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[barfo]

Nice Spin.
This is what I meant a couple days ago when I said you purposely ignoring the truth.
Clinton didn't lose because she was a woman.
She lost because she was literally THE worst democratic nominee in my lifetime.
That has nothing to do with me believing Sanders was the better candidate either.
That has to do with knowing her history, listening to her talk over the years.

This is the bed you and others like you made. Lay in it.

Do you really believe misogyny doesn't exist, didn't affect any votes?

Also - wasn't Trump literally THE worst Republican nominee in your lifetime?

barfo

 

[H.C.]

Do you really believe misogyny doesn't exist, didn't affect any votes?

barfo

Yes both candidates were awful. Which is why I put my vote in for another.
I refused to vote for a racist. I refused to vote for political corruption.
I've said that multiple times. But I'll say it again to humor you sir.

Again that's a spin.
The only votes misogyny effected were the voters who already decided they vote party first.

Gender had nothing to do with the Democrats losing the 2016 election.
Hell you can even look how upset most young people get when women are treated less than equal.

Now I will agree with you, if you change your statement to the following.
'There is a portion of the population who believe women belong in the kitchen. However this portion of the population didn't really effect the outcome of the election. Due to it being obvious this part of the population generally votes conservative in every election'.

 

[barfo]

Again that's a spin.
The only votes misogyny effected were the voters who already decided they vote party first.

Gender had nothing to do with the Democrats losing the 2016 election.
Hell you can even look how upset most young people get when women are treated less than equal.

Now I will agree with you, if you change your statement to the following.
'There is a portion of the population who believe women belong in the kitchen. However this portion of the population didn't really effect the outcome of the election. Due to it being obvious this part of the population generally votes conservative in every election'.

Ok. Well, I won't call your view spin. I'll just call it wrong.

barfo

 

[H.C.]

Ok. Well, I won't call your view spin. I'll just call it wrong.

barfo

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Hopefully your party bias doesn't lead to another 4 years of Trump.
But nothing has changed in nearly 3 years. Why should I expect it to magically be different going forward.

 

[barfo]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Hopefully your party bias doesn't lead to another 4 years of Trump.
But nothing has changed in nearly 3 years. Why should I expect it to magically be different going forward.

You really are bitter about Bernie losing, aren't you? He's not the last and only hope... there will be other candidates, assuming Trump doesn't declare himself President-for-life.

Pick one and work to get him or her elected.

barfo

 

[e_blazer]

Do you really believe misogyny doesn't exist, didn't affect any votes?

Also - wasn't Trump literally THE worst Republican nominee in your lifetime?

barfo

I'll play along just because I'm bored.

Sure, misogyny exists, but that wasn't the reason that Hillary lost. A lot of the same goobers who voted against her were all in favor of Sarah Palin as VP. In fact, she's the only reason a lot of them were willing to support McCain for president. Hillary had a whole lot of baggage and nearly zero charisma. She had the stupidity to give the Republicans a major talking point with the email server crap. She totally ignored the significance of the blue collar workers in Michigan and Pennsylvania and spent nearly zero time trying to convince them that she could do something to make their lives better. Those issues, coupled with the baggage and lack of charisma, had a lot more to do with her losing to probably the worst Republican candidate in modern political history than the fact that she has breasts and a vagina.

Yes, Trump was literally THE worst Republican nominee in my lifetime (see above). I re-registered from Independent to Republican so I could vote against him in the primary. He's an ill-tempered, shallow-thinking bully who has no business visiting the White House let alone taking up residence there. And still, he beat Hillary. Misogyny, the Rooskies, the nasty James Comey (who's now okay), the stupid Electoral College process, and whatever other excuses the Democrats want to continue to throw out there still don't change the fact that it takes a special kind of incompetence, when you have the whole Clinton/Democrat Party Machine available to you, to lose a presidential election to a moron like Donald J. Trump.

 

[yankeesince59]

...Lindsey Graham's comments earlier today completely contradicts his feelings about Trump and illustrates how far he and the GOP has fallen.

...and IMO, the Senate is worse than Trump if that's possible...it's freaking embarrassing.

 

[barfo]

I'll play along just because I'm bored.

Sure, misogyny exists, but that wasn't the reason that Hillary lost. A lot of the same goobers who voted against her were all in favor of Sarah Palin as VP. In fact, she's the only reason a lot of them were willing to support McCain for president. Hillary had a whole lot of baggage and nearly zero charisma. She had the stupidity to give the Republicans a major talking point with the email server crap. She totally ignored the significance of the blue collar workers in Michigan and Pennsylvania and spent nearly zero time trying to convince them that she could do something to make their lives better. Those issues, coupled with the baggage and lack of charisma, had a lot more to do with her losing to probably the worst Republican candidate in modern political history than the fact that she has breasts and a vagina.

