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So the Flyers and Yankees cease using the song immediately due to stereotypical lyrics on 2 songs sung by Kate Smith in the 30's. One of those songs was apparently a parody recorded with an African American. Kate Smith, a true American hero, raising the equivalent in 2019 of 11 billion dollars to fight the Nazis during WWII. Incidentally the songs in question came out 20 years before the Yankees employed a black player.

Thoughts without a flame war?
 
So the Flyers and Yankees cease using the song immediately due to stereotypical lyrics on 2 songs sung by Kate Smith in the 30's. One of those songs was apparently a parody recorded with an African American. Kate Smith, a true American hero, raising the equivalent in 2019 of 11 billion dollars to fight the Nazis during WWII. Incidentally the songs in question came out 20 years before the Yankees employed a black player.

Thoughts without a flame war?

Another step in the destruction of America.
 
So the Flyers and Yankees cease using the song immediately due to stereotypical lyrics on 2 songs sung by Kate Smith in the 30's. One of those songs was apparently a parody recorded with an African American. Kate Smith, a true American hero, raising the equivalent in 2019 of 11 billion dollars to fight the Nazis during WWII. Incidentally the songs in question came out 20 years before the Yankees employed a black player.

Thoughts without a flame war?
I always liked her rendition the best. Never knew the part about the Black American and her. Now, thanks to you, I've got terribly mixed up feelings.
Thanks a lot.
 
I always liked her rendition the best. Never knew the part about the Black American and her. Now, thanks to you, I've got terribly mixed up feelings.
Thanks a lot.
Ha, sorry. You didn't have a lot to think about until game time anyway
 
Ha, sorry. You didn't have a lot to think about until game time anyway
They seldom play it at the Blazer games and when they do it is often sung by none other than Bill Schonely. He sometimes does this on Military Appreciation nights when all of us Veterans get to stand a get noticed with a hearty applause. Makes me feel proud.
 
They seldom play it at the Blazer games and when they do it is often sung by none other than Bill Schonely. He sometimes does this on Military Appreciation nights when all of us Veterans get to stand a get noticed with a hearty applause. Makes me feel proud.
Blazers better check back to 1929 to be sure he can still sing it
 
Wait, they are banning this song, because someone who sang it also sang songs that were racist? That's pretty silly.

I'm not too upset because the song is horrid. Good riddance.

barfo
 
Wait, they are banning this song, because someone who sang it also sang songs that were racist? That's pretty silly.

I'm not too upset because the song is horrid. Good riddance.

barfo
Just her version, I believe. The Flyers took down her statue as well.
 
ummm, Bann God Bless America because of some other song sang by Kate Smith? Does that make sense?
Or because Iving Berlin, the writer, was a Russian immigrant?

Or is it just banning the phrase, God Bless America?

Woody Guthrie's song, This Land I your Land, this Land is My Land,
also from the same era, also has the phrase, God Bless America.

People use to stand for either of these songs being played in public, as well as the National Anthem.

https://blog.oup.com/2015/07/woody-guthrie-folk-music-national-anthem/

https://www.songfacts.com/facts/kate-smith/god-bless-america
https://blog.oup.com/2015/07/woody-guthrie-folk-music-national-anthem/
 
God Bless America. Ha! You will never get it.

I will always understand that this country was founded by racist, genocidal slave owners who were treasonous to great Britain because they were tired of paying taxes...
 
I will always understand that this country was founded by racist, genocidal slave owners who were treasonous to great Britain because they were tired of paying taxes...

Well, it is a matter of perspective. But in any case you and I came much later. My Grandfather told me it was a great place. I took it to heart.
 
I will always understand that this country was founded by racist, genocidal slave owners who were treasonous to great Britain because they were tired of paying taxes...




Slavery in America was a heinous crime by Britain and other European countries, with America and many other countries being no worse than willing and naive victims.

