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I don't have to backtrack.

The one trick pony bit was a personal attack. I let those slide because it is political talk.
That belongs somewhere else. Seriously, what's the matter with you? WTF does your hatred for Hillary Clinton have to do with this thread?

Edit: Never mind. Please don't answer that. Sorry I asked. I should know better than to sucked in by trolls. My bad.
 
That belongs somewhere else. Seriously, what's the matter with you? WTF does your hatred for Hillary Clinton have to do with this thread?

Edit: Never mind. Please don't answer that. Sorry I asked. I should know better than to sucked in by trolls. My bad.

LOL

The similarity is using a charity as a slush fund. Nobody has a problem with Washington getting busted.

This is in OT. I wouldn't have said anything if it were in the main Blazers forum. It could have been posted there, IMO.

No need to get into it any more than that.
 
LOL

The similarity is using a charity as a slush fund. Nobody has a problem with Washington getting busted.

This is in OT. I wouldn't have said anything if it were in the main Blazers forum. It could have been posted there, IMO.

No need to get into it any more than that.
What? How did I end up in the OT section.

Clearly I'm lost.

My apologies.

:cheers:
 
What? How did I end up in the OT section.

Clearly I'm lost.

My apologies.

:cheers:

It's since been moved to the Blazers' forum. Or I misread that it was in OT in the first place...
 
Just to get everyone on the same page.

There was a thread about Kermit Washington being arrested in the Blazer forum. There was also one created in the OT section. Denny, like he tends to do in all of the OT threads, posted about Hillary in the OT kermit thread. Since they were both about Kermit and he has multiple connections to the Blazers I merged both threads into the Blazer forum.
 
You can backtrack all you want Denny. I don't mind vigorous debate. But you called me a liar. Below the belt. I'm outta here.
Being called a liar is below the belt now??
 
Stevenson, you want me to go kick Denny in the balls for you? I fly over his house every day and look down at him through a telescope.
 
What a crazy ass world. Rape gets 6 months (3 with time off for good behavior) and this gets 40 years? Clearly property is worth more than women. Not that I'm surprised.
 
LOL

The similarity is using a charity as a slush fund. Nobody has a problem with Washington getting busted.

This is in OT. I wouldn't have said anything if it were in the main Blazers forum. It could have been posted there, IMO.

No need to get into it any more than that.

I think the point is, and I agree, that if you are sophisticated enough and have a good legal team, you can get away with this for years on a much larger scale. Washington's offense was that he didn't have good enough lawyers.
 
So..... Trump can do this exact same thing and not deal with any consequences... M'erica...
 
LOL

The similarity is using a charity as a slush fund. Nobody has a problem with Washington getting busted.

This is in OT. I wouldn't have said anything if it were in the main Blazers forum. It could have been posted there, IMO.

No need to get into it any more than that.

Donald trump did the same thing... With MILITARY donations...
 
Man, the guy had me fooled. For several years I listen to Kermit & Mychal on the radio, and he always struck me as straight up honest guy.
I remember him coming back from Africa and giving really cool nice updates on the work he was doing in Africa.
I wonder if he had addiction issue to finance?
Oh well, Im a firm believer in giving people second chances but I would have thought he'd look at the Rudy deal as a close call and to prove to many he was a humble sincere person.
The bigger they are the harder they fall!
 
Anyone who voted for the ASSHAT in the White House shouldn't say one negative thing about Kermit.
 
Anyone who voted for the ASSHAT in the White House shouldn't say one negative thing about Kermit.
I voted for Clintons twice and regret it big time. Crooks.
No, I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary.
 
Finder's fees are illegal in many cases. It depends on whom is paying whom.

In Oregon, a Realtor cannot pay a finder's fee to anyone other than another Realtor. And it differs whether the other Realtor is in state or out of state.

I cannot pay a finder's fee to a client who recommends me or a friend who recommends me.

I assume there are similar restrictions for lawyers. :dunno:


Either the money was meant to improve lives of people in Africa, and, well, things went astray...or it was a pre-conceived criminal enterprise.

The former means people may have actually died due to the thefts and he deserves jail, the latter means he's a thug and deserves jail.

