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Tired of people comparing every tall shooting Euro to Dirk Nowitzki


All these euro shooters turn out to be busts; huge list...


And this dude is a bust for sure no speed, no explosiveness, cant dribble, cant play d

wow makes shots here and there in euro league big deal

if Joe Alexander on the board and Nets pass on him for this bust ima flip
 
Ah, you're serious.

Let's say that Gallinari isn't the next Dirk. He's still compared favorably to, say, Bargnani.
 
i wouldnt mind danilo on the nets if he can make open shots! hehe i didnt kno we were like 13 million under the cap this supper... we actually have money to spend
elton brand?!!?
 
Elton Brand would be <u>awesome</u>.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Carter15Nets @ Jun 17 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tired of people comparing every tall shooting Euro to Dirk Nowitzki


All these euro shooters turn out to be busts; huge list...


And this dude is a bust for sure no speed, no explosiveness, cant dribble, cant play d

wow makes shots here and there in euro league big deal

if Joe Alexander on the board and Nets pass on him for this bust ima flip</div>
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He has plenty speed for a small forward. Yes, he's a small forward, point forward to be exact. He's not a sweet shooting big man. He's not very quick laterally. Neither is Nowitzki.
He's not ultra athletic, but he's explosive enough.

By the way, did you say that he can't dribble? Did you watch at least ONE video of him before you made this post?

Also, Tskitishvili is widely considered to be the absolute worst case scenario for a foreign big man. Gallinari speaks fluent English, is much better scouted than Tskitishvili and he is not a big man.
 
I don't know why people even respond to this garbage. Carter15Nets always makes pointless asinine threads to rile people up, get a life.
 
Hes overall probably just as good as a foreign prospect as Yi was last year. Probably not as athletic but more skilled.
 
Oh hey Carter15Nets, how have things been with you? Are you done with school yet? Any plans for the summer?
 
i love how he says there a huge list, then stops,

NAME THEM, ALL!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jun 17 2008, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh hey Carter15Nets, how have things been with you? Are you done with school yet? Any plans for the summer?</div>

yea for now

right now im just working


im also going to nba draft next week i seriously hope we get some good prospects im focused on 21 also if deandre falls take him worth the risk
 
Just a few points:

1. A top flight lottery pick is trying to manipulate the draft so he can play with the NETS...and people here are criticizing him for all manner of things?! HE WANTS TO PLAY FOR THE NETS. The teams picking at #3, #5 and #7 all had to wait for the Nets to take a look at him and none of them even got as limited look as he gave the Nets.

2. Nikoloz Tskitishvili averaged less than two points a game for his Italian League team...barely played. He was drafted based on his play in the FIBA youth tournaments and his workouts...not his performance. Gallinari averaged 17.5 ppg in the Italian League and was voted the Rising Star in the continent-wide Euroleague. He is the best young player in Europe. Lets repeat that: the best young player in Europe wants to play with the Nets.

3. Go back to that video and watch the move he makes at about 1:00 in. It's frightening. The ball seems to find the basket when it's in his hands. The problem, I guess, is that he's not (that) athletic. Nor was Larry Bird or Magic Johnson for that matter. They were basketball players, not great athletes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just a few points:

1. A top flight lottery pick is trying to manipulate the draft so he can play with the NETS...and people here are criticizing him for all manner of things?! HE WANTS TO PLAY FOR THE NETS. The teams picking at #3, #5 and #7 all had to wait for the Nets to take a look at him and none of them even got as limited look as he gave the Nets.

2. Nikoloz Tskitishvili averaged less than two points a game for his Italian League team...barely played. He was drafted based on his play in the FIBA youth tournaments and his workouts...not his performance. Gallinari averaged 17.5 ppg in the Italian League and was voted the Rising Star in the continent-wide Euroleague. He is the best young player in Europe. Lets repeat that: the best young player in Europe wants to play with the Nets.