Get off the internet, go to a Real Library, and for starters research how Britain, Holland, Portugal and several African governments kidnapped Africans, then sold and shipped them all over North and South America. The slave trade was established here by Britain and Holland long before 1776, and in fact was at least a minor factor in the American Revolution. No other countries in the world bear more blame than Britain and Holland, which to this day still practice slavery of their own citizens, albeit in a much more subtle form. The British Industrial revolution was financed by the profits of the slave trade almost entirely. Britain had a far more insidious goal for promoting, supplying slaves to the Americas, which was to make their economies totally reliant on Britain for industrial and agricultural labor. It was the key tool they used for conquest of new territories spanning the globe. With the end of slavery in most of the Americas, the British Empire began to collapse and lost most of their influence and power over the next centuries in revolts inspired by the heroic patriots of the American Revolution and the American Civil War. Britain is now just another small, whiny european country with no major influence over anyone, hiding/denying it's reprehensible past. Portugal, Denmark and Sweden also traded in slaves. America received a tiny fraction of slaves, with 95% of all slaves being shipped to the Caribbean sugar plantations, Mexico, Brazil, and Spanish-controlled parts of South America.

Blaming Americans, Brazilians, Argentinians...for the slave trade is like blaming the opioid epidemic on the addicts.

But go ahead and google it if you prefer, as it is indisputable common knowledge.

A few examples:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 when the British slave trade was abolished. It is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.

The profits of slavery were ploughed back into the economy and helped to develop industry in Britain and its colonies. Manchester became an important textile centre, where factories made cloth from cheap slave picked cotton. Much of this cloth was sold back to the Africans in return for more slaves.

Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery. By the time it was abolished after years of campaigning by Emperor Pedro II, in 1888, an estimated four million slaves had been imported from Africa to Brazil, 40% of the total number of slaves brought to the Americas.

In 1981, Mauritania became the last country in the world to abolish slavery, when a presidential decree abolished the practice. However, no criminal laws were passed to enforce the ban.

Among the last states to abolish slavery were Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman in 1970; and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.

Atlantic slave trade was banned or suspended during the American Revolutionary War. This was part of the 13 colonies overall policy of refusing to import anything from Britain, as an attempt to cut all economic ties with Britain during the war. The move decimated the British Empire financially.

British colonies in North America began abolishing slavery 100 years before Britain followed suit, with some backpeddling in later years as Britain exerted more domination over laws in their colonies:

1732-Georgia-Province established without black slavery in sharp contrast to neighboring Carolina. In 1738, James Oglethorpe warns against changing that policy, which would "occasion the misery of thousands in Africa."[41] Native American slavery is legal throughout, however, and black slavery is later introduced in 1749.

1738-Florida-Fort Mosé, the first legal settlement of free blacks in what is today the United States, is established. Word of the settlement sparks the Stono Rebellion in South Carolina the following year.

1775-Pennsylvania-Pennsylvania Abolition Society formed in Philadelphia, the first abolition society within the territory that is now the United States of America.

1777-Vermont-The Constitution of the Vermont Republic partially bans slavery,[48] freeing men over 21 and women older than 18 at the time of its passage.[49] The ban is not strongly enforced.[
 
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Well, it is a matter of perspective. But in any case you and I came much later. My Grandfather told me it was a great place. I took it to heart.

Me, too, man! Me, too!

Hey, when are the all-powerful mods gonna finally acquiesce and let you back in here??
 
Me, too, man! Me, too!

Hey, when are the all-powerful mods gonna finally acquiesce and let you back in here??

And @bodyman.

A life sentence without parole seems extreme.

@SlyPokerDog don't make us protest on your front lawn!

When posters are banned, and then they repeatedly state via other communication modes post-banning that if they were to return, they would unabashedly continue the behavior that got them banned in the first place, "parole" isn't really a realistic option.
 
When posters are banned, and then they repeatedly state via other communication modes post-banning that if they were to return, they would unabashedly continue the behavior that got them banned in the first place, "parole" isn't really a realistic option.

