Zombie Kevin Love?

[BonesJones]

I think for bigs it plays a decent role. Look at guys who got in last year Al Horford, Draymond Green, Kristaps, Anthony Davis, Giannis, sure theres a few who dont play defense well, like LMA (he’s gotten better on D though), KAT, Cousins. They are all supremely talented scorers though.
Love right now is injured, and we havent really seen him in a non lebron oriented scheme in a while. Love like Bosh before him had to sacrifice a lot of his game to fit in with Lebron.

Zachs got potential, but is he going to even be close to ready by the time his rookie contract is up? Zach still looks like he’s a year or two from taking off, if he does take off.

Those guys would've made it even if they were awful defenders. Horford and Green are do it all swiss-army knives offensively and were helped by team success.

Love is shooting terribly in the games he did play. He likely had to sacrifice to be on a winning team in general. Love isnt an all-star le el player right now. Hes a constantly injured stretch-4 who sucks on defense.

And how the hell is Zach not "close to ready" now? He has a positive impact already and hes not even a third of the way into his rookie contract.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Ok. This cake has baked. If that is the case, why would you want to bring in someone who is essentially the leftover crumbs of an old cake at that kind of price. Would he help in some ways? Yes. Is he going to make a significant difference? Perhaps on court but definitely in the salary flexibility (or lack thereof).

If this cake has baked and we're looking to make a new cake, let's not start with yesterday's leftovers please.

Gramps - “that kind of price” really? Leonard (dumping his contract is good), Harkless (dumping his contract is also good) so we are talking about Collins and a 1st pick (maybe 20th?) for Love. That’s a fantastic price!

And we can always sell off Love down the road whereby we cannot say the same for Leonard. If Love will add ANYTHING to Dame, CJ, Aminu and Nurk - I jump on such a trade.

 

[riverman]

 

[BonesJones]

Gramps - “that kind of price” really? Leonard (dumping his contract is good), Harkless (dumping his contract is also good) so we are talking about Collins and a 1st pick (maybe 20th?) for Love. That’s a fantastic price!

And we can always sell off Love down the road whereby we cannot say the same for Leonard. If Love will add ANYTHING to Dame, CJ, Aminu and Nurk - I jump on such a trade.

No to selling out for an often-injured player who's over 30 and 2ho sucks on defense while being inconsistent on offense. He wouldn't be the difference between where we are now and the WCF, so why sell out for him?

 

[SIeepwalker]

Gramps - “that kind of price” really? Leonard (dumping his contract is good), Harkless (dumping his contract is also good) so we are talking about Collins and a 1st pick (maybe 20th?) for Love. That’s a fantastic price!

I wouldn't trade Collins for Love straight up

 

[illmatic99]

I wouldn't trade Collins for Love straight up

see this is crazy to me

Especially when he's 21.

You really think Collins is going to be a star?

 

[Lanny]

Actually my dislike of Kevin is misdirected....it's his dad I can't stand

I watched his dad play in high school. His team played my school in the state playoffs in Eugene.
So, why don't you like Kevin's dad?

 

[wizenheimer]

I watched his dad play in high school. His team played my school in the state playoffs in Eugene.
So, why don't you like Kevin's dad?

wut?

Stan Love went to high school in LA

 

[riverman]

wut?

Stan Love went to high school in LA

Stan played for the Ducks from 68 to 72 I believe but graduated HS in LA...Danny Ainge went to South High School in Eugene..maybe this is who he played in HS...Stan was a bodyguard for the Beach Boys for years...read his brother Mike Love's book and you'll see Stan was a bully and a jerk...he would have made a great bad guy in Pulp Fiction

 

[BonesJones]

see this is crazy to me


You really think Collins is going to be a star?

You really think Love is still a star?

 

[oldmangrouch]

see this is crazy to me


You really think Collins is going to be a star?

Collins doesn't need to be a star. He is young, healthy, useful, and on a rookie contract. Love is breaking down, is on a heinous contract, and his offense is no longer good enough to carry his atrocious defense.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Those guys would've made it even if they were awful defenders. Horford and Green are do it all swiss-army knives offensively and were helped by team success.

Love is shooting terribly in the games he did play. He likely had to sacrifice to be on a winning team in general. Love isnt an all-star le el player right now. Hes a constantly injured stretch-4 who sucks on defense.

And how the hell is Zach not "close to ready" now? He has a positive impact already and hes not even a third of the way into his rookie contract.

I think Zach has potential but at this point he basically is just kind of there. He’ll make a shot once in a while or block a shot, but there are plenty of young guys in the nba who arw contributing much more than Zach does. Im not saying trade him for Love. I am not down on Zach but Im not really high on him either. He’s like the Blazers 8th man? Bench is basically ET, ML and Nik or Collins. I dont get why some Blazer fans seem to be all in on Zach, every time he gets called out for anything someone jumps on the he’s young you cant judge him stage, but then anyone who says they arent sold on him yet because he’s young and has basically done nothing is also called out.