3. Go back to that video and watch the move he makes at about 1:00 in. It's frightening. The ball seems to find the basket when it's in his hands. The problem, I guess, is that he's not (that) athletic. Nor was Larry Bird or Magic Johnson for that matter. They were basketball players, not great athletes.</div>

1. So, we such a battered puppy we should lower our standards and not criticize a guy because he might like us? Teams want to take a look at him, big deal. They should, that's their job. It'd be nice if he had the balls to go against other prospects.

2. Agreed, Skita is a dumb comparison.

3. Frightening? That weak, high dribble with low elevation will NOT work in the NBA. Magic Johnson wasn't athletic? Ooookay.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 17 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i wouldnt mind danilo on the nets if he can make open shots! hehe i didnt kno we were like 13 million under the cap this supper... we actually have money to spend
elton brand?!!?</div>
where did you here that? I'm getting us at only like 6 mil on an estimate, before we have to pay the picks.
 
What drivel.

You've never seen him play but you hate him because he's a European (and WHITE too). Does it matter one iota that you criticize him? to anyone? You ignore the fact that four teams above #10 want him. Balls? It's not about macho. It's about money...a good lesson for you. Gallinari understands that being in the marketing and media capital of the world will result in him making more money. Balls? Pure immature silliness. Balls? It's about being SMART.

You find me a 6'10" 19 year old in this draft that could make the move...other than POSSIBLY Beasley. There is NO ONE.

Magic Johnson was no more athletic than Bird, but Magic Johnson was black and thus has to be considered more athletic.
As Harvey Araton wrote in his book, fans adore athletes and downgrade basketball players.

Don't try to fool anyone: so much of this is about race. If he's white and a European, he must be soft, can't be an athlete.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jun 17 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 17 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i wouldnt mind danilo on the nets if he can make open shots! hehe i didnt kno we were like 13 million under the cap this supper... we actually have money to spend
elton brand?!!?</div>
where did you here that? I'm getting us at only like 6 mil on an estimate, before we have to pay the picks.
</div>

Nets would have to renounce all of their free agents and their first round picks to get that far under the cap.
 
Hey can we get over this whole your not a good pick because your not the best athlete available idea. Or should we get into the 100's of "best athletes in the draft" who have been complete busts. I'm content just waiting to see who we pick but judging from our picks the last few years, i'll be happy picking players who are polished and know how to play.
 
I like Gallanari, but I'm still concerned on how he'd fare against NBA players. And, didn't you say NI that any comparison to "Dirk-like" is a killer to the player?


needless to say, I'm all for drafting him at this point. The people complaining about him were the same people who complained that Nenad sucked when we drafted him, then were all over his jock as he got better, and then hated him again because of his injury.
 
umm in this article it says:

http://nbadraft.net/2008stateofthecapnewjersey001.asp


"As I said before, New Jersey obtained some expiring contracts for Kidd which will save them about $6.4 million this summer. If you include the expiring deals of Jamaal Magloire and Bostjan Nachbar, it adds up to nearly $13 million in savings. The Nets will need that cap space if they expect to add some free-agent talent this summer."

thats were i got it...


2008/09 Estimated NBA Salary Cap: $58 million (estimate)
Roughly: $6.3 million under cap

hmm maybe i read it wrong hahah nevermind...
its 13 mill in savings hehe well 6.3mill is still solid... add a traded RJ thats almost 18 million in cap space
BRAND!!!! its doable!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What drivel.

You've never seen him play but you hate him because he's a European (and WHITE too). Does it matter one iota that you criticize him? to anyone? You ignore the fact that four teams above #10 want him. Balls? It's not about macho. It's about money...a good lesson for you. Gallinari understands that being in the marketing and media capital of the world will result in him making more money. Balls? Pure immature silliness. Balls? It's about being SMART.

You find me a 6'10" 19 year old in this draft that could make the move...other than POSSIBLY Beasley. There is NO ONE.

Magic Johnson was no more athletic than Bird, but Magic Johnson was black and thus has to be considered more athletic.
As Harvey Araton wrote in his book, fans adore athletes and downgrade basketball players.

Don't try to fool anyone: so much of this is about race. If he's white and a European, he must be soft, can't be an athlete.</div>

Could not have said it better myself. Thanks NI! Tired of this "European=soft=bust" prejudice.
 