Fair enough. Wasn't aware.

Has there been a recent parole hearing to determine if they are still of that mindset, or maybe time has provided a bit of compromise?
 
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Fair enough. Wasn't aware.

Has there been a recent parole hearing to determine if they are still of that mindset, or maybe time has provided a bit of compromise?
That I wouldn't know.
 
So the Flyers and Yankees cease using the song immediately due to stereotypical lyrics on 2 songs sung by Kate Smith in the 30's. One of those songs was apparently a parody recorded with an African American. Kate Smith, a true American hero, raising the equivalent in 2019 of 11 billion dollars to fight the Nazis during WWII. Incidentally the songs in question came out 20 years before the Yankees employed a black player.

Thoughts without a flame war?
As someone from England, I will never understand the relevance of nationalism to club sports. Find a fucking song FOR YOUR TEAM and play that. Imagine if Liverpool had to play God Save The Queen instead of You'll Never Walk Alone. Or, you can have songs associated with specific events, like Abide With Me and the FA Cup final:


As featured in this classic:
 
First they came for Kate Smith...and I said nothing...
Then they came for Hitler, then they came for Mussolini, then they came for Tojo, then they came for Stalin, then they came for Trump. I'm seeing a pattern here.
 
Slavery in America was a heinous crime by Britain and other European countries, with America and many other countries being no worse than willing and naive victims.

Get off the internet, go to a Real Library, and for starters research how Britain, Holland, Portugal and several African governments kidnapped Africans, then sold and shipped them all over North and South America. The slave trade was established here by Britain and Holland long before 1776, and in fact was at least a minor factor in the American Revolution. No other countries in the world bear more blame than Britain and Holland, which to this day still practice slavery of their own citizens, albeit in a much more subtle form. The British Industrial revolution was financed by the profits of the slave trade almost entirely. Britain had a far more insidious goal for promoting, supplying slaves to the Americas, which was to make their economies totally reliant on Britain for industrial and agricultural labor. It was the key tool they used for conquest of new territories spanning the globe. With the end of slavery in most of the Americas, the British Empire began to collapse and lost most of their influence and power over the next centuries in revolts inspired by the heroic patriots of the American Revolution and the American Civil War. Britain is now just another small, whiny european country with no major influence over anyone, hiding/denying it's reprehensible past. Portugal, Denmark and Sweden also traded in slaves. America received a tiny fraction of slaves, with 95% of all slaves being shipped to the Caribbean sugar plantations, Mexico, Brazil, and Spanish-controlled parts of South America.

Blaming Americans, Brazilians, Argentinians...for the slave trade is like blaming the opioid epidemic on the addicts.

But go ahead and google it if you prefer, as it is indisputable common knowledge.

A few examples:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 when the British slave trade was abolished. It is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.

The profits of slavery were ploughed back into the economy and helped to develop industry in Britain and its colonies. Manchester became an important textile centre, where factories made cloth from cheap slave picked cotton. Much of this cloth was sold back to the Africans in return for more slaves.

Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery. By the time it was abolished after years of campaigning by Emperor Pedro II, in 1888, an estimated four million slaves had been imported from Africa to Brazil, 40% of the total number of slaves brought to the Americas.

In 1981, Mauritania became the last country in the world to abolish slavery, when a presidential decree abolished the practice. However, no criminal laws were passed to enforce the ban.

Among the last states to abolish slavery were Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman in 1970; and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.

Atlantic slave trade was banned or suspended during the American Revolutionary War. This was part of the 13 colonies overall policy of refusing to import anything from Britain, as an attempt to cut all economic ties with Britain during the war. The move decimated the British Empire financially.