Yes, Trump was literally THE worst Republican nominee in my lifetime (see above). I re-registered from Independent to Republican so I could vote against him in the primary. He's an ill-tempered, shallow-thinking bully who has no business visiting the White House let alone taking up residence there. And still, he beat Hillary. Misogyny, the Rooskies, the nasty James Comey (who's now okay), the stupid Electoral College process, and whatever other excuses the Democrats want to continue to throw out there still don't change the fact that it takes a special kind of incompetence, when you have the whole Clinton/Democrat Party Machine available to you, to lose a presidential election to a moron like Donald J. Trump.

No doubt. But my point was about Warren, not Hillary. It will be more difficult to get Warren elected than if she was exactly the same person but male.

barfo

 

[H.C.]

You really are bitter about Bernie losing, aren't you? He's not the last and only hope... there will be other candidates, assuming Trump doesn't declare himself President-for-life.

Pick one and work to get him or her elected.

barfo

Nice Spin.
This is what I meant a couple days ago when I said you purposely ignoring the truth.
Clinton didn't lose because she was a woman.
She lost because she was literally THE worst democratic nominee in my lifetime.
That has nothing to do with me believing Sanders was the better candidate either.
That has to do with knowing her history, listening to her talk over the years.

This is the bed you and others like you made. Lay in it.

I'll just leave this here and duck.
Impossible to have a logical discussion with someone like Barfo.
Keep pushing that company line. When Trump wins again maybe you'll ask yourself.
Was it really worth it? Doubtful.

 

[yankeesince59]

I'll play along just because I'm bored.

Sure, misogyny exists, but that wasn't the reason that Hillary lost. A lot of the same goobers who voted against her were all in favor of Sarah Palin as VP. In fact, she's the only reason a lot of them were willing to support McCain for president. Hillary had a whole lot of baggage and nearly zero charisma. She had the stupidity to give the Republicans a major talking point with the email server crap. She totally ignored the significance of the blue collar workers in Michigan and Pennsylvania and spent nearly zero time trying to convince them that she could do something to make their lives better. Those issues, coupled with the baggage and lack of charisma, had a lot more to do with her losing to probably the worst Republican candidate in modern political history than the fact that she has breasts and a vagina.

Yes, Trump was literally THE worst Republican nominee in my lifetime (see above). I re-registered from Independent to Republican so I could vote against him in the primary. He's an ill-tempered, shallow-thinking bully who has no business visiting the White House let alone taking up residence there. And still, he beat Hillary. Misogyny, the Rooskies, the nasty James Comey (who's now okay), the stupid Electoral College process, and whatever other excuses the Democrats want to continue to throw out there still don't change the fact that it takes a special kind of incompetence, when you have the whole Clinton/Democrat Party Machine available to you, to lose a presidential election to a moron like Donald J. Trump.

...ahhh, don't forget the Russians.

 

[barfo]

I'll just leave this here and duck.
Impossible to have a logical discussion with someone like Barfo.
Keep pushing that company line. When Trump wins again maybe you'll ask yourself.
Was it really worth it? Doubtful.

Wait, when Trump wins again I'll ask myself if supporting Hillary in 2016 was worth it?

That doesn't even make sense.

Unless you are trying to claim that Bernie would have beaten Trump. Which is completely unknowable. He might have won, he might have lost.

In either case though, the outcome of the 2020 election will be determined by the 2020 election.

barfo

 

[yankeesince59]

Impossible to have a logical discussion with someone like Barfo.
When Trump wins again maybe you'll ask yourself.
Was it really worth it? Doubtful.

...he could have just as easily said the same thing about you...but he didn't.

 

[e_blazer]

No doubt. But my point was about Warren, not Hillary. It will be more difficult to get Warren elected than if she was exactly the same person but male.

barfo

I see it as cutting both ways for her. Sure, there are the dolts who would never vote for a woman, but there are also a lot of folks who are really eager to see the glass ceiling get broken and would vote for the female candidate over an equally qualified male.

 

[e_blazer]

...ahhh, don't forget the Russians.

See mention of “Rooskies” above.

 

[barfo]

I see it as cutting both ways for her. Sure, there are the dolts who would never vote for a woman, but there are also a lot of folks who are really eager to see the glass ceiling get broken and would vote for the female candidate over an equally qualified male.

