Politics Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing, now with New allegations!

[barfo]

A thought on the current state of things.

FBI is doing an outrageously shabby sham of an investigation, refusing to talk to various witnesses and even the key players.

Why? Well, obviously because that's what the White House ordered.

Why did the White House order that?

Theory 1 (the usual one): because they want to railroad the nomination through and are afraid that the FBI might find something if they let them loose. So do a quick attempt to whitehousewash the situation, and then vote him in.

The trouble with that theory is that everyone already knows that's what's going on, and the Dems will obviously launch an investigation of the investigation as of January. Kav is super unpopular now, and there will be a price to pay in the midterms.

Theory 2: they have counted the votes and already have accepted that Kavanaugh will not get confirmed. Therefore it is in their best interest to hurry the process up so that they can get someone else nominated. They figure as long as Kavanaugh doesn't get confirmed, no one will care about the slapdash investigation.

barfo

 

[yankeesince59]

...and oh, nice edit....lmfao.

 

[yankeesince59]

Yes. Motive is the reason for doing something, and having something to gain is just having something to gain.

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..."CLEAN UP ON AISLE 5!"

 

[yankeesince59]

A thought on the current state of things.

FBI is doing an outrageously shabby sham of an investigation, refusing to talk to various witnesses and even the key players.

Why? Well, obviously because that's what the White House ordered.

Why did the White House order that?

Theory 1 (the usual one): because they want to railroad the nomination through and are afraid that the FBI might find something if they let them loose. So do a quick attempt to whitehousewash the situation, and then vote him in.

The trouble with that theory is that everyone already knows that's what's going on, and the Dems will obviously launch an investigation of the investigation as of January. Kav is super unpopular now, and there will be a price to pay in the midterms.

Theory 2: they have counted the votes and already have accepted that Kavanaugh will not get confirmed. Therefore it is in their best interest to hurry the process up so that they can get someone else nominated. They figure as long as Kavanaugh doesn't get confirmed, no one will care about the slapdash investigation.

barfo

...yup, the WH has clearly throttled this feigned "investigation"....the FBI answers to Trump...and when the FBI is done guess where that report goes before it goes to The Senate.?...yup.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

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..."CLEAN UP ON AISLE 5!"

You shit your diapers again?

 

[yankeesince59]

You shit your diapers again?

...no, but there's a guy with a mop on aisle 5 cleaning up your latest bowel movement.

 

[dviss1]

But even they are innocent till proven guilty

When are y'all gonna stop with this bullshit???

I mean really. He isn't on trial. He's in a special interview for a special job and he's failing miserably.

Is Kavanaugh the best the conservatives can do? If so, it speaks volumes.

 

[BrianFromWA]

A thought on the current state of things.

FBI is doing an outrageously shabby sham of an investigation, refusing to talk to various witnesses and even the key players.

Why? Well, obviously because that's what the White House ordered.

Why did the White House order that?

Theory 1 (the usual one): because they want to railroad the nomination through and are afraid that the FBI might find something if they let them loose. So do a quick attempt to whitehousewash the situation, and then vote him in.

The trouble with that theory is that everyone already knows that's what's going on, and the Dems will obviously launch an investigation of the investigation as of January. Kav is super unpopular now, and there will be a price to pay in the midterms.

From what I've read (I'll try to find a link) McConnell will punt the House to push through Kavanaugh and keep the Senate. From the polling in WV and ND, they may get the 50 votes without Flake and Collins now, and there's a non-zero chance they pick up a few seats in Nov.

Theory 2: they have counted the votes and already have accepted that Kavanaugh will not get confirmed. Therefore it is in their best interest to hurry the process up so that they can get someone else nominated. They figure as long as Kavanaugh doesn't get confirmed, no one will care about the slapdash investigation. barfo

I don't think so, but just based on timing. Assuming today they said "Kavanaugh's out, Barrett is the new nominee" it takes about 2 months to confirm even with a squeaky-clean record, which puts the vote in DEC after the midterms. Do you think there'd be a way that they could get 50 lame-duck votes? I think that the D's (justifiably) would say "we're not confirming anyone until the new Senate is seated--elections have consequences"

 

[dviss1]

Your reading comprehension off?

I'm saying it's a bullshit argument because he isn't in trial.

 

[yankeesince59]

From what I've read (I'll try to find a link) McConnell will punt the House to push through Kavanaugh and keep the Senate. From the polling in WV and ND, they may get the 50 votes without Flake and Collins now, and there's a non-zero chance they pick up a few seats in Nov.