Im firmly in the he’s a very average nba player, but he’s young so, he’ll probably get better group.

 

[blue9]

I think Zach has potential but at this point he basically is just kind of there. He’ll make a shot once in a while or block a shot, but there are plenty of young guys in the nba who arw contributing much more than Zach does. Im not saying trade him for Love. I am not down on Zach but Im not really high on him either. He’s like the Blazers 8th man? Bench is basically ET, ML and Nik or Collins. I dont get why some Blazer fans seem to be all in on Zach, every time he gets called out for anything someone jumps on the he’s young you cant judge him stage, but then anyone who says they arent sold on him yet because he’s young and has basically done nothing is also called out.

Im firmly in the he’s a very average nba player, but he’s young so, he’ll probably get better group.

So, like every single PF/C that's ever played under Stotts as HC?
I think Collins possesses all the traits to be exactly what a starting PF on a great team should be. But, he's the latest example in a recurring pattern of undeveloped big men.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So, like every single PF/C that's ever played under Stotts as HC?
I think Collins possesses all the traits to be exactly what a starting PF on a great team should be. But, he's the latest example in a recurring pattern of undeveloped big men.

You dont think Aldridge, RoLo, or Nurkic has performed under Stotts?

 

[blue9]

You dont think Aldridge, RoLo, or Nurkic has performed under Stotts?

I hated everything about the LA/Terry combo. IMO, LA had about 6 good weeks that earned him the nickname "LaMonster", but those six weeks happened under Nate. Terry came in thinking he could use LA like Dirk, and I knew from that very first summer that Terry was an idiot.
Rolo was the definition of average, and was pretty much the same player the day he left as the day he arrived (see also Ed Davis, Mason Plumlee). Nurk kinda regressed his first year under Terry, and now seems to be getting back to the player he was - but doesn't seem to be developing as a player.

 

[BonesJones]

I think Zach has potential but at this point he basically is just kind of there. He’ll make a shot once in a while or block a shot, but there are plenty of young guys in the nba who arw contributing much more than Zach does. Im not saying trade him for Love. I am not down on Zach but Im not really high on him either. He’s like the Blazers 8th man? Bench is basically ET, ML and Nik or Collins. I dont get why some Blazer fans seem to be all in on Zach, every time he gets called out for anything someone jumps on the he’s young you cant judge him stage, but then anyone who says they arent sold on him yet because he’s young and has basically done nothing is also called out.

Im firmly in the he’s a very average nba player, but he’s young so, he’ll probably get better group.

Hes the best bench player on the team. Right now, he has a 62.0 TS% on 14pts per 36, with great defense (1.3 DBPM, 1.1 BPM).

None of that is average at all. Hes an above average NBA player based on advanced stats and most peoples eye test, and you're out here saying hes "not ready".

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Hes the best bench player on the team. Right now, he has a 62.0 TS% on 14pts per 36, with great defense (1.3 DBPM, 1.1 BPM).

None of that is average at all. Hes an above average NBA player based on advanced stats and most peoples eye test, and you're out here saying hes "not ready".

Is 14 pts per36 really good now? 1.3dpbm isnt exactly elite.

For the Record Im not saying trade Zach for Love...

Just think this weird Zach is some untouchable type player thought is weird.

 

[BonesJones]

Is 14 pts per36 really good now? 1.3dpbm isnt exactly elite.

For the Record Im not saying trade Zach for Love...

Just think this weird Zach is some untouchable type player thought is weird.

I never said it was good, it's below average. But not low enough to say his efficiency on the season is due to small sample size, IMO.

I never said his defense was elite.

You literally said hes not ready. That's false, but youre not really debating that right now..

 

[illmatic99]

Collins doesn't need to be a star. He is young, healthy, useful, and on a rookie contract. Love is breaking down, is on a heinous contract, and his offense is no longer good enough to carry his atrocious defense.

He put up 18/9 and shot 42% from 3 just last season. Where did the sudden drop off come from? I think Zach's impact is being overstated. After his first few weeks this season, he's come crashing back down to earth.

Maybe Love isn't the right target, but by no means should Zach be considered untouchable. I think he's a great trading chip.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I never said it was good, it's below average. But not low enough to say his efficiency on the season is due to small sample size, IMO.

I never said his defense was elite.

You literally said hes not ready. That's false, but youre not really debating that right now..

Ready for what is the question. Can he be an ok guy off the bench? Yeah. I dont believe hes ready to be a solid starter, I wouldnt mind him starting so we can find out though. I dont think he’s anywhere close to Nurkic right now really on either end. So sure he’s ready enough to play 18 minutes a night, but he was sold as a foundational piece of the Blazers and he isnt even close to ready for that.

