Kirk Hinrich

[Blazer4life]

Watching the Bulls/Heat game on TNT right now and I am convinced that Hinrich is the kind of point guard we need on our team. Is he the best PG in the league, far from it, but we dont need the best player in the league on our team at every position. Look at the Lakers. How many PG's in the league are better then Fisher? Hinrich is a very smart player, makes good passes into the post and plays lock down defense on the perimeter. If we traded for Hinrich our perimeter defense would improve significantly almost immeadiately and it would keep guys like Oden from getting into foul trouble as the guards man would be getting less penetration. Bayless could learn a lot from a guy like Hinrich and take over the reigns in a couple of years. Obviously I would love to try and get Deng as well, (maybe a 3 way with Phoenix sending Chicago Stoudamire, us getting Hinrich and Deng and Phoenix getting Raef, Outlaw ect) but if that didnt happen I wouldnt be opposed to trading Raef straight up for Hinrich.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Watching the Bulls/Heat game on TNT right now and I am convinced that Hinrich is the kind of point guard we need on our team. Is he the best PG in the league, far from it, but we dont need the best player in the league on our team at every position. Look at the Lakers. How many PG's in the league are better then Fisher? Hinrich is a very smart player, makes good passes into the post and plays lock down defense on the perimeter. If we traded for Hinrich our perimeter defense would improve significantly almost immeadiately and it would keep guys like Oden from getting into foul trouble as the guards man would be getting less penetration. Bayless could learn a lot from a guy like Hinrich and take over the reigns in a couple of years. Obviously I would love to try and get Deng as well, (maybe a 3 way with Phoenix sending Chicago Stoudamire, us getting Hinrich and Deng and Phoenix getting Raef, Outlaw ect) but if that didnt happen I wouldnt be opposed to trading Raef straight up for Hinrich.

I'd be down with it, but Paxson is somewhat notoriously reluctant to trade his guys ... even an overpaid backup like Hinrich.

The question arises, who would the Bulls want, and how do you get the salaries to match?

Deng I see as being probably close to untouchable, his play has vastly improved since he came back from injury.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Watching the Bulls/Heat game on TNT right now and I am convinced that Hinrich is the kind of point guard we need on our team. Is he the best PG in the league, far from it, but we dont need the best player in the league on our team at every position. Look at the Lakers. How many PG's in the league are better then Fisher? Hinrich is a very smart player, makes good passes into the post and plays lock down defense on the perimeter. If we traded for Hinrich our perimeter defense would improve significantly almost immeadiately and it would keep guys like Oden from getting into foul trouble as the guards man would be getting less penetration. Bayless could learn a lot from a guy like Hinrich and take over the reigns in a couple of years. Obviously I would love to try and get Deng as well, (maybe a 3 way with Phoenix sending Chicago Stoudamire, us getting Hinrich and Deng and Phoenix getting Raef, Outlaw ect) but if that didnt happen I wouldnt be opposed to trading Raef straight up for Hinrich.

I agree watching the game too. Seems like the perfect fit next to Roy.

 

[Blazer4life]

I'd be down with it, but Paxson is somewhat notoriously reluctant to trade his guys ... even an overpaid backup like Hinrich.

The question arises, who would the Bulls want, and how do you get the salaries to match?

Deng I see as being probably close to untouchable, his play has vastly improved since he came back from injury.

Hinrich and Simmons for Raef works. The other thing that I like about Hinrich is that he has a contract that pays him less each year. That is a rarity in todays NBA.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

If are committed to Bayless as our PG of the future I'd much rather go for Andre Miller.

Kirk just isn't the same player he once was. I really don't understand it, either. He was once one of the best young PG's in the game and now he's no better than Steve Blake. It would be a lateral move. It'd improve our bench. But not an upgrade in the starting unit.

 

[ironcrotch]

I think somehow Amare is shipped to the Bulls and we sneak in there with RLEC and squeek away with Hinrich in a 3 way deal.

 

[theprunetang]

The idea of trading for Kirk makes puke rise in the back of my throat just a little bit.
If we traded something very small for him and didn't lose a big asset, then I would be ok with it. But, just because he is available doesn't mean we have to get him. Raef's contract is just about the most desireable contract in the league right now. And waste that away for a guy who has shot .414 from the field for his career?