Hiliar gets away with those things regularly.

Is Michael Cohen’s Essential Consultants L.L.C. a Slush Fund for Donald Trump?

Sometimes the most convoluted question, when it comes to the financial dealings that swirl around President Donald Trump, is the most basic: Who is paying whom? The follow-up, which can be even more troubling, is: And for what? These questions arose, again, on Tuesday night, in a series of revelations that began with a tweet from Michael Avenatti, the lawyer representing Stephanie Clifford, the adult-film actress and director known as Stormy Daniels, in her fight to void a hush agreement about her relationship with Trump. The revelations involved Essential Consultants, a Delaware limited liability company that Michael Cohen, Trump’s personal attorney, had set up as a vehicle to pay Clifford a hundred and thirty thousand dollars. As it turns out, companies such as A.T. & T., Novartis, Korea Aerospace Industries, and Columbus Nova—whose largest client is a company controlled by the Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, who is under U.S. sanctions—had made payments to Essential Consultants adding up to more than four million dollars. There does not appear to be any legitimate business rationale for these payments (the emphasis there being on the word “legitimate”). In short, the account that was depleted to pay for Clifford’s silence was filled up again to pay—whom?

Put another way, did the Russians and A.T. & T. inadvertently help to pay for Clifford’s silence? Tuesday’s revelations felt a bit like the moment, in November, 1986, when it was revealed that the money from the Reagan Administration’s secret sale of weapons to Iran (in the interest of freeing American hostages) had been diverted to, of all people, the Nicaraguan Contras.

The companies have offered varying explanations for their payments, none of them persuasive. A.T. & T. said that it wanted “insights” into the Trump Administration; that is not something you pay the President’s personal attorney to give you, under any circumstances. (Did the company expect the lowdown on Trump’s next moves? That would possibly be a violation of attorney-client privilege.) It is particularly not something you pay for when, as was the case with A.T. & T., you are trying to get Cohen’s client’s other subordinates to approve a merger. That might be topped by Korea Aerospace’s statement saying that it had turned to Essential Consultants for advice on meeting “accounting standards on production costs.” Korea Aerospace, alongside Lockheed Martin, is currently competing for a defense contract. Columbus Nova, acknowledging to the Times that it had paid Essential Consultants a “consulting fee,” concentrated on denying that the payment had anything to do with Vekselberg. Novartis said that it was looking for advice on medical matters—from Cohen, whose experience in this field, as Rolling Stone recently reported, has involved doing legal work for clinics that were, essentially, insurance-fraud mills. (Essential Consultants was also involved in payments that Elliott Broidy, a former Republican National Committee finance-committee member, made to a woman who was not his wife.)

There are other possible explanations. One is that the companies were paying Essential Consultants because they thought that Cohen could influence Trump, because Trump respected his advice. This scenario is not without shadiness. Cohen does not appear to be a registered lobbyist; and the documentation that Avenatti obtained indicates that Essential Consultants’ dealings were misrepresented to banks.

Another explanation is that the companies were paying Essential Consultants because they thought that, for all intents and purposes, it was Trump.

Some support for this view comes from Rudolph Giuliani, who told the Washington Post that the basic setup between Cohen and Trump was that Cohen would pay for the Clifford hush agreement and similar Trump expenses—“there probably were other things of a personal nature that Michael took care of”—and Trump, one way or the other, “was always going to make sure he got it back.” Giuliani added that getting it back meant enough to cover taxes and “a fee” for Cohen. (According to the Times, Cohen used some of Essential Consultants’ revenues for expenses such as a Mercedes-Benz and fees for a private club—an interesting venue for brushing up on “accounting standards.”)

Cohen, in this scenario, was just doing the paperwork and providing a vehicle for payments. If there is anything else the companies that paid him were getting, they need to offer better explanations. To put the matter most bluntly, if Cohen was Trump’s bagman, was Essential Consultants anything more than the bag?

This returns to the basic who-is-paying-whom question. Trump, at one point, said that he did not know where the money that Cohen used to pay Clifford came from. Perhaps he just let other people take care of the getting-it-back-to-Michael part; using other people’s money is a prime Trump business directive. But, again, Cohen took care of Trump’s problems—Trump’s expenses. That’s what he was being paid back for, and that is the transaction that the companies that paid him risk being drawn into.