If an American player had done the same thing...ANY of them...this board would be declaring him a hero.

If Russell Westbrook had done it, or Joe Alexander had done it, everyone would be thrilled. But because he's EUROPEAN, he is suspect. His motives are suspect, his game is suspect, his toughness is suspect.

He is trying to manipulate the draft so he can play for the NETS...one of the top players in the draft and the top young player in Europe wants to play for the NETS. Oh, but wait, he's not one of US.

I don't give a damn if the Nets take him or not. I like him, but if it came down to him and Brook Lopez, I would take Lopez. but goddamnit, show some respect to someone who wants to play for your team. (Not to mention that so many of the kids above him are no where near his level of accomplishment...some of them have played one year in a shitty conference and are being rated on potential...)

Tiresome.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 17 2008, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>umm in this article it says:

http://nbadraft.net/2008stateofthecapnewjersey001.asp


"As I said before, New Jersey obtained some expiring contracts for Kidd which will save them about $6.4 million this summer. If you include the expiring deals of Jamaal Magloire and Bostjan Nachbar, it adds up to nearly $13 million in savings. The Nets will need that cap space if they expect to add some free-agent talent this summer."

thats were i got it...


2008/09 Estimated NBA Salary Cap: $58 million (estimate)
Roughly: $6.3 million under cap

hmm maybe i read it wrong hahah nevermind...
its 13 mill in savings hehe well 6.3mill is still solid... add a traded RJ thats almost 18 million in cap space
BRAND!!!! its doable!</div>

i see, that makes sense. I was looking at that too, but for that we'd have to move RJ for pretty much nothing, to a team far enough under the cap. Charlotte is the only one who might be willing to do that. If we could get RJ for #9, that'd be pretty awesome. But a more realistic thing I think would be RJ for Childress, Atlanta is about as far under the cap as us, so with Chillz contract, its about right. Saves us about 6M. Then move Ager and Marcus for future picks or something. we get to like 15M cap space. So unless Brand takes a first year paycut, we'd have to do something else, involving other guys. I doubt unless we involve a pick we could move Hassell to save money. If all goes according to plan, we move RJ for Chillz, Ager for a future 2nd, Marcus for a future first, 21+Hassell for nothing. Sign Brand, take Danilo at 10, use the MLE on a few different guys. We'd have to probably dump Boki, Nenad, and Diop for nothing.

Harris/Armstrong
Carter/MLE
Childress/Gallinari
Brand/Swift
Boone/Williams

awesome. and if that sounded different from nonsensical rambling to anyone else, even better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What drivel.

You've never seen him play but you hate him because he's a European (and WHITE too). Does it matter one iota that you criticize him? to anyone? You ignore the fact that four teams above #10 want him. Balls? It's not about macho. It's about money...a good lesson for you. Gallinari understands that being in the marketing and media capital of the world will result in him making more money. Balls? Pure immature silliness. Balls? It's about being SMART.

You find me a 6'10" 19 year old in this draft that could make the move...other than POSSIBLY Beasley. There is NO ONE.

Magic Johnson was no more athletic than Bird, but Magic Johnson was black and thus has to be considered more athletic.
As Harvey Araton wrote in his book, fans adore athletes and downgrade basketball players.

Don't try to fool anyone: so much of this is about race. If he's white and a European, he must be soft, can't be an athlete.</div>
There's really nothing to suggest that I formed my opinion because of race... nor that I haven't seen him play. Of course I haven't seen him play live -- but what I have seen does not suggest that he will be able to create his own shot against good defenders, which clearly limits his upside and prevents him from being a primary scorer. I don't care if big men can't make that move, because it's irrelevant. He will be a SF in the NBA and he will not be able to pull that off in this league. Against Italians, sure. Big deal.

Magic was certainly more athletic than Bird. Let's not get silly here.

Sorry to disappoint you.. it's not about race. I'm glad you think you know me so well. It's cute.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If an American player had done the same thing...ANY of them...this board would be declaring him a hero.