 

[Blazer4life]

I agree watching the game too. Seems like the perfect fit next to Roy.

Hinrich's defense is amazing. You NEVER see him lose his man on a back door play. He also fights through the picks. That alone would stop many uncontested shots or easy baskets from occuring. I also agree with you, Hinrich would pair well with Roy. He works great with, or with out the ball in his hands thus deferring to Roy who likes to control the flow of the game. I think this is the kinda PG we should be trying to get because Paul, Parker, Harris, Williams, Rose ect is not gonna happen.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

The idea of trading for Kirk makes puke rise in the back of my throat just a little bit.
If we traded something very small for him and didn't lose a big asset, then I would be ok with it. But, just because he is available doesn't mean we have to get him. Raef's contract is just about the most desireable contract in the league right now. And waste that away for a guy who has shot .414 from the field for his career?

Not sure how much you've watched Hinrich. Excellent defender, decent shooter, high BBIQ, and good leader. I'm not sure I like trading Raefs contract for Hinrich alone but as it was said in here earlier he would make a huge difference with our perimeter defense. That would help protect Oden from foul trouble and provide some much needed experience.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think somehow Amare is shipped to the Bulls and we sneak in there with RLEC and squeek away with Hinrich in a 3 way deal.

Yeah I whipped up something like that in the trade checker and it's possible to make it all shake out, but there are an awful lot of ifs from Chicago's end, mainly because I had Deng and Hinrich coming to us, and Thomas headed to Phoenix, but Chicago gets Amar'e which make their frontcourt much improved and give Rose somebody to run the pick and roll with to (probably) devastating effect.

 

[Blazer4life]

If are committed to Bayless as our PG of the future I'd much rather go for Andre Miller.

Kirk just isn't the same player he once was. I really don't understand it, either. He was once one of the best young PG's in the game and now he's no better than Steve Blake. It would be a lateral move. It'd improve our bench. But not an upgrade in the starting unit.

Fez, i respectfully disagree it being a lateral move. Sure, Hinrich doesn't shoot as well as he used to but I am sure that would improve some being around guys that draw double teams leaving him wide open. Your not making this trade for his offense, you make it for defense which he would easily be our best perimeter and on the ball defender. Also he knows how to get the ball into the post, something Blake doesnt seem to do so well.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

isn't he from Kansas? hmmmmm

 

[Blazer4life]

Wow. this trade works and I think it works out for everyone involved.

 

[Blazer4life]

Oops forgot the link. Obviously Portland can trade a couple of their 2nd round picks.


http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

 

[theprunetang]

Not sure how much you've watched Hinrich. Excellent defender, decent shooter, high BBIQ, and good leader. I'm not sure I like trading Raefs contract for Hinrich alone but as it was said in here earlier he would make a huge difference with our perimeter defense. That would help protect Oden from foul trouble and provide some much needed experience.

I understand the defensive aspect. He would indeed be an upgrade. But, I am still holding out for a player that would fit better - someone who can defend and shoot the heck out of the ball. I understand that Kirk is probably available, but we shouldn't trade for him just because he seems to be the most available point out there. I think if we are patient enough we can find someone who shoots better. That may even mean holding on to Raef's contract and getting someone during the offseason. I don't mind being patient to make things right.

Now, do I have some "perfect player" in mind? Not really. I just comment on the things I see and just really wouldn't want to waste a ton of assets on Kirk.

 

[Blazer4life]

Apparently the link doesnt work but here it is:

Chicago trades:
Thomas
Deng
Hinrich

Receives
Stoudamire
Outlaw

Phoenix trades
Stoudamire

Receives
Raef
Thomas
draft picks (2 of Portlands 2nd rounders)

Portland trades
Raef
Outlaw

Receives
Hinrich
Deng

 

[Blazer4life]

isn't he from Kansas? hmmmmm

funny thing is Hinrich, Raef and Pritchard are all Kansa alums.

 

[Minstrel]

Here's the trade I could go for:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=atub6u

It's a variation of ones posted before, but it includes Batum to make it slightly more palatable for Phoenix.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't know how people can think that Hinrich is a lateral move from Blake. He's a quality player. He's not a star, but we don't need a star, especially with Bayless in the wings.