I don't think so, but just based on timing. Assuming today they said "Kavanaugh's out, Barrett is the new nominee" it takes about 2 months to confirm even with a squeaky-clean record, which puts the vote in DEC after the midterms. Do you think there'd be a way that they could get 50 lame-duck votes? I think that the D's (justifiably) would say "we're not confirming anyone until the new Senate is seated--elections have consequences"

...which is why it is so important that people vote. We can complain all we want but we absolutely must vote.

 

[MarAzul]

A thought on the current state of things.

FBI is doing an outrageously shabby sham of an investigation, refusing to talk to various witnesses and even the key players.

Why? Well, obviously because that's what the White House ordered.

Why did the White House order that?

Theory 1 (the usual one): because they want to railroad the nomination through and are afraid that the FBI might find something if they let them loose. So do a quick attempt to whitehousewash the situation, and then vote him in.

The trouble with that theory is that everyone already knows that's what's going on, and the Dems will obviously launch an investigation of the investigation as of January. Kav is super unpopular now, and there will be a price to pay in the midterms.

Theory 2: they have counted the votes and already have accepted that Kavanaugh will not get confirmed. Therefore it is in their best interest to hurry the process up so that they can get someone else nominated. They figure as long as Kavanaugh doesn't get confirmed, no one will care about the slapdash investigation.

barfo

Ha! Reality theory.
It is time to vote, get this proven conservative text reading judge on the court. He will be there probably 30 years or so, depending on how much beer he takes.

That's a win for the rule of law in this nation.

If the vote fails, put the next text reading judge up for nomination and return to the above.
The nation will eventually win by assuring the rule of law for the next 30 years or so.




Forget about impeachment for the small shit. 67 Senators are not going to do a screw up of that magnitude.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Is Kavanaugh the best the conservatives can do? If so, it speaks volumes.

He's one of many qualified people. My guess is that many of the R's don't like that this looks like a political trumped-up (no pun intended) allegation to defeat someone because the D's don't like Trump getting another Justice (and think they can hold off until Jan or 2021), and are pushing back on general principle. A good question for me is: "Is this the hill you want to die on?" I don't think Barrett or Thupar (no name two qualified people on the 'short list') would get this particular sex-assault allegation, but I don't think Maize Hirono and Cory Booker, to name 2, are voting for either of them. So why try to appease those folks?

 

[Hoopguru]

The extreme left has always been

When are y'all gonna stop with this bullshit???

I mean really. He isn't on trial. He's in a special interview for a special job and he's failing miserably.

Is Kavanaugh the best the conservatives can do? If so, it speaks volumes.

Im sure there are more conservative candidates than Kav for sure.
Im not one to totally buy the "its a job interview" deal as its just to easy for either side to start a smear campaign, one right after the other and indefinitely. So they can be tried in the view of public opinion.
Its apparent to me neither side will be unbiased and put the good of the Country First and offer a balanced solution.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm saying it's a bullshit argument because he isn't in trial.

Yes, I know. At the end of the process he will be guilty of nothing. No impediments on record.

 

[barfo]

From what I've read (I'll try to find a link) McConnell will punt the House to push through Kavanaugh and keep the Senate. From the polling in WV and ND, they may get the 50 votes without Flake and Collins now, and there's a non-zero chance they pick up a few seats in Nov.

Not sure about that (but, literally, I'm not sure). It seems to me if any of Flake/Murkowski/Collins vote no, that gives red state dems a lot of cover to also vote no.
So I don't think he gets in on a split vote. On the polling, no question that ND is in play, but I haven't seen anything too scary in WV.

I don't think so, but just based on timing. Assuming today they said "Kavanaugh's out, Barrett is the new nominee" it takes about 2 months to confirm even with a squeaky-clean record, which puts the vote in DEC after the midterms. Do you think there'd be a way that they could get 50 lame-duck votes? I think that the D's (justifiably) would say "we're not confirming anyone until the new Senate is seated--elections have consequences"

D's will say that after the midterms, but that won't stop McConnell from forcing it through, if he has the R votes (and I think he would, assuming a 'normal' nominee is chosen (e.g. one of Barrett, Hardiman, Kethledge, etc). McConnell has no problem whatsoever with rank hypocrisy.

barfo

 

[barfo]

He's one of many qualified people. My guess is that many of the R's don't like that this looks like a political trumped-up (no pun intended) allegation to defeat someone because the D's don't like Trump getting another Justice (and think they can hold off until Jan or 2021), and are pushing back on general principle. A good question for me is: "Is this the hill you want to die on?" I don't think Barrett or Thupar (no name two qualified people on the 'short list') would get this particular sex-assault allegation, but I don't think Maize Hirono and Cory Booker, to name 2, are voting for either of them. So why try to appease those folks?