This all starts to sound pretty much like the textbook definition of a slush fund. The amounts, by Trump standards, might not be so high—what’s two hundred thousand dollars to either him or A.T. & T.?—but, at least from Trump’s perspective, it is hard to calculate the premium on the availability of funds for the discreet payment of expenses of a “personal nature.” One reason that the Reagan Administration diverted money to the Contras was that it was hard, otherwise, to think of an inconspicuous place to put the cash. Money laundering, like influence peddling, can take many strange forms. Perhaps economists should get to work calculating the hush-fund multiplier effect—or perhaps prosecutors already are.
 
Is Michael Cohen’s Essential Consultants L.L.C. a Slush Fund for Donald Trump?

Sometimes the most convoluted question, when it comes to the financial dealings that swirl around President Donald Trump, is the most basic: Who is paying whom? The follow-up, which can be even more troubling, is: And for what? These questions arose, again, on Tuesday night, in a series of revelations that began with a tweet from Michael Avenatti, the lawyer representing Stephanie Clifford, the adult-film actress and director known as Stormy Daniels, in her fight to void a hush agreement about her relationship with Trump. The revelations involved Essential Consultants, a Delaware limited liability company that Michael Cohen, Trump’s personal attorney, had set up as a vehicle to pay Clifford a hundred and thirty thousand dollars. As it turns out, companies such as A.T. & T., Novartis, Korea Aerospace Industries, and Columbus Nova—whose largest client is a company controlled by the Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, who is under U.S. sanctions—had made payments to Essential Consultants adding up to more than four million dollars. There does not appear to be any legitimate business rationale for these payments (the emphasis there being on the word “legitimate”). In short, the account that was depleted to pay for Clifford’s silence was filled up again to pay—whom?

Put another way, did the Russians and A.T. & T. inadvertently help to pay for Clifford’s silence? Tuesday’s revelations felt a bit like the moment, in November, 1986, when it was revealed that the money from the Reagan Administration’s secret sale of weapons to Iran (in the interest of freeing American hostages) had been diverted to, of all people, the Nicaraguan Contras.

The companies have offered varying explanations for their payments, none of them persuasive. A.T. & T. said that it wanted “insights” into the Trump Administration; that is not something you pay the President’s personal attorney to give you, under any circumstances. (Did the company expect the lowdown on Trump’s next moves? That would possibly be a violation of attorney-client privilege.) It is particularly not something you pay for when, as was the case with A.T. & T., you are trying to get Cohen’s client’s other subordinates to approve a merger. That might be topped by Korea Aerospace’s statement saying that it had turned to Essential Consultants for advice on meeting “accounting standards on production costs.” Korea Aerospace, alongside Lockheed Martin, is currently competing for a defense contract. Columbus Nova, acknowledging to the Times that it had paid Essential Consultants a “consulting fee,” concentrated on denying that the payment had anything to do with Vekselberg. Novartis said that it was looking for advice on medical matters—from Cohen, whose experience in this field, as Rolling Stone recently reported, has involved doing legal work for clinics that were, essentially, insurance-fraud mills. (Essential Consultants was also involved in payments that Elliott Broidy, a former Republican National Committee finance-committee member, made to a woman who was not his wife.)

There are other possible explanations. One is that the companies were paying Essential Consultants because they thought that Cohen could influence Trump, because Trump respected his advice. This scenario is not without shadiness. Cohen does not appear to be a registered lobbyist; and the documentation that Avenatti obtained indicates that Essential Consultants’ dealings were misrepresented to banks.

Another explanation is that the companies were paying Essential Consultants because they thought that, for all intents and purposes, it was Trump.

Some support for this view comes from Rudolph Giuliani, who told the Washington Post that the basic setup between Cohen and Trump was that Cohen would pay for the Clifford hush agreement and similar Trump expenses—“there probably were other things of a personal nature that Michael took care of”—and Trump, one way or the other, “was always going to make sure he got it back.” Giuliani added that getting it back meant enough to cover taxes and “a fee” for Cohen. (According to the Times, Cohen used some of Essential Consultants’ revenues for expenses such as a Mercedes-Benz and fees for a private club—an interesting venue for brushing up on “accounting standards.”)

