Kesler wants out of Vancouver.

[SaveLundy]

well the torts fall out has begun in vancouver, not surprised. a premier center wants to hit the market.:MARIS61::MARIS61:

http://nhl.si.com/2014/02/26/report-ryan-kesler-requests-trade-from-vancouver-canucks/

 

[Ranger71]

This is going to be one of the more interesting trade deadlines in recent memory.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

I thought about a sign and trade with Cally there. However, I'm sure Cally was one of the guys who wanted Torts gone at the end of last year. I also believe Cally is real close with his family and he's not going to play way over there.

I would not trade Miller who is 20 in a deal for Kesler who makes a lot of money. The two teams are really not a match. Plus Kesler is a UFA after another couple of years and I don't think he's a NY guy.

I still think the Ducks, Kings, Blues or Penguins are the best match for a rental deal.

 

[Ranger71]

I would give up Stepan and Miller for him.

 

[chuckd3534]

Best thing about Kesler is he does not make a lot of money. He has two more years left on his deal at a 5 mill cap hit only. So his contract is a huge plus since he doesn't make a lot of money. So we can control him the next two seasons as we really go for it.

Would I deal a Miller or Stepan in a package for Kesler, I would given the fact that he doesn't make a lot of money, and we control him for two more seasons after this one.

As for this trade DL being active, I will believe it when I see it. A week before the DL a ton of big names are always thrown around, and usually most of them never get moved. Cally, Kesler, MSL, Vanek, Miller, maybe Girardi, Ott, Moulson. We'll see how many of these big names really move next week. I will put my money on very few.

 

[Ranger71]

Kesler with Nash and Kreider would be a tough line to deal with. Then if you grabbed Stastny for the 2nd line that would be a solid 1-2 punch next year and beyond.

 

[NYR31]

I'm a Kesler guy so i'd be all for trading him. If it costs Stepan, so be it. He (Stepan) is not all that great where you can't afford to trade him.

 

[theProdigy223]

Kesler with Nash and Kreider would be a tough line to deal with. Then if you grabbed Stastny for the 2nd line that would be a solid 1-2 punch next year and beyond.

Stasny is a possibility for this offseason, a Kelser trade is a lower possibility, but tying that much money up in both will never happen. Hopefully.

 

[NYR31]

after Statsny the centers available drops off significantly, which means he's going to get a nice, fat contract that will likely not align with our needs. This means if we trade for Kesler we'd need to do so without giving up Stepan who we'll need as the 2nd line C next year.

 

[Disturbed]

I actually think there is a match with Vancouver for Kesler for Stepan. I would absolutely trade Stepan for Kesler....I think AV loves Kesler too, he did well in his system.

Stepan is a good young player but Kesler is a better fit here and you still get 2 more seasons of Kesler at $5m after this.

This one makes sense for both teams

I agree it doesn't solve our #2C problem when Richards is bought out but it's still a move I make

 

[mrmel29]

Wow. Differing reports from players camp and team whether he is actually available but as chuck likes to say where theres smoke usually fire follows. That being said if stepan somehow gets us kesler this imo would be a no brainer. Waiting with abated breath to see if boomers prophecy of cally gone before tonights game comes true

 

[Ranger71]

Stastny won't get more than 7m with his numbers, so basically you're replacing Richards money with a better player and lesser term. Most of the upper echelon teams have about 11-12m tied up in their top 2 centers so you get what you put into it imo. They'd still have enough to give raises to the RFA's and sign Stralman and maybe a depth player.

 

[theProdigy223]

Stastny won't get more than 7m with his numbers, so basically you're replacing Richards money with a better player and lesser term. Most of the upper echelon teams have about 11-12m tied up in their top 2 centers so you get what you put into it imo. They'd still have enough to give raises to the RFA's and sign Stralman and maybe a depth player.

Yeah but those teams dont also have 7.8m tied up in a winger and 8.5 tied up in their goalie. Pass on Stasny at 7m which he is gonna get (if Kesler comes here)

 

[Ranger71]

I hear you, and they would have alot of money tied up in 4-5 players, but that would be very strong down the middle with Brassard and Lindberg also. I'm just not really sold on Stepan long term but maybe it's just an off year for him. If they did deal for Kesler I think he's the player Vancouver would want going back though.

 

[NYR31]

Yea, VAN is going to want a player who's ready to step into the roster and contribute right away, at least that's per the link in the OP. That takes away Lindberg, Fast and others in the farm and squarely puts Stepan as a top candidate to go.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

I thought Kesler broke his hand in Sochi

 

[theProdigy223]

Hagelin and Allen?