But not over a much less qualified male?

More seriously: yes, you are correct. And similarly the comment about most 'keep em pregnant and in the kitchen' folks are going to vote Republican. Throw those two voting blocks out, the election is decided by low information voters. Subtle gender bias can effect their vote, not in the 'I'd never ever vote for a woman' way, but in finding reasons to vote for the other guy.

That's my thesis, anyway. If Warren or Harris or any other woman gets elected in 2020, I'll happily be proven (somewhat) wrong.

barfo

 

[yankeesince59]

See mention of “Rooskies” above.

...lol...my bad, the slang threw me off.

 

[e_blazer]

But not over a much less qualified male?

barfo

You're running?

 

[barfo]

You're running?

As a write-in candidate. I got zero votes last time, but on the positive side, the Rooskies have no dirt on me.

barfo

 

[e_blazer]

As a write-in candidate. I got zero votes last time, but on the positive side, the Rooskies have no dirt on me.

barfo

Personally, I think your only shot is to run in drag.

 

[Hoopguru]

Do you really believe misogyny doesn't exist, didn't affect any votes?

Also - wasn't Trump literally THE worst Republican nominee in your lifetime?

barfo

Why do you think the worst candidate ever was able to beat the Clinton Corrupt Machine and the 16? or so, other established candidates?

Voters are tired of politicians feeding them load of crap and never getting anything accomplished.

To me it doesnt matter what party or how eloquent a person is, any President should be measure by metric and if he can get things done that he said he would do.
What gets measured gets done!
If you don't know where you are going, you will end up somewhere else!

The demos need a better platform to run on, one that should, imo, focus on the economy and national security (both generic issues) that the American people view as important.
If any party gets way extreme right or way extreme left, they don't stand a very good chance in winning new voters.

In business I always wanted to not only keep existing customers, but consistently recruit new ones, both take work and sometimes different strategies and often a different approach.

 

[yankeesince59]

Personally, I think your only shot is to run in drag.

...Sly said that Barfo looks hot in a peach colored camisole.

 

[yankeesince59]

Why do you think the worst candidate ever was able to beat the Clinton Corrupt Machine and the 16? or so, other established candidates?

Voters are tired of politicians feeding them load of crap and never getting anything accomplished.

To me it doesnt matter what party or how eloquent a person is, any President should be measure by metric and if he can get things done that he said he would do.
What gets measured gets done!

...what campaign promises has Trump kept?

 

[barfo]

...Sly said that Barfo looks hot in a peach colored camisole.

Fake news. Dogs are colorblind.

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

...what campaign promises has Trump kept?

I didn't vote for the guy and don't like his persona much but I will give credit where credit is due and its just my opinion so don't get to riled up.

He has help cut regulations that have helped the economy. It also has helped companies come back to the States.
Weather we like it or not he did cut taxes, which I'm in favor of as a small government proponent.
No more death tax.
It looks like he has put the hurt on ISIS.
After many Presidents talked about (both sides too) moving US embassy to Jerusalem, its now done.
Has been able to negotiate better deal with Mexico, that helps both countries.
Put the heat on Euro's to take on fair share of financing NATO.
He will now take on the cost of prescription drugs.
Trump is definitely rough and chaotic and not real diplomatically polished and I don't agree with all his positions and would prefer a libertarian President, but I'm honest enough to recognize some accomplishments.
In business I always conveyed to my employees to never get caught up in bad mouthing the competition, as kit doesn't reflect well imo.

Listen Obama & Clinton did some great things too and voters kept them in office.

 

[dviss1]

Yes and no. There is a strong base in the south that still believe women should stay home, raise kids and have the dinner on the table by 6pm. Definitely not a majority, but enough to effect an election.

This is true. But again, they're already Trump's base.

 

[dviss1]

I think you misread my post. I didn't say everyone who voted against Clinton did so because she was a woman. And certainly not you personally.

But there were a lot who did. I wasn't even suggesting it was the main reason she lost. But it is a major headwind for any female candidate, including Warren.

And often a major headwind is all it takes to doom a candidate. Obama had a similar sort of headwind, but overcame it by being an excellent candidate in many other ways.

barfo

I guess maybe I didn't explain properly. I think you're discounting the people who voted for her only because she's a woman.

 

[dviss1]

I didn't vote for the guy and don't like his persona much but I will give credit where credit is due and its just my opinion so don't get to riled up.