Cohen, in this scenario, was just doing the paperwork and providing a vehicle for payments. If there is anything else the companies that paid him were getting, they need to offer better explanations. To put the matter most bluntly, if Cohen was Trump’s bagman, was Essential Consultants anything more than the bag?

This returns to the basic who-is-paying-whom question. Trump, at one point, said that he did not know where the money that Cohen used to pay Clifford came from. Perhaps he just let other people take care of the getting-it-back-to-Michael part; using other people’s money is a prime Trump business directive. But, again, Cohen took care of Trump’s problems—Trump’s expenses. That’s what he was being paid back for, and that is the transaction that the companies that paid him risk being drawn into.

This all starts to sound pretty much like the textbook definition of a slush fund. The amounts, by Trump standards, might not be so high—what’s two hundred thousand dollars to either him or A.T. & T.?—but, at least from Trump’s perspective, it is hard to calculate the premium on the availability of funds for the discreet payment of expenses of a “personal nature.” One reason that the Reagan Administration diverted money to the Contras was that it was hard, otherwise, to think of an inconspicuous place to put the cash. Money laundering, like influence peddling, can take many strange forms. Perhaps economists should get to work calculating the hush-fund multiplier effect—or perhaps prosecutors already are.

Pulled from "The New Yorker"
 
To me this isn't a conservative v. liberal issue at all. There are many wealthy people (most politicians) who run charities, have the charities by everything they need in life (food, transportation, lodging) and then they save everything else it it ends up being 1000x what Kermit did, and they get away with it. Kermit was just sloppy so he's in jail. I don't think that is fair.
 
My wife's close friend is married to his son. Family is freaking out. Didn't know him well. Face to face, seemed like a great guy. Guess you never know.
 
Anyone who voted for the ASSHAT in the White House shouldn't say one negative thing about Kermit.

Yeah it is sad that he beat out about 15 republicans to get the nomination, but just as sad that the DNC rigged it so no one with a chance ran against Hillary. Both parties need to get their shit together and figure out the real reason why Trump is in the white house. Unfortunately neither is bright enough to change. I will continue to vote independent until they do .
 
How does Kermit Washington getting sent to prison for PLEADING GUILTY to a whole bunch of crap justify bringing the OT to the main forum?

IMO, Trump's a tool who likely has done some of the same crap, but he hasn't been charged and he certainly hasn't admitted wrongdoing.

I'm sorry Kermit got his ass in a sling, but it sounds like he put it there himself.
 
So? This story is on lots of outlets. You believe him about Stormy Daniels?

I think the source is important for people to know whether it is The New Yorker, Breitbart or Vox. Nothing more.
 
I think the source is important for people to know whether it is The New Yorker, Breitbart or Vox. Nothing more.

Why don't you do your own research on Trumps slush fund? Your Google search will be different than mine.

What can he do for you to not back him?

The MF had a fund to pay off people he's had affairs with or sexually assaulted.

What happens when Cohen talks??
 
How does Kermit Washington getting sent to prison for PLEADING GUILTY to a whole bunch of crap justify bringing the OT to the main forum?

IMO, Trump's a tool who likely has done some of the same crap, but he hasn't been charged and he certainly hasn't admitted wrongdoing.

I'm sorry Kermit got his ass in a sling, but it sounds like he put it there himself.

Because there's a double standard for some. Some think Kermit is a "Thug" for what he's done.

I'm wondering why the same logic isn't applied to the guy they voted for who's done worse.
 
Because there's a double standard for some. Some think Kermit is a "Thug" for what he's done.

I'm wondering why the same logic isn't applied to the guy they voted for who's done worse.
"They" is where you went wrong here. Who is they? You are arbitrarily using this unrelated story as an excuse to shit on Trump voters. There are no rallies being held against Kermit by this imaginary army of "theys". There is just you grabbing for straws (or poking people with them). You hate Trump, we get it. Quit attacking people or claiming that voting for trump somehow makes you a rape supporter, or someone who has no right to voice concern about it. It's complete nonsense.
 

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