That's the wrong question. It's Flake, Murkowski, and/or Collins you'd be appeasing with a less-tainted judge. If they are ok with Kavanaugh, then there's no need for an alternative.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

It seems like a Flake should be made aware of his possible next duty assignment.
Ambassador to Inuit people in Nunavut on Baffin Island at Iqaluit.
Of Course other appointment could be also possible.

 

[e_blazer]

The FBI investigation says it's true that he exposed his junk to her.

So again, your guy's a goddamn liar.

Say what? Where'd you get this given that the report hasn't been sent to the Senate yet, let alone been made public?

 

[yankeesince59]

Yes, I know. At the end of the process he will be guilty of nothing. No impediments on record.

...well if nothing else, if at the end of the process he is not confirmed, he should be charged with criminal stupidity because of the way he handled it.

 

[yankeesince59]

It seems like a Flake should be made aware of his possible next duty assignment.
Ambassador to Inuit people in Nunavut on Baffin Island at Iqaluit.
Of Course other appointment could be also possible.

...and if Kavanaugh is not confirmed, where will his next assignment be?

 

[CupWizier]

...and if Kavanaugh is not confirmed, where will his next assignment be?

Kavanaugh will be assigned to over see the off shore oil drilling in Bandon Oregon.

 

[dviss1]

And I never said it was her motive. And I am correct, as usual.

But misinterpretation and jumping to conclusions ahead of time seems to be you and your side's forte.

Just more Trump Derangement Syndrome

Dog, you have a lot of nonsensical arguments and you don't listen to common sense.

THAT is Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yes, I know. At the end of the process he will be guilty of nothing. No impediments on record.

Except maybe perjury. If the FBI investigation finds compelling evidence that he lied under oath, I wonder if he will actually be charged with a crime and tried, or if losing the nomination will be considered sufficient punishment.

BNM

 

[MarAzul]

Except maybe perjury. If the FBI investigation finds compelling evidence that he lied under oath, I wonder if he will actually be charged with a crime and tried, or if losing the nomination will be considered sufficient punishment.

BNM

Dun no! A pardon wipes it clean anyway.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Dun no! A pardon wipes it clean anyway.

So, breaking the law only matters when it's someone on the other side of the aisle. Nice. So much for the rule of law.

BNM

 

[MarAzul]

So, breaking the law only matters when it's someone on the other side of the aisle. Nice. So much for the rule of law.

BNM

Actually, in my view, a couple of those Senators running their mouth off, got off easy. Booker and Blumenthal actually deserved a punch in the mouth for their part.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Actually, in my view, a couple of those Senators running their mouth off, got off easy. Booker and Blumenthal actually deserved a punch in the mouth for their part.

This isn't about someone deserving to be punched, it's about breaking the law. Of course, we don't know what will be in the FBI's report, or even what they are actually investigating, which is why I asked it as a question: if there is compelling evidence in the report that Kavanaugh lied under oath, should he be charged with, and tried for, committing perjury? If not, why not?

BNM

 

[dviss1]

He's one of many qualified people. My guess is that many of the R's don't like that this looks like a political trumped-up (no pun intended) allegation to defeat someone because the D's don't like Trump getting another Justice (and think they can hold off until Jan or 2021), and are pushing back on general principle. A good question for me is: "Is this the hill you want to die on?" I don't think Barrett or Thupar (no name two qualified people on the 'short list') would get this particular sex-assault allegation, but I don't think Maize Hirono and Cory Booker, to name 2, are voting for either of them. So why try to appease those folks?

He's not qualified. You only think that because Republicans said it. He's a partisan hack who should've never been awarded his current job key alone the SCOTUS.

He lied in his 2006 confirmation hearing too!

He's never been fit.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Dog, you have a lot of nonsensical arguments and you don't listen to common sense.

THAT is Trump Derangement Syndrome.

You literally made up facts today.

 

[dviss1]

Actually, in my view, a couple of those Senators running their mouth off, got off easy. Booker and Blumenthal actually deserved a punch in the mouth for their part.

So it's not because his face is punchable?