He has help cut regulations that have helped the economy. It also has helped companies come back to the States.
Weather we like it or not he did cut taxes, which I'm in favor of as a small government proponent.
No more death tax.
It looks like he has put the hurt on ISIS.
After many Presidents talked about (both sides too) moving US embassy to Jerusalem, its now done.
Has been able to negotiate better deal with Mexico, that helps both countries.
Put the heat on Euro's to take on fair share of financing NATO.
He will now take on the cost of prescription drugs.
Trump is definitely rough and chaotic and not real diplomatically polished and I don't agree with all his positions and would prefer a libertarian President, but I'm honest enough to recognize some accomplishments.
In business I always conveyed to my employees to never get caught up in bad mouthing the competition, as kit doesn't reflect well imo.

Listen Obama & Clinton did some great things too and voters kept them in office.

Looks like you got that off of a pro trump site.

You know the estate tax still exists right?

 

[MarAzul]

Why do you think the worst candidate ever was able to beat the Clinton Corrupt Machine and the 16? or so, other established candidates?

Voters are tired of politicians feeding them load of crap and never getting anything accomplished.

To me it doesnt matter what party or how eloquent a person is, any President should be measure by metric and if he can get things done that he said he would do.
What gets measured gets done!
If you don't know where you are going, you will end up somewhere else!

The demos need a better platform to run on, one that should, imo, focus on the economy and national security (both generic issues) that the American people view as important.
If any party gets way extreme right or way extreme left, they don't stand a very good chance in winning new voters.

In business I always wanted to not only keep existing customers, but consistently recruit new ones, both take work and sometimes different strategies and often a different approach.

I think I agree with what you say.
But just to be clear, I don't want anything a Democrat or a socialist might promise.

So when they do get elected, not filling any campaign promises is a good deal!

 

[MarAzul]

...what campaign promises has Trump kept?

Conservative judges.
Business tax rates more competitive with the rest of the world.
Others in progress.

 

[CupWizier]

Well its complicated and I agree that saying people are just misogamists is really missing the point because its mostly not true in that is why she lost the election.

Part of it IS that she is a woman. For some people misogyny is blatant and they dont think women are as capable as men, but for most people its latent and they are more likely to believe bullshit about people of genders, races, or other backgrounds they cant identify with.

Part of it was she did Bernie dirty. Hilary owned the power structure in the DNC both financially and ideologically and was at the very least complicate in the effort to suppress Bernie's message. Which alienated his base. Bernie never had a chance and it put a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. Had someone like Bernie not come along then it didnt matter, but he did and it did.

Part of it was Obama. He put the DNC in dire straights financially after his 2012 campaign and didnt fundraiser for them like he should have. That set the stage for the Clinton's to bail them out and for them it made sense to do so since she was likely "next in line".

Part of was she was a woman. I know I already said this, but from a different angle there were many people who wanted a woman president so bad that they did some bad shit to Bernie, blamed Bernie bros and ignored threats by the Trump base, all so they could make it happen. Hillary was their Jesus just Trump is some peoples Jesus and neither can do any wrong in their eyes. (Fuck Wasserman Shults by the way)

Part of it was her campaign strategy. She ignored white middle america, against the advice of Obama and Bill. She played her hand on Obama numbers expecting that his votes would be hers. She thought the demographics of the country had changed enough that she didnt need to waste her time mitigating her losses to that segment of our country.

Part of it was a decade long character defamation strategy by the conservatives. After Hilary lost the nomination to Obama it was widely considered that Hillary was "next". The conservative propaganda machine went into overdrive to discredit her and through shit in direction to weaken her likability and eventual chances. When you say things enough people just start believing them, 1o years of things like Benghazi still have people hating her for reasons that are just untrue.

Part of it was the Russian hackers social media manipulation. How much Trump and other republicans were involved is debatable the fact that Russians did it and are still doing it is not debatable. Republicans benefit though and so they mind to much, but it weakens our country as a whole so the Russians are laughing at us.

Part of it was (and this is my tin foil hat conspiracy) is that it was outright stolen from her. Our voting system is so easy to hack and manipulate, its been done before. Republicans have been rigging the system in their favor and stealing elections since 2000 or even before.

Hillary was pretty much next though and it really took the perfect storm of events to overcome her beating Trump.

One thing that keeps being forgotten with Sanders is that he really isn't a Democrat but only ran as a Democrat to have the backing as independents have very little chance at being elected as a president.. Once he lost he went back to being independent. He also didn't raise near as much money as Clinton did for the Democratic party.