British colonies in North America began abolishing slavery 100 years before Britain followed suit, with some backpeddling in later years as Britain exerted more domination over laws in their colonies:

1732-Georgia-Province established without black slavery in sharp contrast to neighboring Carolina. In 1738, James Oglethorpe warns against changing that policy, which would "occasion the misery of thousands in Africa."[41] Native American slavery is legal throughout, however, and black slavery is later introduced in 1749.

1738-Florida-Fort Mosé, the first legal settlement of free blacks in what is today the United States, is established. Word of the settlement sparks the Stono Rebellion in South Carolina the following year.

1775-Pennsylvania-Pennsylvania Abolition Society formed in Philadelphia, the first abolition society within the territory that is now the United States of America.

1777-Vermont-The Constitution of the Vermont Republic partially bans slavery,[48] freeing men over 21 and women older than 18 at the time of its passage.[49] The ban is not strongly enforced.[
Slavery was heinous WHOEVER practiced it. Jim Crow laws were also heinous as is their legacy.
 
Slavery in America was a heinous crime by Britain and other European countries, with America and many other countries being no worse than willing and naive victims.

Get off the internet, go to a Real Library, and for starters research how Britain, Holland, Portugal and several African governments kidnapped Africans, then sold and shipped them all over North and South America. The slave trade was established here by Britain and Holland long before 1776, and in fact was at least a minor factor in the American Revolution. No other countries in the world bear more blame than Britain and Holland, which to this day still practice slavery of their own citizens, albeit in a much more subtle form. The British Industrial revolution was financed by the profits of the slave trade almost entirely. Britain had a far more insidious goal for promoting, supplying slaves to the Americas, which was to make their economies totally reliant on Britain for industrial and agricultural labor. It was the key tool they used for conquest of new territories spanning the globe. With the end of slavery in most of the Americas, the British Empire began to collapse and lost most of their influence and power over the next centuries in revolts inspired by the heroic patriots of the American Revolution and the American Civil War. Britain is now just another small, whiny european country with no major influence over anyone, hiding/denying it's reprehensible past. Portugal, Denmark and Sweden also traded in slaves. America received a tiny fraction of slaves, with 95% of all slaves being shipped to the Caribbean sugar plantations, Mexico, Brazil, and Spanish-controlled parts of South America.

Blaming Americans, Brazilians, Argentinians...for the slave trade is like blaming the opioid epidemic on the addicts.

But go ahead and google it if you prefer, as it is indisputable common knowledge.

A few examples:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 when the British slave trade was abolished. It is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.

The profits of slavery were ploughed back into the economy and helped to develop industry in Britain and its colonies. Manchester became an important textile centre, where factories made cloth from cheap slave picked cotton. Much of this cloth was sold back to the Africans in return for more slaves.

Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery. By the time it was abolished after years of campaigning by Emperor Pedro II, in 1888, an estimated four million slaves had been imported from Africa to Brazil, 40% of the total number of slaves brought to the Americas.

In 1981, Mauritania became the last country in the world to abolish slavery, when a presidential decree abolished the practice. However, no criminal laws were passed to enforce the ban.

Among the last states to abolish slavery were Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman in 1970; and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.

Atlantic slave trade was banned or suspended during the American Revolutionary War. This was part of the 13 colonies overall policy of refusing to import anything from Britain, as an attempt to cut all economic ties with Britain during the war. The move decimated the British Empire financially.

British colonies in North America began abolishing slavery 100 years before Britain followed suit, with some backpeddling in later years as Britain exerted more domination over laws in their colonies:

1732-Georgia-Province established without black slavery in sharp contrast to neighboring Carolina. In 1738, James Oglethorpe warns against changing that policy, which would "occasion the misery of thousands in Africa."[41] Native American slavery is legal throughout, however, and black slavery is later introduced in 1749.

1738-Florida-Fort Mosé, the first legal settlement of free blacks in what is today the United States, is established. Word of the settlement sparks the Stono Rebellion in South Carolina the following year.

1775-Pennsylvania-Pennsylvania Abolition Society formed in Philadelphia, the first abolition society within the territory that is now the United States of America.