If Russell Westbrook had done it, or Joe Alexander had done it, everyone would be thrilled. But because he's EUROPEAN, he is suspect. His motives are suspect, his game is suspect, his toughness is suspect.

He is trying to manipulate the draft so he can play for the NETS...one of the top players in the draft and the top young player in Europe wants to play for the NETS. Oh, but wait, he's not one of US.

I don't give a damn if the Nets take him or not. I like him, but if it came down to him and Brook Lopez, I would take Lopez. but goddamnit, show some respect to someone who wants to play for your team. (Not to mention that so many of the kids above him are no where near his level of accomplishment...some of them have played one year in a shitty conference and are being rated on potential...)

Tiresome.</div>
Again, we're a pathetic franchise but I'm not going to bend over backwards just because some likes us. Even ugly girls should have standards.

If Westbrook or Alexander would have done it, it wouldn't look the same, because they have plus athleticism -- which he doesn't.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jun 17 2008, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What drivel.

You've never seen him play but you hate him because he's a European (and WHITE too). Does it matter one iota that you criticize him? to anyone? You ignore the fact that four teams above #10 want him. Balls? It's not about macho. It's about money...a good lesson for you. Gallinari understands that being in the marketing and media capital of the world will result in him making more money. Balls? Pure immature silliness. Balls? It's about being SMART.

You find me a 6'10" 19 year old in this draft that could make the move...other than POSSIBLY Beasley. There is NO ONE.

Magic Johnson was no more athletic than Bird, but Magic Johnson was black and thus has to be considered more athletic.
As Harvey Araton wrote in his book, fans adore athletes and downgrade basketball players.

Don't try to fool anyone: so much of this is about race. If he's white and a European, he must be soft, can't be an athlete.</div>

Could not have said it better myself. Thanks NI! Tired of this "European=soft=bust" prejudice.
</div>Yeah, I just imagined the high dribble, the lack of lateral quickness, and the low vertical.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 17 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>umm in this article it says:

http://nbadraft.net/2008stateofthecapnewjersey001.asp


"As I said before, New Jersey obtained some expiring contracts for Kidd which will save them about $6.4 million this summer. If you include the expiring deals of Jamaal Magloire and Bostjan Nachbar, it adds up to nearly $13 million in savings. The Nets will need that cap space if they expect to add some free-agent talent this summer."

thats were i got it...


2008/09 Estimated NBA Salary Cap: $58 million (estimate)
Roughly: $6.3 million under cap

hmm maybe i read it wrong hahah nevermind...
its 13 mill in savings hehe well 6.3mill is still solid... add a traded RJ thats almost 18 million in cap space
BRAND!!!! its doable!</div>

It is crap. The numbers are based off of hoopshype which never includes cap holds and draft picks. The author has made the same mistakes before and has received emails about it, but doesn't correct them or update his limited understanding of the salary cap rules.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>3. Go back to that video and watch the move he makes at about 1:00 in. It's frightening. The ball seems to find the basket when it's in his hands. The problem, I guess, is that he's not (that) athletic. Nor was Larry Bird or Magic Johnson for that matter. They were basketball players, not great athletes.</div>
He would never get away with that move in the NBA. Pathetic horrible defense. Do they have any idea what defense is in Italy?

And I don't care where he's from or whether he's white, green, yellow or purple. He could be good, I don't know enough, but that clip tells us nothing because it's very weak competition.
 
so whats our exact financial situation? cap wise and money available... id like to know cuz knowing is half the battle

G I JOE


well S & T brand and clips 2nd rounder
for jefferson, marcus, S & T krstic and our 21st pick
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 17 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so whats our exact financial situation? cap wise and money available... id like to know cuz knowing is half the battle

G I JOE


well S & T brand and clips 2nd rounder
for jefferson, marcus, S & T krstic and our 21st pick
</div>
Better off financially than last season. Not under the salary cap, but have extra breathing room below luxury tax now. Could actually carry Brand, Jefferson and Carter because Harris makes a little more than Collins use to and Brand wouldn't start out making as much as Kidd was making. But that would require Brand forcing the Clips hand in a S&T for expirings (Swift, KVH) and young guys and picks.
 
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