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Natebishop3 said:
This part bothers me. The National Guard should be a separate entity from the Federal Government. Outside of the chain of command.

And this is why we need the second amendment folks. Our state militia is basically just one phone call away from being part of the US Army.
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The National Guard has been used as part of the U.S. Army since at least WWII. Some of the first units to fight overseas in that war were National Guard units, and they were called up again at the start of the Korean War. Oregon National Guard units have also served in the Middle East and Afghanistan. I hope that if it comes down to it, Comrade Kate holds firm. But thanks to our Senators and Representatives, Oregon has one of the better equipped National Guards in the country, which makes us very attractive when the shit hits the fan......
 
barfo said:
Don't you get it? They are going to line up along the border and form a wall. It's the wall Trump promised.

"Soylent Wall is people!"

barfo
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"How to serve people" - IT'S A COOKBOOK
 
Natebishop3 said:
I got to take a ride in one of our up armored humvees and it was pretty sweet. Had flir night vision mounted above the dash.
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I could tell a story about FLIR.
 
The Guam NG unit I worked with in Helmand had an Oregon NG officer as their unit commander b/c Guam didn't have any deployable officers.

If the Commander-in-Chief federalizes the Guard under Title 10 (has to be a national emergency or in wartime, which, hey, we qualify), I'm pretty sure Gov. Brown doesn't get a vote.
 
I wonder if anybody on here was a Military Policeman in the Army and finished his time in the service as a member of the Oregon National Guard?
 
I was lucky enough to get out right as we were being activated to go to Afghanistan. 41st Seperate Infantry Brigade.....tied in with the 7th Infantry Division.
 
HCP said:
I wonder if anybody on here was a Military Policeman in the Army and finished his time in the service as a member of the Oregon National Guard?
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I volunteered to be an MP but they sent me to a lengthy electronics school instead. I was exempt from serving in the active reserves because of my duty in combat.
 
I had bone spurs.

barfo
 
Curious if I have the feelings that I do about war and guns BECAUSE I served?
 
HCP said:
Curious if I have the feelings that I do about war and guns BECAUSE I served?
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People forget how many war vets actually organize protests against wars.....they assume it's just hippies protesting
 
HCP said:
Curious if I have the feelings that I do about war and guns BECAUSE I served?
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I have friends who served active duty in combat. One of them was a Ranger. One of them was a First Sargent in the ONG. None of them feel the way that you do.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have friends who served active duty in combat. One of them was a Ranger. One of them was a First Sargent in the ONG. None of them feel the way that you do.
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You are probably right. I feel the way I do probably because I saw more people shot BEFORE I served than WHILE I served.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have friends who served active duty in combat. One of them was a Ranger. One of them was a First Sargent in the ONG. None of them feel the way that you do.
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When I was in the Army you could find a wide range of people with a wide range of views except almost everyone said FTA, especially when the recruiting sergeant tried to get you to re-up.
 
Lanny said:
When I was in the Army you could find a wide range of people with a wide range of views except almost everyone said FTA, especially when the recruiting sergeant tried to get you to re-up.
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FTA, sure, but none of my former military friends are anti-gun, and I have quite a few.
 
Natebishop3 said:
FTA, sure, but none of my former military friends are anti-gun, and I have quite a few.
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We had some really nice conscientious objectors in one of my units. One guy refused to go to Vietnam. He was ordered there. He refused the order and went on a hunger strike. They stuck him in the stockade and put him on bread and water. He still refused to go. They put him into the hospital and stuck a feeding tube down his nose. I was his armed guard. We sat and listened to the Moody Blues for hours on an Akai tape recorder that you usueally found only at the PX in Vietnam, I don't know how he got it. Finally, they dragged him kicking and screaming, literally, on the airplane. I never saw him again. Nice guy but a little goofy. Hope he made it back alive.

I ran into two guys I went to electronics school in NJ, in Vietnam. Nice guys, who went like I did because we were ordered to do so, but they had less of an affinity for guns than me. At least I grew up with guns.

As a kid, I was always taught that guns were for hunting which I did some hunting with my dad beginning when I was about 11. My dad taught me never to grab a gun in anger.
 
Lanny said:
We had some really nice conscientious objectors in one of my units. One guy refused to go to Vietnam. He was ordered there. He refused the order and went on a hunger strike. They stuck him in the stockade and put him on bread and water. He still refused to go. They put him into the hospital and stuck a feeding tube down his nose. I was his armed guard. We sat and listened to the Moody Blues for hours on an Akai tape recorder that you usueally found only at the PX in Vietnam, I don't know how he got it. Finally, they dragged him kicking and screaming, literally, on the airplane. I never saw him again. Nice guy but a little goofy. Hope he made it back alive.

I ran into two guys I went to electronics school in NJ, in Vietnam. Nice guys, who went like I did because we were ordered to do so, but they had less of an affinity for guns than me. At least I grew up with guns.

As a kid, I was always taught that guns were for hunting which I did some hunting with my dad beginning when I was about 11. My dad taught me never to grab a gun in anger.
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All my guys were volunteers. I suspect that my parents generation is very different, with so many people drafted to go fight in a war that they wanted no part of.
 
Mote said:
The current Adjutant General for our state National Guard is Major General Michael E. Stencel. When his command is activated through order of the President, for active duty, by the Joint Chiefs of Staff they are no longer under command of a state government.
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No, Kate Brown can indeed decline.

Trump’s order invoked a federal law called Title 32, under which governors retain command and control of Guard members from their state, with the federal government paying for the deployment.

Another statute, known as Title 10, establishes that National Guard personnel operate under the president’s control and receive federal pay and benefits. The law also forbids them from performing tasks of civilian law enforcement unless explicitly authorized, according to the Congressional Research Service. Trump’s order issued Wednesday did not mention Title 10.
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https://apnews.com/eb13b0b5f6344af7...quest-creates-opening-for-governors-to-say-no
 
Or they didn't know that and the article told him what to do....still Winning.
 
Or maybe he asked Scaramuchi for advice, who said "Eeney miney moe" and picked the wrong Title.
 
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