Politics Kentucky police raid and abduct 10 children from parents

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Natebishop3 said:
But in this case the parents are "forcing" their kids to live in squalor. I support off the grid living as well, but if you already have kids then it has to be done in a healthy and safe environment. If it was just some dude, living out on his own, then go right ahead. I couldn't care less.

And yes, like I said, I don't know the full details. It seems like the family has one story, and the cops have another. I don't know what really happened.
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I do not support any parent to put their children's health at risk. But I also do not support a government that can decide what's best for people, violating their rights in process. Yes, sometimes the process doesn't work, where parents abuse or neglect their children. But if the government can violate these people's rights, what's going to stop them from violating a truly innocent family?

I've seen CPS come in and take kids away from parents that were innocent in California, sending them to foster homes and forcing the family to spend large amounts of money to get them back. After the dust settled, they were in debt and the government didn't even say "my bad". This is what I fear in our society.
 
magnifier661 said:
I do not support any parent to put their children's health at risk. But I also do not support a government that can decide what's best for people, violating their rights in process. Yes, sometimes the process doesn't work, where parents abuse or neglect their children. But if the government can violate these people's rights, what's going to stop them from violating a truly innocent family?

I've seen CPS come in and take kids away from parents that were innocent in California, sending them to foster homes and forcing the family to spend large amounts of money to get them back. After the dust settled, they were in debt and the government didn't even say "my bad". This is what I fear in our society.
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I agree that the government shouldn't be telling you how to raise your kids, but come on Mags, there's some very basic things that every parent should provide for their kids. Putting 10 kids into a shack that consists of a few sharpened sticks and a tarp is NOT a healthy environment for small children. If it was at least a real log cabin, that would be one thing, but there has to be a standard of living. Are the kids getting enough to eat? Are they clothed? Are they protected from the elements? I think at some point the government does need to step in, or a relative, to say "enough is enough."
 
Natebishop3 said:
I agree that the government shouldn't be telling you how to raise your kids, but come on Mags, there's some very basic things that every parent should provide for their kids. Putting 10 kids into a shack that consists of a few sharpened sticks and a tarp is NOT a healthy environment for small children. If it was at least a real log cabin, that would be one thing, but there has to be a standard of living. Are the kids getting enough to eat? Are they clothed? Are they protected from the elements? I think at some point the government does need to step in, or a relative, to say "enough is enough."
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I'm not quite sure why you keep over-looking my comment on agreeing the government being able to step in, as long as it doesn't violate the civil liberties of its citizens. If there was no "due process", like search warrants or probable cause, etc. Then the government are fucking assholes, even if it was for the good of those kids. Getting a warrant would be easy in this case. If the government had warrants or orders, why not post them? It would put an end to the viral injustice as quickly as it went viral.
 
magnifier661 said:
I'm not quite sure why you keep over-looking my comment on agreeing the government being able to step in, as long as it doesn't violate the civil liberties of its citizens. If there was no "due process", like search warrants or probable cause, etc. Then the government are fucking assholes, even if it was for the good of those kids. Getting a warrant would be easy in this case. If the government had warrants or orders, why not post them? It would put an end to the viral injustice as quickly as it went viral.
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And I keep saying we don't know all the details.

Maybe they don't discuss a case that's active?
 
Natebishop3 said:
And I keep saying we don't know all the details.

Maybe they don't discuss a case that's active?
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The court knows the details and ruled against the family.

All the rest is noise.
 
Denny Crane said:
Wasn't a jury in this case.

There may be noise on both sides in the press, but in the court both sides were heard and the family ruled against.

I don't think the courts are interested in taking children away from their families. They'd see it as a last resort.
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Ahhh yes... Bad example on my part.
 
Cops don't need a warrant to ask questions. Nor do they need a warrant to observe what is in plain sight.

My educated guess: they saw enough during their conversation to leave the property and request an electronic warrant for a more complete search. The woman tried to flee with the kids, and the cops believed they had probable cause to detain her for the safety of the kids. The other possibility is that the woman had no valid driver's license, registration, plates, etc. That would be sufficient legal grounds to stop her from driving away.

None of that is justification for use of excessive force on a pregnant woman. If that is what happened, the cops should be held accountable for that.
 
Apparently none of you has ever seen an actual pig sty.

The selected pictures meant to present the worst impression simply show a very tidy campsite and an extremely clean looking kitchen area for summer cooking.

The supposedly abused or neglected children appear in the photo to be maybe the healthiest bunch of kids I've ever seen.
 
Seems like the kind of place realtors make a living selling in central Oregon.
 
Ha! I guess you boys would have had a fit if you had seen my place before I got the house up. Maybe just freaked out.
 
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