 

[wizenheimer]

Is 14 pts per36 really good now? 1.3dpbm isnt exactly elite.

For the Record Im not saying trade Zach for Love...

Just think this weird Zach is some untouchable type player thought is weird.

yeah, I tend to agree

Zach ranks 123rd in PER, 89th in rebound rate, 113th in winshare/48, and 112th in box plus minus. Those aren't terrible numbers, may even be 'above average' a bit, but they hardly justify 'untouchable'

as for defense, he ranks 54th among 93 NBA PF's in DRPM; and that's only good enough for 132nd among all NBA players, and DRPM is a stat that favors big men. In total RPM he ranks 154th and in RPM wins, 159th

Zach does rank 57th in block rate at 3.9%, but Harkless is at 3.8% and people want to trade him

I'm fine with keeping Zach and I suspect, if Portland is not able to dump salary, Olshey will let Aminu walk in the off-season. That would make Zach the default starting PF

 

[blue9]

Zach does rank 57th in block rate at 3.9%, but Harkless is at 3.8% and people want to trade him

That defines this forum so well. People will lambast the token whipping boy for the same things others get a pass (or praise!) for doing. If this forum is to be believe (it's not) Mo and CJ are trying to bring us down from within.

 

[BonesJones]

That defines this forum so well. People will lambast the token whipping boy for the same things others get a pass (or praise!) for doing. If this forum is to be believe (it's not) Mo and CJ are trying to bring us down from within.

Moe has been great defensively. People blaming him for our struggles are confusing correlation with causation, because are struggles have been primarily on the defensive end. I haven't been whipping Harkless for stuff that I've been praising Collins for. I've been praising both.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Kevin Love only has one more year remaining on his contract. Be prepared to see the “Kevin Love to Portland” thread back in action!

Which one?

This one?
There are about 10 different threads relating to Love to Portland. Shall we bump all of them?

Let’s just get the party started early, shall we?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

yeah, I tend to agree

Zach ranks 123rd in PER, 89th in rebound rate, 113th in winshare/48, and 112th in box plus minus. Those aren't terrible numbers, may even be 'above average' a bit, but they hardly justify 'untouchable'

as for defense, he ranks 54th among 93 NBA PF's in DRPM; and that's only good enough for 132nd among all NBA players, and DRPM is a stat that favors big men. In total RPM he ranks 154th and in RPM wins, 159th

Zach does rank 57th in block rate at 3.9%, but Harkless is at 3.8% and people want to trade him

I'm fine with keeping Zach and I suspect, if Portland is not able to dump salary, Olshey will let Aminu walk in the off-season. That would make Zach the default starting PF

Hello sir,

How does Zach look now?
Would he be a good backup center/pf acquisition?

 

[blazerkor]

Which one?

This one?
There are about 10 different threads relating to Love to Portland. Shall we bump all of them?

Let’s just get the party started early, shall we?

That was a reply to me saying that we needed to pick up an athletic stretch big like Mo Bamba. I don't want another 6'8" forward even if he is from the Portland Metropolitan Area. I think that this season both Trendon and Jabari have a chance to do what Love can now do better than Love can. Jabari especially is great at being less than ideally mobile for his size but hitting outside shots and doing the smart things on the court... I doubt he or Trendon have the outlet passes that Love does but I don't think I'd pay 28M more for outlet passes.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

That was a reply to me saying that we needed to pick up an athletic stretch big like Mo Bamba. I don't want another 6'8" forward even if he is from the Portland Metropolitan Area. I think that this season both Trendon and Jabari have a chance to do what Love can now do better than Love can. Jabari especially is great at being less than ideally mobile for his size but hitting outside shots and doing the smart things on the court... I doubt he or Trendon have the outlet passes that Love does but I don't think I'd pay 28M more for outlet passes.

But the thread is about Kevin Love. Check my first post in here today that quotes @BigGameDamian’s comment about Kevin Love threads resurfacing.
Bumping threads can be confusing though, huh?

 

[blazerkor]

But the thread is about Kevin Love. Check my first post in here today that quotes @BigGameDamian’s comment about Kevin Love threads resurfacing.
Bumping threads can be confusing though, huh?

I'm with you. I just didn't think @BigGameDamian should have ever mentioned him in a reply to my post since he's a terrible fit and not at all what I was saying we need. It was a pro bump by you but one you never should have had the opportunity to pull off.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I'm with you. I just didn't think @BigGameDamian should have ever mentioned him in a reply to my post since he's a terrible fit and not at all what I was saying we need. It was a pro bump by you but one you never should have had the opportunity to pull off.

Hahaha. I get it now. My own bump confused myself it seems. Thats funny!

 

[tykendo]

If he was bought out, and the Blazers could get him on a min. deal, he would be a nice veteran player who, in spots , could be relied on to hit clutch shots off the bench.