1777-Vermont-The Constitution of the Vermont Republic partially bans slavery,[48] freeing men over 21 and women older than 18 at the time of its passage.[49] The ban is not strongly enforced.[

George Washington's teeth weren't made of wood nor hippo Ivory. They were teeth from slaves.

Slavery wasn't abolished until 1868 (FUCK TEXAS). Do the math and stop blaming the initial colonizers for what their children continued. But look at you...

Making excuses for slavery is racist...
 
Slavery in America was a heinous crime by Britain and other European countries, with America and many other countries being no worse than willing and naive victims.

Get off the internet, go to a Real Library, and for starters research how Britain, Holland, Portugal and several African governments kidnapped Africans, then sold and shipped them all over North and South America. The slave trade was established here by Britain and Holland long before 1776, and in fact was at least a minor factor in the American Revolution. No other countries in the world bear more blame than Britain and Holland, which to this day still practice slavery of their own citizens, albeit in a much more subtle form. The British Industrial revolution was financed by the profits of the slave trade almost entirely. Britain had a far more insidious goal for promoting, supplying slaves to the Americas, which was to make their economies totally reliant on Britain for industrial and agricultural labor. It was the key tool they used for conquest of new territories spanning the globe. With the end of slavery in most of the Americas, the British Empire began to collapse and lost most of their influence and power over the next centuries in revolts inspired by the heroic patriots of the American Revolution and the American Civil War. Britain is now just another small, whiny european country with no major influence over anyone, hiding/denying it's reprehensible past. Portugal, Denmark and Sweden also traded in slaves. America received a tiny fraction of slaves, with 95% of all slaves being shipped to the Caribbean sugar plantations, Mexico, Brazil, and Spanish-controlled parts of South America.

Blaming Americans, Brazilians, Argentinians...for the slave trade is like blaming the opioid epidemic on the addicts.

But go ahead and google it if you prefer, as it is indisputable common knowledge.

A few examples:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 when the British slave trade was abolished. It is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.

The profits of slavery were ploughed back into the economy and helped to develop industry in Britain and its colonies. Manchester became an important textile centre, where factories made cloth from cheap slave picked cotton. Much of this cloth was sold back to the Africans in return for more slaves.

Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery. By the time it was abolished after years of campaigning by Emperor Pedro II, in 1888, an estimated four million slaves had been imported from Africa to Brazil, 40% of the total number of slaves brought to the Americas.

In 1981, Mauritania became the last country in the world to abolish slavery, when a presidential decree abolished the practice. However, no criminal laws were passed to enforce the ban.

Among the last states to abolish slavery were Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman in 1970; and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.

Atlantic slave trade was banned or suspended during the American Revolutionary War. This was part of the 13 colonies overall policy of refusing to import anything from Britain, as an attempt to cut all economic ties with Britain during the war. The move decimated the British Empire financially.

British colonies in North America began abolishing slavery 100 years before Britain followed suit, with some backpeddling in later years as Britain exerted more domination over laws in their colonies:

1732-Georgia-Province established without black slavery in sharp contrast to neighboring Carolina. In 1738, James Oglethorpe warns against changing that policy, which would "occasion the misery of thousands in Africa."[41] Native American slavery is legal throughout, however, and black slavery is later introduced in 1749.

1738-Florida-Fort Mosé, the first legal settlement of free blacks in what is today the United States, is established. Word of the settlement sparks the Stono Rebellion in South Carolina the following year.

1775-Pennsylvania-Pennsylvania Abolition Society formed in Philadelphia, the first abolition society within the territory that is now the United States of America.

1777-Vermont-The Constitution of the Vermont Republic partially bans slavery,[48] freeing men over 21 and women older than 18 at the time of its passage.[49] The ban is not strongly enforced.[
Excellent and well-researched post that I doubt most of the virtue warriors even bothered to read.
 

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