to this s*** all my f***ing life,' she said as she films a rack selling various face masks inside a Target store.

She then proceeds to aggressively rip the masks from the shelves and fling them onto the floor.

'This s***'s over, this s***'s over, this s****'s over. Woo! I don’t need this s***. We don’t want any of this anymore, this s***'s over,’ she’s heard saying as she spreads the masks across the ground.

Two Target employees then approach her as she makes her mess and say,' Ma’am can you please stop'.

'Why? You let everyone else do it. Why? I can’t do it cause I’m a blonde, white woman? Wearing a f***ing $40,000 Rolex? I don’t have the right to f*** s*** up?' she fumes.

The video has been viewed over seven million times on Twitter.

A second video, filmed on Instagram Live on the profile of The Brand Consortium, the marketing brand Lively is the CEO of, shows cops arrest her at her home following the Target incident.

In the clip Lively claims she’s a spokesperson for QAnon and the White House.

'I was hired to be the QAnon spokesperson,' she said in the clip adding police can 'call Donald Trump and ask him' claiming she can’t share any 'classified information'.

QAnon is a far-right conspiracy theory that alleges there’s a supposed secret plot orchestrated by an alleged 'deep state' against Donald Trump and his supporters. The group emerged on the dark web three years ago and has gained a niche of followers within the Republican party and on social media.

On July 1 she shared on her Facebook page: 'I am honored and thrilled to officially announce I am the Global Press Secretary representing the organization worldwide.'

After claiming to be a spokesperson for the group the cop asked her to put her phone down and moved to arrest her.

'You’re doing it to me cause I’m Jewish. You’re doing this to me cause I’m Jewish. This is a Nazi game. This is Nazi bulls***,' she says.

It’s unclear if Lively was arrested.

Lively has run her own PR group for 11 years. According to its website the Brand Consortium is 'Arizona’s #1 lifestyle and luxury public relations firm. We are a collective of public relations, buzz marketing, consulting and event design services specializing in hospitality, hotel & travel, real estate, retail, health & wellness and consumer brands.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...en-films-trashing-rack-face-masks-Target.html
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SlyPokerDog said:
Arizona PR exec and QAnon follower films herself trashing rack of face masks in Target while ranting 'we don't want to do this anymore' and saying 'I'm a blonde, white woman wearing a f***ing $40,000 Rolex'
  • Melissa Rein Lively, the CEO of a PR company The Brand Consortium in Scottsdale, filmed herself trashing a face mask display at Target
  • She posted video of herself throwing masks off their shelves and on the ground
  • She voiced her opposition to masks saying: 'I don’t need this s***'
  • When employees asking her to stop she boasted that she has a $40,000 Rolex
  • A second video emerged showing cops arresting her at her home, where she claimed she was a spokesperson for QAnon and the White House
  • When cops arrested her she shouted 'It's cause I'm Jewish! This is a Nazi game!'
An Arizona woman has been dubbed a 'Karen' after she filmed herself destroying a rack of face masks inside a Target store claiming the pandemic is over and boasting that she had a $40,000 Rolex watch.

The video was uploaded on the Instagram account of Melissa Rein Lively, who runs a public relations company in Scottsdale, and was reposted on Twitter on Sunday.

'Finally we meet the end of the road. I’ve been looking forward to this s*** all my f***ing life,' she said as she films a rack selling various face masks inside a Target store.

She then proceeds to aggressively rip the masks from the shelves and fling them onto the floor.

'This s***'s over, this s***'s over, this s****'s over. Woo! I don’t need this s***. We don’t want any of this anymore, this s***'s over,’ she’s heard saying as she spreads the masks across the ground.

Two Target employees then approach her as she makes her mess and say,' Ma’am can you please stop'.

'Why? You let everyone else do it. Why? I can’t do it cause I’m a blonde, white woman? Wearing a f***ing $40,000 Rolex? I don’t have the right to f*** s*** up?' she fumes.

The video has been viewed over seven million times on Twitter.

A second video, filmed on Instagram Live on the profile of The Brand Consortium, the marketing brand Lively is the CEO of, shows cops arrest her at her home following the Target incident.

In the clip Lively claims she’s a spokesperson for QAnon and the White House.

'I was hired to be the QAnon spokesperson,' she said in the clip adding police can 'call Donald Trump and ask him' claiming she can’t share any 'classified information'.

QAnon is a far-right conspiracy theory that alleges there’s a supposed secret plot orchestrated by an alleged 'deep state' against Donald Trump and his supporters. The group emerged on the dark web three years ago and has gained a niche of followers within the Republican party and on social media.

On July 1 she shared on her Facebook page: 'I am honored and thrilled to officially announce I am the Global Press Secretary representing the organization worldwide.'

After claiming to be a spokesperson for the group the cop asked her to put her phone down and moved to arrest her.

'You’re doing it to me cause I’m Jewish. You’re doing this to me cause I’m Jewish. This is a Nazi game. This is Nazi bulls***,' she says.

It’s unclear if Lively was arrested.

Lively has run her own PR group for 11 years. According to its website the Brand Consortium is 'Arizona’s #1 lifestyle and luxury public relations firm. We are a collective of public relations, buzz marketing, consulting and event design services specializing in hospitality, hotel & travel, real estate, retail, health & wellness and consumer brands.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...en-films-trashing-rack-face-masks-Target.html
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Not great PR
 
I just want to know what app she is using to get "FILM" on her phone!!!???
 
I was fine with soccer mom or the really generic....stupid bitch tags myself...now nice women named Karen are changing their name or embarrassed to use it
 
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