 

[Minstrel]

Yeah, Hinrich is a better distributor than Blake and a far better defender. That would help the team a lot.

I don't know how much I'd give up for just Hinrich, but if Portland swapped out Blake for Hinrich, I think the team would be significantly better.

 

[bigbailes]

anyone notice who is drawing wade tonight? and he's 9-23

 

[MickZagger]

The idea of trading for Kirk makes puke rise in the back of my throat just a little bit.
If we traded something very small for him and didn't lose a big asset, then I would be ok with it. But, just because he is available doesn't mean we have to get him. Raef's contract is just about the most desireable contract in the league right now. And waste that away for a guy who has shot .414 from the field for his career?

Why are you so wound up in that stat?

Chauncey Billups is a career .416 from the field.

Baron Davis is a career .410 from the field.

He's about as good as it gets defensively at the point guard spot. He'd be a very nice fit at the point guard spot.

 

[MickZagger]

As I'm sitting here I watch Hinrich come up with a huge steal on Wade to get possession with 3 seconds to go in regulation.

 

[ironcrotch]

As I'm sitting here I watch Hinrich come up with a huge steal on Wade to get possession with 3 seconds to go in regulation.

yeap.. he had Wade on lock down.

Hinrich as our perimeter defender would help out G.O. a TON.

 

[Blazer4life]

As I'm sitting here I watch Hinrich come up with a huge steal on Wade to get possession with 3 seconds to go in regulation.

Yup, just saw that as well. Hinrich is the kinda move that while not flashy makes our team significantly better IMO.

 

[TehChad]

Hinrich is hardly a "lock down" defender, let alone "amazing", lol...Solid? Yes. But let's not get carried away. And his defense has actually worsened over time. He's also pretty soft and yet another jump shooter with no penetration skills...exactly what we don't need.

 

[Tortimer]

I think Hinrich is a upgrade over Blake but probably not worth his contract. I also think by next year Bayless would be better and our starting PG. I'm not against trading for Hinrich but wouldn't want to give up anything more then LaFrenz and Sergio.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The simplest trade that works is:

Portland sends out RLEC
Portland gets Hinrich

Phoenix sends out Amare
Phoenix gets Tyrus Thomas and RLEC

Chicago sends out Thomas and Hinrich
Chicago gets Amare

Phoenix can probably do better: supposedly they've been offered Marion (back) and Beasley. Is Thomas better than Beasley? Some people might actually think so - both are exasperating - but Beasley is probably valued more around the league. RLEC is a bigger savings though. Portland could throw in the supposedly discussed rights to Freeland and take back the mistake of Goran Dragic...

I've suggested several previous three ways that get us Deng (the best one here) but I'm starting to agree that they're unlikely to give up on Deng if they're getting Amare.

 

[Денг Гордон]

The simplest trade that works is:

Portland sends out RLEC
Portland gets Hinrich

Phoenix sends out Amare
Phoenix gets Tyrus Thomas and RLEC

Chicago sends out Thomas and Hinrich
Chicago gets Amare

Phoenix can probably do better: supposedly they've been offered Marion (back) and Beasley. Is Thomas better than Beasley? Some people might actually think so - both are exasperating - but Beasley is probably valued more around the league. RLEC is a bigger savings though. Portland could throw in the supposedly discussed rights to Freeland and take back the mistake of Goran Dragic...

I've suggested several previous three ways that get us Deng (the best one here) but I'm starting to agree that they're unlikely to give up on Deng if they're getting Amare.

I'd love this trade from the Bulls stand point, as we'd still have Gooden and Simmons' expiring contracts to go after Chris Kaman or Tyson Chandler.

 

[Blazer4life]

Hinrich is hardly a "lock down" defender, let alone "amazing", lol...Solid? Yes. But let's not get carried away. And his defense has actually worsened over time. He's also pretty soft and yet another jump shooter with no penetration skills...exactly what we don't need.

Well Hinrich held the 3rd best player in the league to 9-23 shooting and stole the ball from him with 3 seconds to go. Even if he is not like he was, I'd still take that on my team.