Unfortunately it would probably have to be Hagelin and Miller and not sure I want to do that if we're also losing Cally

 

[Ranger71]

Kesler did break his hand apparently, so the odds of this are reduced even further, probably a 10% chance i'd think. I don't think they'd do it for those two 223 but maybe they could keep Miller and send Kristo and pick with Stepan instead.

 

[theProdigy223]

yeah maybe, was just trying to figure out a way to keep Step

 

[Ranger71]

It's strange, Keslers numbers aren't all that much greater than Stepans but I guess he's a better all-around leader and physical player. Gartner used to talk about him like he was the next great thing.

 

[Ranger71]

Would we do Stepan, 1st and say Fast for Kesler and maybe a pick/prospect?

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Trading Stepan for Kesler is beyond stupid. Stepan is much younger, is more of a playmaker which we still need on this team and hasn't had some major injuries like Kesler has. I wouldn't offer anything more than a package of Callahan, Allen and Kristo. Nothing more. I think Kesler is another guy who is getting old fast.

 

[Disturbed]

Trading Stepan for Kesler is beyond stupid. Stepan is much younger, is more of a playmaker which we still need on this team and hasn't had some major injuries like Kesler has. I wouldn't offer anything more than a package of Callahan, Allen and Kristo. Nothing more. I think Kesler is another guy who is getting old fast.

Kesler is 29, he isn't that old. He has scored 70+ points twice and had a 40 goal season. He is bigger than Stepan and plays MUCH bigger. I like Stepan but I think he is what he is: a good 20 goal 40 pt playmaking center. Kesler even though he is 5 years older has more upside IMO. Kesler is also signed for 2 more seasons at a $5m cap hit. Find another 29 year old forward who has his size, 2 70+ pt seasons and a 40 goal season at a 5m cap hit that is available. For his style he has also been pretty durable. He only really missed last year, previous seasons are 77-82 games every year.

I agree that Cally has no interest in playing in Vancouver for Torts. Vancouver needs to start bringing in new talent. They are not going to move their biggest trade asset for a rental and spare parts.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

You don't trade a 23 year old center for a 29 year old center who has had major injury issues. It's stupid. Kesler isn't the player he was 4 years ago. He's getting old fast. Drury was washed up at about 31. I see the same for Kesler.

 

[Disturbed]

You don't trade a 23 year old center for a 29 year old center who has had major injury issues. It's stupid. Kesler isn't the player he was 4 years ago. He's getting old fast. Drury was washed up at about 31. I see the same for Kesler.

Disagree on Drury. They are also different players Dump. You could argue Drury had his BEST seasons 29-31 (he was 31 when he signed in NY). When he was 29 he was playing at a high level for Buffalo and Drury is closer to Callahan in style then Kesler. Drury is 5'10 and played like he was 6'3 (see Cally). Kesler is actually close to 6'3.

I get its dangerous to trade cheaper younger players but our window to win is the next 3 years. Stepan might prove me wrong and become a 70 pt guy. I don't think he will and I will take the chance with Kesler.

Kreider-Kesler-Nash. OMG, size speed and skill.

 

[Disturbed]

It's strange, Keslers numbers aren't all that much greater than Stepans but I guess he's a better all-around leader and physical player. Gartner used to talk about him like he was the next great thing.

Gartner dude....hahaha. I forgot about that guy. He was responsible for the board meltdowns before DDD. Man that was a long time ago

 

[NYR31]

Gartner dude....hahaha. I forgot about that guy. He was responsible for the board meltdowns before DDD. Man that was a long time ago

HAHA, GARTNER! when i first read 71's post it escaped me he was talking about the poster. What a clown that guy was, wow.

 

[Disturbed]

Yeah 31 I am trying to think back to some of his posts

He had all these comparisons of our players to other HOF players and said them as absolutes.

To his credit he hated Richards and didn't want us to sign him.....It was good stuff, I would love to hear what his other predictions were

 

[chuckd3534]

I am with Dis on this. You CANNOT let Stepan be the reason you don't deal for a player like Kesler. I also read the Pens are making a push for him.

We should go all in for Kesler. He doesn't make a lot of money. Is signed for the next two seasons. Plays next season at 30.

Stepan MAY get to 60 points, Kesler is a better play no doubt IMO.

Stepan, a decent prospect (NOT a top one), and a pick (maybe a 2nd or 3rd). That is what I would offer. That would be a great move for us IMO.

I still say all these rumors are just rumors. I'll believe these big names move when I see it.

But regardless of big names, Sather better do something. If we sit tight I will be pissed just like two years ago.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

I was a huge Kesler fan. However, he's not what he was. He's still a real good player but I don't see him being a force at 32. Stepan will be 26 then. I'll keep him.